News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


You're boring and uneducated, Watzenrode did not work with the Teutonic Knights because they wanted to control his fief and thats all there is to it, he was only an ally of Poland by association.


Riiiight, Kopernik never signed any book other then Copernicus which has nothing to do with German, his German editors did sign it in German but that amounts to the same as his uncle enrolling him in a German student corporation which was not even indicative of the nationality since you had Italians, Spaniards and even Poles in it.

There was a Polish corporation and you had Germans Ruthuenians, Poles and Norse in it so?


Seeing that your arguments are that his mother was German and his uncle enrolled him in a German student organisation is even less.

You realise most European countries teach him to be Polish, are they all wrong too?


At least of mixed heritage or Polish :) Of course he's of mixed ethnic heritage but he chose his own citizenship, you want to ask him why did he choose to fight Germans for the Poles?:)

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


At the time the dynamic between Poland and Germany was completely different, Poland was an extremely rich country and for example studying in Jagiellonian university was recognized in all of Europe on par with Bologna and other great academic centres, English kings admited engineers just on principle of studying there.

Also Media while Germans did have episodes of chauvinist behaviour even then the relations were much better, especially in Gdańsk which can be considered a Polish-German city.


French high school history books say he was Polish, so do Russian primary school ones, British ones in the 80s said he was Polish (not sure if they changed it to mixed descent, we live in an era of political correctness) , American historiographers refer to him as Polish, apart from your chauvinist crap and German history books which i read and some of the "facts" like Poznań being a historical German city made me laugh no one except an odd few encyclopedias refer to him as German.

Its always either Polish or mixed descent and with good historical basis for it.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Given that you financed much of the program you got to pick the name but that wont work for most of the history books, they're already written.


Kopernik was part German, he was definitely more Polish and felt Polish given that he chose his allegiance to Poland but his mother was undeniably German.


Ever heard of "Lizard Confederation"? Germans in the area were fed up with the Teutonic Order (though admittedly not all).

On one side you have medieval nazis who squeeze you out of money and healthy kids for their military, on the other you have a rich benevolent and powerfull kingdom of Poland who's kicking the Teutonic Knights all over the place, who's side are you going to choose?


Quite a few yes, though calling them Germans is a bit confusing, much of Watzenrode family and German speaking citizens of Teutonic Order were germanised Prussians many of whom at the time didnt really feel German.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


He kicked a lot of German arse in the service of Polish king, he was a commander of a large Polish contingent that helped defend his city and one of chief Polish specialists on the field of combat engineering.

Oh and the astronomy stuff too :))

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

I'm not but having raving idiots defend our position like that actullay damages it (Kaczyński syndrome) ethnically Kopernik was half German half Polish, he was however a faithfull citizen of Poland, he studied in Polish and Italian universities and not in a German one, he also never signed himself in German and never served a German political authority while choosing to serve a Polish king and further Polish interests on the field of battle and diplomacy so its obvious we have a much better claim on him then Germans and most encyclopedias and historians recognize it but saying he was 100% Polish or that Germans never went to Italy is utter rubbish.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Kopernik never had a German name, ever. He never signed a single document with his name in German in his life, he always used Copernicus which is in latin.

Copernicus is a latinised version, not a German name, many popular German media intentionaly omit the fact to impress their assumption that he was German because to the average Joe Coppernicus sounds kinda German, except its not.

There's many assumptions (usually biased) by German scholars, or forwarding how German editors signed his book as proof but Kopernik in person never signed a document other then in Latin.


No its not, its 50% Polish since only his father was Polish but Kopernik himself during his life chose his citizenship and allegiance, he chose to side with Poles and fight against Germans there's nothing more telling then that.


No, Germans lived in caves and sacrificed babies to evil dark gods, it would help your position if you werent so bloody ignorant you know.


Watznerode like Kopernik chose allegiance to Polish king but unlike Kopernik he was a full German ethnically speaking, lets not be biased.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Help Poland? No one. Allied countries helped shelter Polish citizens but even that was often grudgingly but Poland was throught the course of the war completely alone.

There were countries symphatetic like Hungary or Italy, those helped Polish citizens on the run out of pure good will but as far as Russia and Western Allies Poland was being sold like a monopoly token.

Love / Insultive opinions about Polish girls... [139]


I consider myself an intelligent guy but i still can't bloody decipher what you just said.


On a more serious note Gaa when i was in England, whenever there was a white girl with some muslim or black trash with baggy trousers, enough bling to sink a small ship and a vocabulary to match, it was almost always a Polish girl.

Somehow Polish girls were willing to date the worst mongrel buggers that no British girl was apparently willing to touch.

Love / Insultive opinions about Polish girls... [139]


Yes you are, all Polish girls are gold diggers by default, especially you.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


Raytheon yes (though under different name i think) Lockheed not, it was started in the 90s.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


We were not a sovereign nation, Poland refusing Russia equaled getting invaded thats for one, Marshall plan was not a great benevolence of US, it was simply helping your then major trading partner, there was no China to trade with, Russia was not enough, US was simply helping themselves by helping a major trade partner recover.


I know how many states USA has, what countries it borders with and when was your constitution established, can you without looking at wikipedia tell me on what planet Slovakia is?


Hell no, Napeleons France was the sole superpower on the continent, so was colonial England, there were other powers just like today but there were superpowers before you, not to mention Rome.

Both Poland and Germany were only regional powers but thats because of the fact they're not on the shores of any ocean and had MUCH greater odds stacked against them then US ever had and still managed to hold on much longer.


What opinion? You're going broke, your economy is driving on fumes and every economist can tell you that, there's a bazilion articles which you can read by your own specialists and there's enough signs on the home market with the housing situation, USA that you're masturbating over so much is ending, quickly and permanently and it has nothing to do with me being European and everything with your marvelous America raping itself in the arse for the past 30 years.


I'm ill at home and bored, not bored enough to talk to Harry but you'll do.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


Scrappleton when i was in US visiting family i did not go telling everyone he's stupid, even though most of Americans are horribly terribly dumb by European standards, you dont go to someone home and slap them with your cock expecting them to treat you well.


You didnt give Poland anything, not a single penny, not even once in your history so no you didnt give us "things".

As for lend lease, it was being repaid by the West.


As far as i can tell the main thing that keeps Russians out of Europe is the horrible their military and economy is in, both have little to do with America and everything to do with communism.


With what army?


Its not, you're a power for 50 years and already collapsing, Poland was a power for 250 years, Germany was a power for over 100 years, England for nearly 400.

There's plenty of countries, some of them you lack education to know about that were a regional or global power centuries longer then US and faced much greater odds then America, you're not the first, not the last and definitely not the greatest.


Oddly enough no, speaking for Poles, our military shot SS, Gestapo and collaborators on the spot, there were relatively rare cases where Poles lynched Germans but in the end all Germans experienced from Poles was harsh treatment during relocation, they were allowed to take what they could carry and gtfo but no one was starving killring or torturing them and German soldiers taken prisoner were treated well (Wehrmacht) cant speak for the Czechs, as for the Russians, they're Russians.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]

I dont hate i just believe in eye for an eye rather then turning your cheek, if it was up to me and sadly it was not any and every German directly or indirectly into all things Nazi related would have been marched off to the edge of a mass grave and shot the moment the war was over, we would not get Erica Steinbach and her merry nazi bunch among other things presently.


You know Scrappleton, you could make yourself unwelcome in a paradise, you act like an absolute idiot whenever you post, if one is to assume you're equally retarded in real life its no wonder people treat you like sh*t.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


They knew allright, they didnt know the specifics but they had the general idea, in my opinion directly after WW2 every member of German military and political structures, male or female above 16 years old should have been executed, every civilian above 16 sterilised and the survivors made into a landlocked farming country, German people should have paid with their lives for what they did, they got off much too easy and now its too late since the fvckers grew old and mostly died, one of them got to be the pope even.


Actually they're quite a bit threatened by us, personally i think thats why books like "the next 100 years" spring up, they reflect how afraid US is of EU emerging into some effective structure.

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


History is under the same impression, there was little collateral damage since Falklands are inhabited mainly by sheep and grass:)


If you're referring to WW2 the most destructive bombings of France were done by USAF not by RAF :)))


I daresay killing German civilians during WW2 was justified given that they supported concentration camps and all that.


No, French gave you a fleet which you didnt have, they gave you artillery which you didnt have, Spanish and French armies contributed between them over 21.000 regular soldiers when US army numbered 27.000, without French and Spanish there wouldnt even be a war :)))

News / RHD cars in Poland - my campaign to change the rules in Poland [128]

Disabled people suck, as a Polish citizen i say no to cars for disabled people. No seriously i feel sympathetic to your plight Charlie and i would help you out but that'd require minimal effort so... y'know.


Ahahahah oh man, a Brit vs Polish bearaucracy, i'd pay to see that, and yes its possible not easy or safe but possible.

Love / Polish girlfriend going back to Poland if I dont buy engagment ring [85]


Pretty much, though its not always "marry me or i leave" but in one form or the other.


And then you would board your green rocket and fly to Mars to fight the toad people for the mushroom treasure.

Love / Polish girlfriend going back to Poland if I dont buy engagment ring [85]


No thats normal behaviour for most women, if they see the relationship is not going anywhere they move it themselves, why would she quietly wait untill he does it? She probably hinted him before but he was to thick to notice.


Sure you would.

Love / Polish girlfriend going back to Poland if I dont buy engagment ring [85]


Thats absolutely normal and not really a problem if you love her, just buy her the goddamn ring and be done with it, i've been engaged for a year and we havent even begun to consider when to marry, this ring is like an insurance policy to them.


Buy her a sixpack of beer.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Really? Its a relief that his father spoke to him in Polish then:)

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


What German heritage? We dont even know if he spoke German, we know he spoke Latin and chose it over German language, does it make him *gasp* a Roman?! :)


No of course there's no definitely proof but Germans were not named Mikołaj, there's a possibility that he was Bohemian but if thats the case he was a polonized one, he definitely was not a German, and if he was he preferred to have a Polish name which makes him an odd one.


Which at a time had much more to do with Bohemia and Poland, it stopped being Polish just a few decades before and was if i remember correctly under the Crown of Bohemia, though still inhabited largely by Poles, later in the 14th century it would go to Hungary.

Sorry but using German names of what back then was a rather non-German region is not helping your case :)

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


The problem BB is that at the time we discuss there was no nationality or citizenship, these things were understood by people who lived then as being subjected to a faction or a ruler, Kopernik chose his citizenship, nationality and all the other things you can speak of in modern terms by choosing to serve the Polish king.

No one made him, Teutonic Knights would have him, he was a world class specialist in siege and defence engineering that anyone in Europe would pay a fortune to have yet the Polish king did not pay him a fortune and he still chose to side with him.


His fathers name was not latinized (he was a commoner) and was Mikołaj, it still exists in the archidiecesial library in Kraków.


Except then he turned against Romans and slaughtered over 20.000 of them in the Teutoburg forest, Kopernik remained a loyal subject of Polish crown to his death actively furthering Polish interests and contributing to the massacre of German troops storming strongholds outside Olstyn/Allenstein, thats a pretty big difference isnt it?


Armin, today you would know him as Herman.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Mainly because there was no nation as you understand it today, even signing Kopernik in as German by a German member of his family does not carry any weight in the light of the time.

Also yes there was an option of Polish, Poland at a time was one of the more recognizable powers and people did sign in as member of the Polish nation both in Kraków and Italy, the point with Kopernik is that his uncle sponsored it and it was his call, not Kopernik'


Not bad, i sincerely doubt the guy had any ulterior motives (if you marry a Polish woman how will you sign in your kid?) but he was not speaking for Kopernik, at Jagiellonic University he did not sign as a member of any nationality which is a good indicator of what he thought.

If you want to discuss Kopernik you need to look at his allegiances and choices rather then what his uncle did and his choices were pretty obvious, fight against the Germans for the Polish king, your argument was that this was an internal German fuss but Kopernik was a commander of the forces of a faction that wanted to join Poland not to mention Allenstein or Olstyn had at a time at least half the citizens as ethnic Poles.


Dont you love how they ignore the Polish father? A reliable source!

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Nope, he was enrolled in the university of Bologna by his Uncle as a member of German nation, there is no proof whatsoever that Kopernik thought of himself as German, he never wrote a single word in German, not one, every written word we have left is from him is in Latin except for letters to few German friends and associates who were not fluent in Latin, this alone speaks volumes if the guy uses his supposedly German language only if he has to.

As to why Kopernik didnt write in Polish? Because no one wrote in Polish (or few) the Polish language of science and literature at a time was Latin, add to this that the guy was fighting for the Polish king, commanding among other Polish forces in defence of Olsztyn (then Olstyn, before that Allenstein) and we get a pretty good idea of who Kopernik was.

He was half German ethnically of that there is no question but even during his life he chose his allegiance not to mention his father was Polish.


He was running several estates overseen by Poles and commanded troops from Mazovia where Latin was not popular so yeah given that he studied on a Polish univeristy and interacted with other Poles on a level that required fluent Polish its a pretty safe bet that he did.

Now whether he wrote in Polish its another matter, he did write to several oversees, commoners who wouldnt speak Latin or German but since those letters are not preserved the topic is open.

Mind you if you told Kopernik he was German or Polish he'd probably look at you in a funny way and tell you "i'm a subject of the Polish king" thats how it worked back there.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

I dont think Kopernik heard of being German himself, he might be quite suprised if he found out :)


The problem with the guy is that he never wrote a word in German and while its assumed he wrote in Polish (given that he wrote letters to people who didnt speak German or Latin) there's no evidence of it too.

His name is latinized and has nothing to do with German, there's two things that are undeniable, his mother was German and he was a very loyal subject of Poland :)

News / I suggest a new location on the map for Poland! [44]


You just dont get what it means to be Polish.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


Thats just Scottish denial, you try to look whiter to conceal that you're really black.


Thats because as a recent addition to the black race you can just like that yet.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


From the day you betrayed Mel Gibson, God declared you and all Scottish black for all eternity.


They can jump higher then you do, also they can peel bananas better.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

White people are better then everyone else and Polish people are the whitest.

News / WHY DOES POLAND BUY GAS FROM RUSSIA? [105]


With a collapsing economy? What guarantee they have US is not going to nationalize their purchases after they get the gold? Thats a high risk operation the Chinese would be getting into.