UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Actually, recent research has more or less proven that this was not the case and that it's a myth, come into existence after the war.


Another myth. Jews fought bravely alongside Germans during WW1. What you're referring to is part of the "back-stabbing" legend. German Jews suffered as much as non-Jewish Germans did and the Jewish bankers contributed highly to the German war efford. There was simply no money left in the country. And besides, Germany's offer for a truce was instigated by the so-manieth manic-depressive paranoid attack of Erich Ludendorff, together with Paul von Hindenburg, the two leaders of Germany. To avoid being killed or proscecuted for that, Ludendorff created the legend that Germany was stabbed in the back by politicians, the same freaking politicians whom he himself had commanded to make peace with the Allies.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]


No. It's not quite clear where his hatred for Jews came from, but the most plausible 2 reasons are: 1) the speeches of the then-mayor of Vienna (forgot his name, will look that up) from whom he learned how to do speeches as well; and 2) he had a Jewish landlord who somehow f*cked him over once. And it was Hitler's psyche alike to never forget and never forgive that. He didn't study them, he didn't have the means to it. He probably swore back then that he hated ALL the Jews (he had by then already a history of seeing everything black and white) and so he did. Just like the only time he had become drunk: he swore he would never drink again. And he never drank again. Ppl make the mistake often to think that such a deep hatred by Hitler must've come from a deeper study or a series of events, but with Hitler one minor thing was enough to cause a lifelong hatred. And at the basis was he insecure, deep and hardly matched (only by serial killers and psychopaths - in fact Hitler was proof what happens when a psychopatic serial killer comes to power). The thing with psychopaths is that they cannot empathise, not at all. They don't care about other ppl's feelings and are extremely self-centred. Once wronged, they will never forget it and will revenge over and over again, never contemplating the hurt this may cause with others. His hatred, that's for sure, must have come into existence during his stay in Vienna, as before that he even had a Jewish friend and the doctor who treated his mother was also a Jew. And it shows nowhere that he hated the Jews back then. So the above given two reasons seem most feasible as for Hitler's anti-semitism.


Darius! Shame on you. You know very well that the Nazis just needed a scapegoat to blame all the mishaps of Germany on. If blacks were having the same role as the Jews in Germany, it would've been the blacks.

>^..^<

M-G (bah)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

derek trotter

You got a good point there. I wonder if it could also be that it's so much easier to visit relatives in the Motherland as they only have to jump into their car, drive about 800 to 1000 km and then are there?

Edit: thanks for the nice classifacation "Tulip Country" - like that :) And I've heard that Polish girls seem to have taken a liking for Dutch boys as they are tall and so on. Did you know that the Dutch news already has a Polish female newsreader? Granted, she's been in NL for over a decade, but I don't see that happen in Ireland or the UK shortly.

>^..^<

M-G (just one or two highways anyway)

UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]


Gee, these countries get more and more backward. Sorry to say that.


It works the other way around too, you know. If you don't know anything about another culture (what did the Nazis know about Jewish culture? Or better: what did Hitler know about Jewish culture? Virtually nothing as a matter of fact) and you come into their world and you see stuff that you like (food, certain habits for example), then a better understanding can take place. Maybe one even wants to do those things at home. But strange fact is that with racism the bravest words often come from the safest places. Racism is often more rabiate in small villages with hardly or no newcomers at all than in the big cities.


No, because they don't have to. Straight ppl don't get proscecuted for being straight.

>^..^<

M-G (hates racism)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

southern

I actually meant ppl who live and work in NL. There is a bit more to NL than just sex and drugs (and sometimes rock and roll). Although ppl will soon find out as the Red Light district in A'dam is scheduled to be closed down in 3 years from now and they also plan to shut down most (if not all) of the coffeeshops in the city.

About Greek men: the first recorded homosexuals in history were Greek men, did you know that?

We are liberal and tolerant, you got that right.

>^..^<

M-G (NL and PL is just one letter difference)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

gumishu

I never claimed that I understood Hungarian :)
But indeed, I don't believe you, so I will translate :)

"Dus niettegenstaande, dat het herstructureringsplan van de gemeente Tietjerksteradeel scrabreus afgewezen was, en er weinig hoopgevende signalen waren van dat het ooit zou lukken om het één en ander er door te krijgen, gaven de heren van het herstructureringsplan bureau niet op. Integendeel, ze werkten vlijtig aan nieuwe ideeën, die ter meerdere glorie en zelfgenoegzaamheid der wonderschone gemeente bij zouden gaan dragen."

"So, despite the fact that the rezoning plan of the municipality of Tietjerksteradeel shockingly was dismissed and there was little hope (lit.: there were not many signals of hope) to push things through, the gentlemen of the rezoning office didn't give up. On the contrary, dilligently they worked on new ideas that would contribute to the glory and the complacency of the marvellous beauty of the municipality."

Zelfgenoegzaamheid = arrogance, complacence, complacency, etc

The trick with Dutch that some words in certain sentences are being "broken up": the example you mention, "opgaven" which should be "opgeven" is in this sentence broken up (in the past tense = opgaven): "gaven de heren niet op" Compare: Wij geven niet op, wij gaven niet op, and: zullen we opgeven? (transl: we don't give up, we didn't give up and shall we give up?)

The other one in this sentense is: Bijdragen (contribute). "Bij zouden gaan dragen" (would contribute).

You were close, but I'd recommend you follow a few extra classes before you go find yourself a job as Dutch teacher :D

>^..^<

M-G (hope this helped a bit)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

gumishu

Ok. See if you can read this:

"Dus niettegenstaande, dat het herstructureringsplan van de gemeente Tietjerksteradeel scrabreus afgewezen was, en er weinig hoopgevende signalen waren van dat het ooit zou lukken om het één en ander er door te krijgen, gaven de heren van het herstructureringsplan bureau niet op. Integendeel, ze werkten vlijtig aan nieuwe ideeën, die ter meerdere glorie en zelfgenoegzaamheid der wonderschone gemeente bij zouden gaan dragen."

Good luck :)

>^..^<

M-G (tsk!)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

They should indeed :) I will let them feel the full wrath of my feline power >^..^< Ha!

:))

M-G (feline friend)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

That's the point. There are supposed to be around 100.000, but where are they? I saw perhaps a handful in my parent's village, but ok, that is a small village. But they are supposed to be there...KvK registrations suggest that tens of thousands have started their own one-man company in NL. So I just wanna hear from them :) So I can tell them to get the *peep* out like RN does with the Poles in Ireland :))))) (just kidding)

M-G (come out come out, wherever you are)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

polomintz

If you are a hot redheaded Scottish woman, you are most welcome to prove that I am wrong :))))

M-G (always open for other opinions)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

SeanBM

The Netherlands opened their borders to Polish workers a few years ago, I think it was on the 1st of January 2006, but I'm not sure about the date. So they are welcome to work there as far as I know.

Polson

IJ sounds like the English I, or indeed ai, yes.
SCH is to be pronounced as a combination of an S and a hard G (the dreaded hard G in Dutch) - a bit like "ch" in Polish...as in Kocham, or the way they say "Hallo" when picking up the phone. School would be pronounced as "Sgol" (the "o" being pronounced as a long O as in the English "cold". CH is ALWAYS pronounced as a hard G. Try: Acht (8), Schijn (fake) or Schuin (skewed) Echt (real or really) UI (onion), Keuken (kitchen), Uit (out).

These are not even the hardest combinations :) Try: EU (a bit like the U in "Highbury"; UI (actually, I can't think of an equivalent sound in English - try the Polish word for Lion, Lew, it comes close)

If you want more, just let me know :)

M-G (always glad to help)

Polonia / What About The Poles In The Netherlands? [102]

Dutch generally is perceived as a very difficult language to learn, much more difficult than German. Maybe not grammar-wise as we use the latin grammar (and like German, we used to have endings, only we had 6 cases instead of 4 in German). To outsiders it may seem that they are the same language, hence it shouldn't be too hard to learn once you know German, the reality is that all the different pronounciations and the fact that one word can have up to 6 (!) different meanings, depending on the context, makes it one of the hardes languages for foreigners to learn. But as with anything, once you really make an effort, you will be able to learn it. This however leads sometimes to foreigners making very funny errors when they are speaking or writing Dutch.

M-G (some Dutch can't even speak or write Dutch properly)

UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Racism. That's a good one. First of all, I think that the Poles are not clean on this one themselves. Some Polish ppl I know are completely serious when they are giving out to the black ppl and the Indian ppl and in the same sentence complain about how an Irish person has something regarding them being Polish.

So I think it's everywhere. Generally speaking it's performed by the so-called "lesser spirits" that don't look any further than their own world and rather take a group as a whole than individual per individual. It just is easier for them to blame a certain group if one person of that group does something bad. Sometimes it's not even necessary to have one individual doing something wrong. For me personally, I always take person per person. If somebody is an *sshole, he or she is an *sshole to me; it doesn't matter whether that person is black, white, yellow, green or purple.

I think "racism" is most of the time not even racism at all. It's the unknown, unfamiliarity with a group of newcomers that is kinda scary to some ppl. And instead of approaching that what you're scared of to find out if it is indeed scary, a lot of ppl prefer to start "barking" at them. It's a primitive reaction: like when you meet a wild bear in the woods, you start screaming and shouting and make lots of noise in order for the animal to go away. Well, ok, I wouldn't approach a wild bear in the woods openly, but I guess it's clear what I'm trying to say. For some ppl it's kinda hard to leave their own comfort zone in order to get to know a little bit more of those new ppl, whos culture is unfamiliar and whos habits may be different than ours. I would say, have a chat with them, share dinner with them, see how they live and what they like to do for entertainment, I bet after that, the major bulk of racism will disappear as it's no longer unknown and unfamiliar. This works the other way round too: these newcomers are unfamiliar with your culture too. Ideally, one could invite them over for dinner or something to have them acquainted with your culture too. Only if all this doesn't work and the person is still racist towards you, then you got a hardcore idiot that either needs to go to jail, some reform-institution or just get a plain old beating the cr*p out of him/her :)

In short, most racism is coming forth from unfamiliarity. Once this obstacle has been circumvented, I think racism will dissappear like April's snow.

M-G (one planet, one world, one small ball and we all have to share it)

Life / If I say POLAND, you say...? [100]

a Central/Eastern European country.

M-G (what did I win?)

Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]

Considering the number of Polish beers that's on offer here, I would say Tyskie and Karpacki. The latter one because it's rather cheap over here (4 cans for 5 Euros, which is cheap for Dublin) and tastes surprisingly good.

Edit: I don't like Lech that much as it tastes too much like Heineken in my opinion.
Edit2: Tyskie is about 2 Euro per can/bottle over here. Lech is about the same.

M-G (my überbier however, remains Grolsch, because it's from my area in Holland)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Mr Grunwald

Glad you appreciated it :) Some entertainment doesn't hurt every now and then.

M-G (ahem)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]


No, it's a combined report of general stereotypes and own experiences and stories friends have told me. It's for enterainment purposes only. Don't try this at home.

:)


Since Mare Gaea is ancient Greek for "Mother Earth", I am at least 5 billion years old.

:)

M-G (Mother Earth is the only woman everybody should love, I think)

Love / How to please Polish women? [216]


Did it hurt that much? It's just my experience. Not saying that this is everyone's experience. Although more than one female friends of mine can tell you also a thing or two about Greek men ;)


Exceptions do the rule. Some are plain slutty. Anyone can confirm that.


That's what I would like to say about my postings on the stereotypes thread as well. Don't take it too seriously. Just because I had some bad experiences with some Greek guys, doesn't say that they are all like that. It's entertainment. that's all it is, my good man.

Edit: I'm not interested in a Polish girl at the moment. I have a German one right now.

M-G (pride is a terrible thing to waste)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

George8600

I take it you're Greek? :)

I forgot to add to the Greece-part: scaringly proud and somewhat arrogant as they inhabit the birthplace of Western Civilisation. Or so they say themselves.

:)

szkotja2007

Hey, there's an idea. Maybe I should stop sedating them :)

M-G (Hellas, nah - good food, though)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Mr Grunwald

I didn't mean this in a homosexual way. It's just that they observe you and then without you being aware of it, have analysed you and come with a striking comment about you or a habit of yours.

Part 3 of my list (final part):

Scottish: men: I have trouble understanding them, even though my English is pretty good. They deepfry everything, even mars-bars (and they eat them with ketchup)!! Women: extremely vulnerable for compliments (in my experience), usually well shaped b**bs, but a bit passive in bed.

Welsh: I don't like the Welsh. They talk weird, have a weird accent when they talk English and I've only once met a Welsh girl; she was a lesbian.

Finnish: men: a bit awkward. They want to be like Americans, but in fact are more like Russians and have no clue how to deal with their women. Women: generally good looking, well shaped and rather good in bed.

Northern Ireland: men: good guys, in for a laugh, but a bit backstabbing at times, unless they are from Derry. In that case you can't understand a single word they say. Women: crazy, drunk, sex-craving creatures. Man! If you meet a Northern Irish girl in the pub and she is even a little bit drunk and you don't get a BJ or more after 30 minutes, you're either hideous or you are gay.

Portugal: men: very nice guys; actually more British than Iberian, welcoming and you become friends with them very quick. Women: tend to be a bit agressive, but when you know them a little bit better, they are actually very sweet. Have sex with just friends a lot when single (even when not single it's not a big issue).

Brazilian: men: well, they like to party. Women: SEX. Their sexdrive is immense.
American: men: a bit double, but generally nice and welcoming, depends on the part of the US where you are. Tend not to keep their promises and everything can change at the last minute, even if it's arranged for a long time. Women: like to talk abou sex, but are not that quick to put their talk into practice. However, when they're drunk, things most likely tend to get a bit more easy. For the rest, the American woman is a kind of mixture of attitudes of the diverse European attitudes. There is a "harrassment-paranoya" that is not to be ignored. Don't be surprised if you lay your hand in a friendly, non-threatening way on her shoulder and about an hour later the doorman kicks you out for harrassing her.

Finally, the Dutch: men: have still find their place beside the women. They are a bit confused about the role that is expected from them. Should they be the touch macho or should they be the tender, caring man. They don't seem to know as the women want them to be both at the same time. Also, they want the men to be smart, have a really good job, like France, Spain and Italy and be extremely good in bed as women expect to get at least 3 or 4 orgasms per session. Women: usually blonde and pretty face, mostly, but not always, well built. Tend to have an *ss that's on the big side, though. Love-handles are also not uncommon. They like to talk. They like to TALK. They like to TALK about everything, including how the sex was when you're done. They get a major turnoff if you don't want to discuss how it went after the deed. If you want to get a Dutch girl that's smart, do following: have her invite you over to HER place. Dutch women are emancipated, so they don't mind inviting you over. They also don't mind to split the bill when it's the 5th or later date you have with her. Anyway, at her place: pretend you enjoy her crummy cooking skills (probably something vegetarian or something you didn't think could fail, but has failed), talk about things you're not interested in, listen to music you really don't like, talk some more about non-issues you don't care about, go to some weird pub around the corner, bring her home. Thank her for the nice evening and ask her if you can come in again. If she lets you come in again, talk again about non-interesting things (be prepared to drink coffee!!) and then after all that, maybe, just MAYBE you may get to sleep with her.

That's it, I think I have covered all prejudices and experiences with this list. Print it out and hang it on the wall above your bed and memorize it. Shalom.

ShelleyS

I've been around for a while :) And, it was about prejudice, I think ;)

Edit: I forgot Israel: men: are either p*ssies, vegetarian and all, or super macho, vegetarian and all. Women: cool and distant, until you tell them you're Jewish, or at least partly Jewish; then they're all over you.

M-G (mood is getting better again)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

My List, part 2:

Yugoslavia: men are very nice and if you're a friend, they will do ANYTHING (literally!) for you. Women: dropdead gorgeous but very, very difficult to get.

Albania: Beggars. Women: pregnant beggars. Or beggars with children around them. Saw one once get some cash from an ATM, 10 mins later I passed her again, she was begging for some money for the kid.

Greece: the most rude men in the world. Greedy b*stards and only friendly when they want something from you. Women: either dropdead gorgeous or outright hideous. Easy to get in your bed.

Turkey: men want to be modern, but yet are highly traditional in relationships. Women: very emancipated and very fond of anal and oral sex as they have to be a virgin when they get married yet they want sex.

Ukrainian: men: dumb drunk nitwits women: oversexed creatures desperate to get a man from the West.
Russia: men: practicing amateur alcoholics, negative and loud when in groups in hotels. Women: P.R.O.S.T.I.T.U.T.E.S. they were born to do this.

Bulgaria: men: ugly and unreliable. women: good in bed, but only rarely willing
Romania: begging is about the 2nd biggest national industry. Women: I've known only one Romanian girlie and her name was Laura and she was not that hot, but she was amazingly nice and surprisingly well in bed.

Hungarian: men: loyal friends forever and ever, make loud noises when eating, like Palenka. Women: like Seanus said: Hungarian girls spread more than democracy and they spread it quite easily if they like you, which can be a day's task as well though.

Austria: men are, well, annoyingly happy all the time and for the rest they are like Belgians and Irish. See my description of them. Women: old fashioned. Need to be courted thouroughly, something for which I don't have patience. They look a bit like Slavic girls though.

Swiss: men; who or whatever gives me the best profit, that side I choose. Women: you will have to ask her father or her older brother for permission to go out on a date with them and you have to pick her up from her parental home so daddy can check you out. First date is always in a neutral place and sometimes daddy comes with you.

Czechia: men: rude b*stards who drink too much and don't like you if you don't tip enough according to them. Women: anything goes. Sex comes quick and goes quick as well. Czechia once had the biggest line of prostitutes in the world: from the German border to Prague, every 50 meters along the highway, there stood a prostitute. Sex is part of day-to-day life for Czech females.

Slovakian: kinda like the Czechs, only in a Catholic version
Danish: men are suspicious, but after a few beers this slips away, especially if you're the one who's buying. Women: you will have sex with a Danish girl you meet, whether you want it or not.

Swedish: men: arrogant b*stards, rude and loud while on holidays. Women: not as easy as the Danish, but after a beer or two anything goes

Norwegian: men: funny, but smart and checking you out without you even noticing it. Women: a bundle of frustrations, emotions and fobia. However, you will have sex with them if you take the time to listen for an hour or two to their sobbing and self-pity.

Iceland: men: nice, but being bullied by the women. Women: those are my personal favourites in Europe: emancipated, smart, tall, blonde, dropdead gorgeous and assertive. These girls will pick YOU up instead of the other way round. If they like you, you will KNOW they like you. This is also because they have a surplus of women. Icelandic females are the best in Europe, in my opinion.

Part 3 soon to follow.

M-G (still grumpy)

Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Ok, now my list (from a Dutch view):

Part 1

Polish: second-hand car buyers, women make good pole dancers and escort girls
German: tend to take ownership of every place they go, dig deep holes in our beaches where they sit at the bottom the entire day. Girls can be either more manly than men or extremely sexy and sweet.

English: taking loud ownership of very bar they enter in groups; sit too long in the sun until their bald head gets purple. Women: drink too much, easy prey when drunk and think it's hilarious to stop any male passer-by to ask him if he fancies a shag.

Belgian: Burgundies. Enjoy the fine things in life. Can be very nasty towards Dutch ppl, but generally are not taken seriously. Women: some of the world's most beautiful women are Belgian. Used to be quite tricky getting them laid, but lately they have become more loose. Catholic.

Irish: think everything is ok as long as they get to go to the pub for their pint of Guinness. Nothing gets done swiftly. Women: orange psychos in some cases, other cases very sweet (so sweet it nearly makes you sick), but kinda hard to get laid if you're not married to them. And if you're married to them, be prepared to want 15 kids.

French: like to protest. Like to smoke hashies in Holland and cause trouble there. Women: don't shave at all. Sometimes a bit smelly of all the garlic, but generally they're good in bed.

Spanish: a bit naive, always interested in everything and terrible in English. Women: you will know that she likes you if you get her in bed. These women can be like a hurricane in bed.

Italian: smooth appearance, nice clothes and they take two sets of clothes to the beach. You never know what might happen. Not much substance though: always the same smooth babble to tourists. Women: nearly impossible if you don't speak Italian.

Part 2 to follow later on after the meeting that I have now.

M-G (mood gets a bit better)

Love / I want to meet and date a Polish man [77]

Is that so? How does a Nigerian sound then? Is it like: "Hi, I am Doctor Mosambengo and I live in one of the poorest countries in the world. Yet I have accidentally found 300 million US dollars in my grandfather's shed which I want to deposit in your bank account. If you let me do this, I will give you 30 million for helping me out"?

Just wondering.

M-G (has his grump-day today)

Love / Why are Polish women so sexy ? [390]


You're right, blèh! Polish girls: bah!! They have no teeth and they all eat loads of garlic!! This last part is for me, being a vampire, kind of an issue, you know.

:)

M-G (sandy beaches in the moonlight)

Love / Why are Polish women so sexy ? [390]

damoshi

Are you kidding me? You must be. I never noticed. How come nobody ever opened a thread about this? Can anybody explain this to me?

M-G (curious)

Love / How to please Polish women? [216]


Well, there was a thread about pleasing Polish men, so I thought, why not about pleasing Polish women? :)

M-G (back, but leaving soon for town again)

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]

wildrover

Oppenheimer was a Jew, yes, but he was born and bred in the US. The US already started their Manhattan Project in 1941. And Oppenheimer turned into a Buddhist (or Zen-Buddhist) once he saw the consequences of his invention.

M-G (is off now)

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]


That was the issue with all the "newer" German tanks in WW2: they were great, but very complicated to construct. It simply took too long to manufacture them in order to be truly effective.

M-G (the four S'es: Sh*t, Shower, Shave, Shopping)

History / Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries) [239]

Problem with German tanks was that although they were technically and armour-wise superior to any of their opponent's tanks, they were designer-tanks. Masterpieces of construction, but very slow to build. It took much longer to build a Tiger in a factory than it took to build a T-34 or a Sherman tank, so although the Tiger was superior to both of them, he lost out because it took too long to build. Time and resources Germany didn't have. So, although the Tiger was feared by the Allies, it didn't make any difference in the end because there were too few.

M-G (PzKfw V is my favourite tank - see pic: it's a beauty)