delphiandomine
6 Nov 2010
Law / Ease of doing business in Poland [32]
It's a national identity number, easily obtainable when you legalise your residence in Poland in accordance with EU law. Poland isn't the only country that has this - try doing anything in France without valid residency ;) The UK has a PESEL too - never wondered what a "national insurance" number is?
And yes, the company was quite right to insist on you having it - without it, you're unlikely to be legally resident in Poland - and without legal residency, why should they supply you with services?
As for obtaining a PESEL - it's not a "hurdle", it's actually quite easy. I have one, didn't take any effort, just a few forms. Nothing unusual, difficult or strange.
I think most of the problems foreigners have in Poland is simply through their own refusal to follow the system in place here. Likewise in the UK - Poles had problems with obtaining benefits that they'd paid for, because they didn't bother to register under the WRS. As I said - problems of their own making.
The problem that many EU citizens have here is that no-one cares if they're here or not, but if they want to live as a Polish citizen, then they must complete the formalities. Non-EU citizens don't have a choice - they have to legalise themselves, but EU citizens don't have to because no-one cares if they do or not. But when they don't, they then discover that they don't have the essential documents that everyone else has.
I've got all sorts of different contracts with schools - and when I present them with a copy of my passport, my residence permit and my business registration, life is very easy indeed.
It's a national identity number, easily obtainable when you legalise your residence in Poland in accordance with EU law. Poland isn't the only country that has this - try doing anything in France without valid residency ;) The UK has a PESEL too - never wondered what a "national insurance" number is?
And yes, the company was quite right to insist on you having it - without it, you're unlikely to be legally resident in Poland - and without legal residency, why should they supply you with services?
As for obtaining a PESEL - it's not a "hurdle", it's actually quite easy. I have one, didn't take any effort, just a few forms. Nothing unusual, difficult or strange.
I think most of the problems foreigners have in Poland is simply through their own refusal to follow the system in place here. Likewise in the UK - Poles had problems with obtaining benefits that they'd paid for, because they didn't bother to register under the WRS. As I said - problems of their own making.
The problem that many EU citizens have here is that no-one cares if they're here or not, but if they want to live as a Polish citizen, then they must complete the formalities. Non-EU citizens don't have a choice - they have to legalise themselves, but EU citizens don't have to because no-one cares if they do or not. But when they don't, they then discover that they don't have the essential documents that everyone else has.
I've got all sorts of different contracts with schools - and when I present them with a copy of my passport, my residence permit and my business registration, life is very easy indeed.