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I know that, but why the Slovaks then and the Latvians?

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Yes but they contemplated a country like Slovakia as a German ally, that might be partly due to the fact the Poles would have no truck with the Nazis, so that is why they wanted to liquidate them.

As for the Poles you mentioned that joined the Nazis, how many of them would have had a dual heritage?

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I see, i wasn't aware of the punishments inflicted on those who refused to join.

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[quote=Harry]Sure, they were all forcibly conscripted. Which is why they only started to desert in large numbers from autumn 1944 onwards (the number who deserted during the north africa campaigns and in Italy before Italian surrender was so small that it wasn't even worth keeping records of). Finding a Pole who joined the German armed forces by choice is as hard as finding an Austrian who supported the Nazi party.

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The fact remains that Poland was the only one without a Quisling gov.

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Yes, but if they refused did they get a bullet in the head, or did they have their family members tortured?

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Surely you are smart enough to realize that these people were most probably forcibly conscripted? It happened to the grandfather of the current Polish PM.

And you have not posted your source yet.


which you haven't posted

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I see, pure speculation, i suppose you also don't take it into account that many of these supposed Germano-Poles were forcibly conscripted?

Again, could you provide a link or some evidence?

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Interesting, thanks for the facts.

Although that was strictly private, i would imagine and not the official position at the time. And party the result of necessity.

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I certainly hope so, I was going to say....

Heard about the latest story involving Brown, funnily enough it involves eastern Europeans, it could be his breaking moment. fingers crossed. lol

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would you care to elaborate? i have never heard of this before. And could you please post some links.

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Actually no, it was not. whenever the issue of borders came up he constantly refused to discuss when Russia was in a position of strength, he was desperate to maintain the integrity of Poland's easter borders.

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Indeed they did, quite a complicated history between the two. Lot of personality clashes between statesmen as well. I actually think that Czechoslovakia, being a mountainous region, could hold on to the passes for quite awhile, their army was not comparable to the German army of course, but quite formidable nonetheless. The French would struggle to desist from interfering, seeing Czech resistance in the south and Polish attack in the east they could quite plausibly join in and the Brits would naturally follow.

The Slovaks were opportunists they would have desisted until the Germans got the upper hand. Presented with such a scenario I think Hitler would definitely hesitate, there were people within his army at the time who were planning to assassinate him should Germany commence war with Czechoslovakia, but the conference prevented that from happening.

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As a counterfactual:

They could have had better relations with the Czechs whose army was quite sizable as well I believe, and done everything they could to back the Czechs against German demands and attempt at persuading the British and French that they were willing to fight over Czech sovereignty. That way the French would feel more inclined to honour their agreement and fight as well, thus winning the support of the British. That way Hitler's field of

Manoeuvre would have been very constrained indeed, if not in fact impossible. However there was just to much disagreement between the two.

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I really don't know, I guess the Americans were just not really that interested, they thought they had got a good deal and probably believed Stalin, when he assured them that there would be a free and fair election in Poland and other countries. By time the rigged elections took place I think he already acquired THE BOMOB.

The Brits in turn were suspicious of the Americans and wanted the secrets to THE BOMB, which the Americans were at first reluctant to share. As for the Poles it didn't matter what they thought, they were just ignored.


I think you meant mobilizing, they certainly were rearming in as far as the economic situation allowed. Britain on the other hand was constrained by some of the cuts Churchill made when he was Chancellor in a Baldwin government, they stuck to a pretty stupid 10 year plan at the time. That was partly the result of very strong pacifist Labour opposition, that wanted more money devoted to social security (as they always do).

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According to that the UK conservatives are more socially conservative than civic Platform, that is just incorrect, the conservative are in favor of civil partnerships and the PO is not.

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well ideally yes, on both, but not exactly realistic though is it.

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They are certainly using it, for instance:

Greek PM: Angie,we are a little broke at the moment, could you spare us a Dime.

Angie: why not, here you go, but don't fritter it away!

10 years later, Greek PM: Angie...

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Well it is hard to imagine, but if it hadn't been for the the war, paradoxically it would have taken the Europeans a lot longer to form the EU I guess.

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I beg to differ.


Indeed they do, because they were greeted by their country as heroes, and rightfully so, not as criminals waiting to be captured and deported to Siberia by traveling that well worn route that previous generations who dared to stand up to tyranny traveled.

At least Poles have the consolation that for the most part throughout history, their country stood on the side of civilization.

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According to new research shrinks your brain apparently.

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Have you seen his interview on Hardtalk by the way? Unfortunately he got soundly beaton in one of the debates with Komorowski.


Yes, lets hope people's heads overcome their hearts.


lol.


That is total rubbish, quite the reverse is true!


Hopefully not, Angie and her crew are more in contact with Tusk and his crew, so it should be OK. It was a pretty nice gesture from the German gov, to send the Berlin philharmonic to the funeral, in the end i am not sure if they made or not due to the ash cloud.

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Well the article suggests otherwise, but you presumably know better though?


I tend not to respond to myself, again a total failure to follow your own reasoning, seriously you should she some one. Logic seems to be your weak point or is it that time of the month?

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It is a very good speech overall, you can access it by looking for Edward Werner on google, scrolling down on his page and clicking the link below. WIKIPEDIA THAT IS. didn't have it on before thats all.

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You would be pleased to know that Scots have a very good reputation it seems according to this, a speech by Edward Werner to the Empire Club of Canada.

"Another example is less far-fetched. Polish troops are stationed also somewhere in Scotland. At first, Poles disliked the weather in Scotland. Later they wrote to relatives in the United States: "If the weather in Scotland makes the people as they are, we wish that that weather would prevail all over the world."

It is a very good speech overall, you can access it by looking for Edward Werner on google, scrolling down on his page and clicking the link below.

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well with war you don't have much in the way of choice though


I must say I am very disappointed to hear that, i hope it isn't something ingrained. I also have to say that within the immediate community I move around, quite the reverse is true, same thing among the gorale from Malopolsaka, just my personal observations.

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Do you know there is a really great documentary on the war, it is old but still one of the best in my opinion, narrated by sir Laurence Olivier (i think) it's called The World at War, i think it is on youtube.

Another good more recent one is, behind closed doors: world war 2.

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No it does not you are right, and i doubt there would be many who hold a teenager from Germany responsible for the war. However just because you were not involved in the war, it doesn't mean that your life wasn't altered by it in some way.


You are right, there would have to have been a hell of a lot of coordination and cooperation and it just did not exist, and i guess that the French and British were not quite mentally or physically recovered from the first war.

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yes they did, Poland on the other hand did not, even though she was an ally.

Thanks for the videos by the way.

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How on earth would you Know!?

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What is wrong with the term Pom?


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