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Crowie, Serbs hadn't even been able to hold their first union, Yugoslavia, together....it ended in blood and tears. Try it again, make it work this time and then come back and maybe you have something to tell.

Till then...

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I really don't miss US TV....

'night

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Yeah, but why bring her up now in this discussion?

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What Whoopi?

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That discussion here is the proof about the catastrophe Trump is...USians and Europeans pointing the finger at each other, mocking and fighting each other..there will be only a winner and it won't neither be the US nor the EU.

All say: THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Why should I watch CNN?

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Poles seem to think Trump gives a ***** about them, dreaming of US troops stationed in Poland. I fear that will be the next big disappointment to learn that someone like Trump would go to war for Poland when he could be chummy with Putin instead.

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Only if it let's itself be divided. The EU is a counter power, when we stay united! I think the Brexit and Trump are driving home that point. Most Europeans accept that we are stronger together, no matter the bitching at Brussels.

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Sadly Europe + the US together could be a worthy rival for awhile longer to rising China. But everyone of us alone is a sure loser, ready to be gobbled up by the new kid in town, as it's own time and leisure...so...again...Thanks for nothing President Trump!

MAGA my ass! He will oversee, lead and direct the disintegration of the West in a way no illegal immigrant muslim ever could..

Could it be that he was bought, paid and implemented by the Chinese?

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*epic eye roll*

Once China get's it's ball rolling you will need EVERY ally you can get, or you will become quicker a "has been" than you can fart. The same for Europe.

For people ostensibly so concerned about the destruction of our western civilization through them "towelheads" you are remarkable shortsighted in regards to the real danger. Right now you and your president are doing EVERYTHING to weaken our all position at the top. Thanks for nothing.

But ours wouldn't be the first civilization dragged down by arrogance and stupidity...or as the Chinese said: "Game over".

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Well..it's us Europeans who still cling to our atlantic ties, it's Trump who ****'s on them...I for sure don't want Germany/the EU to become the appendix to the new Chinese Empire, but that is again another topic!

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I disagree!

Dostojewski, Tschaikowski, Lomonossov, Checkov, Bakunin, Pushkin, Tolstoy...etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_people

If you cut out Russia you are stealing from our current civilization just to much!

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True...but that wasn't the start of this discussion. Nobody here is doubting that the current high point is that what we call "The West", civilizationally...technologically...economically. The point was about to show that before that there have been high civilizations elsewhere and after our run is through there will be again high civilizations elsewhere.

To believe that we Europeans/USians are the pinnacle of humanity, always have been and always will be, is just...well...let's say abit shortsighted.

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...because Dirk hates them so much. That is not normal anymore...that is not healthy. I'm concerned....

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Because it's not true!

Half of the actual 16 judges are voted for in by the Bundestag, the other half get's voted in by the Bundesrat. The term is limited to 12 years and they can't get re-elected.

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Christianity itself wasn't even a european invention, but developed in the ME and was more or less forced down the european throats with the sword.

Dirk! Jesus was a brown skinned towelhead...what say you?

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...and now that China is overcoming it's ideology founded backwardness the next century doesn't seems to become another european/western centric one.

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Hmmm...it may be when you really claim the achievements of old Greeks and Romans for us central European Germanics and Slavs. They called us not for nothing "Barbarians", you know...

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An interesting thought....is it really YOUR house? You are not the lone inhabitant...

If a country is seen as one house...who makes YOU the owner? What of the other "flatmate" which has a different opinion and wants much rather invite that shoot?

Isn't that the reason why the fight between the Dems and the Reps is such a bitter one?


Maybe they will one day...and the high time of European/Western civilization will be nothing more anymore than an interesting chapter in the history books.

Make no mistake Dirk, this our high time has been a short one, compared with the high civilizations of old and it is very fragile. Don't take it for granted, a short look into the history books should show you. The developments don't move straight upwards, they take loops and are crossing like nothing else!

In a century from now on, it can all already be well and truly over and we are all "has beens".

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I agree!

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Yeah...Merkel is responsible for alot of things, not all of them good, but she is no "wonder woman".

To better the immigration issue will need alot of time and diplomacy and money...to vomit verbally from across the Atlantic into the general direction of Europe is definitely not helping.

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Yeah...building EU camps on the greek islands or northern Africa to handle these people BEFORE they gain entry into the EU will probably be easier to achieve.


Well...Britain is out anyhow... ;)

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By the respective institutions which are responsible for such things?

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Yes...and that has to be proven in a drawn out trial first. So...everybody moving onto german territory can ask for asylum and HAS TO BE TAKEN IN! That means housing, feeding and the rest.

If he is later granted asylum and can move on is another story altogther.


Yeah..."Dublin" was such a clever move, wasn't it! :)
But now even Merkel had to admit it stopped working...as she did openly and officially during her visit in Spain last week.

And I wouldn't call that "hypocritical" but rather pragmatic. That's why the hopes are high we will also get our current set of asylum and immigration laws adapted to the new situation...it just needs time.

Merkel (2015 notwithstanding) is not generally one of the "open border for all" fraction, never has been!


Proof?

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...they are a work in progress...and will probably stay that way for a long time.

You know us "thorough" Germans! :)


I read there is talk about an EU wide adjustment of these "handouts", to put an end to that country-hopping you just described...

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In Germany the law says that EVERYBODY claiming asylum has to taken in first to give them the chance to prove their claim. A trial then decides about it. In the meantime we can't just let them starve to death on our streets...

These laws have their foundation in the civilizatory catastrophy the Third Reich has been.

Once meant for opposition leaders from Europe it now is seen as an invitation for everybody and their grandmom to try their luck. That between them alot of fraudsters abuse this very human and generous system is nobody angering more than Germans, I assure you. Those "open borders" - and "no immigrant is illegal" people are a small minority here too.

But to change and adapt these laws is a difficult, long wired thing and they just can't be thrown into the bin....so using bad language on Merkel, Germany and Europe generally is not helping at all...

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Where did I do that?


First: the monthly allowance for an asylum seeker in Germany stands by 135,- Euros per month. There is talk to change even that
into goods only.

Second: Especially in Germany what people get's so riled up is that the gov spends now money on the refugees they didn't had for Germans before.

Germany was really sitting tight on social projects and infrastructure for years, meaning education, schools, welfare, kindergartens, new apartements etc...but now they shuck out the money for these newcomers, that's of course hard to understand and accept.

And that policy is now coming back to bite them in the ass!

But I think I can safely say that if this money wouldn't go the refugees way it still wouldn't had gone to Germans either....that has alot to do with how the state finances had been handled by the gov during the last years and absolutely nothing with these hapless people now streaming in.

You still won't find me talking about them as some kind of "Untermenschen"...

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The thing is....alot of these fears and prejudices are voiced in Europe too....many people have problems with the growing number of people which are so strange to europeans...especially about muslims...even by people like me...and there is alot to lament about how Germany and the EU are handling these masses of people...and yes, Merkel and Co. made errors in judgement.

The whole immigration system is definitely not working right....but something in your kind of "argumentations" forces me to side with them nonetheless. You make me defend them even as I share and understand many of your points too.

Listening to you talking about these people or Europe generally is just not very compelling or convinicing or drawing me in..quite the contrary. *shrugs*

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Still...you keep mixing up economical and humanitarian migrants...they are by law in different categories.

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Yeah...well...because there are not that many differences between Ukrainians and Poles as between...say...Afghans or Syrians and Poles/Germans.
Imagine you were stranded in...say Iran...and would have to search for work...without the connections, the cultural background, the language...not to mention that Ukrainians are not only allowed to work, but expected to.

They are economical immigrants!!!


Rarely voluntarily. They are parked there, wasting lifes and resources because of the fear from earlier times that they will take employment possibilities away from the natives...

Why spend money on them with teaching them the language and a useful job when they are leaving again soon anyhow, right?
For people waiting in this limbo year after year after year it must be a disaster....


Yeah...well...there are not many Mexicans in Europe...if they were I'm sure you would despise them as much as the Trump voters in the US do.


That's because most Muslims today come as humanitarian immigrants...they are just not allowed to work till their trial is done, which often takes years...that's why the talk about the change in their status. Germany's farmers are right now seeking desperatedly for helping hands on their fields, as the usual eastern european source of that labor is drying up...


Do you have a link?