History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Of course, the problem for Ukraine is that its nobodys business, except Russia.


You so did.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Its not about what you care for or not, allies are key to long term survival, Ukraine has no allies and only Poland as a prospective one and your govt and your people do everything in their power to turn all that valuable support away from you.


True true, we raised them well in some places :))))

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


There's a lot beyond ATC that makes various short sighted people vouch for Turkey, the bottom line is however that Turkey counts and Ukraine does not, not even in the region.


You betrayed Mel Gibson.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Turkey is put before Ukraine as a prospective EU member thats one example, Ukraine is not a part of NATO or EU or for that fact any significant political structures in Europe and there's no drive by Western powers to include it in them, its basically a political outcast.


Heck no, i constantly imply that Ukrainian national character is primitive filled with falsehoods and generations away from being well developed, i never said money equals kindness.


Thats the problem with you Sean, you live here you work here you're going to have kids here (or have already) but you're not quite there yet as a Pole :)

Poland does give a jot about Lwów, its just not willing to risk its well being to take it and even if it was willing what would we do with it? In Poland it used to be pride and jewel of the country, under Ukrainian administration it deteriorated to a point where taking it back would basically topple our economy.

And yes we would love to use Ukraine as a shield, care to elaborate on 08?

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


You mean backwards Ukraine with a shrinking economy and a false history built on national complexes, a country shunned by Europe and looked down upon by Russia is a "beatifull thing"?

Possibly the only regional power that even cares about you as anything more then a political pawn is Poland and you spit it in the face with all the Bandera bull, Ukrainians are incredible people, they're poor and have no allies on this continent and still you antagonize one of the few countries that gives a pencil about your well being.

Ukrainians - masters of shooting themselves in the foot, really a beatifull thing :)

Life / I'm from Polish descent. CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE EU TO ME? [115]


Greece has wrecked its own economy, who's going to bail you out if you "bury the motherf*ckers"?

While i'm not a big fan of EU Greeks in specific are focked without it.

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


They obviously didnt, who do you take me for? Nathan?


The problem is two-fold, one Germans really let loose in Russia and two, Russians are a partly asian culture given that their very foundations come from Mongols, they as a nation and society do not follow the same civilisational standards as central or western Europe.


Thats also a bit of the problem, in Russia life always was of notoriously low value, now think about the lives of enemy civilians and here you are talking about things like civilisation or dignity.


...

Was?

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


A simple truth, if you trigger political mechanisms you can and will suffer a backlash, Poland did with Ukraine, you did with Russia et cetera.


It was impossible because both West and East needed slices of Germany as political pawns, militarily and logistically it was very possible, Germans themselves in 1945 were absolutely powerless to stop Soviets in any way and its not like Stalin wouldnt kill off Germans as a nation if it did benefit him, he was a sick f*ck with incredible power.


Of course it was about revenge thats what i'm talking about all along but there wouldnt e cause for revenge if Germany didnt start WW2, messing with Russia was an especially stupid idea since these guys have an asian approach to warfare.

As for rapes in Poland it wasnt that bad, women had to be watched of course and avoid larger groups but rule of a thumb was that russian troops got a bullet for raping non-German locals in Poland.

Thats not to say it was OK to do it to German civilians but for Christs sake what did you expect after all that Germans did in Russia, flowers?


Busy like bloody hell, by the way i'll have a nice publication about Kraków for you when i get back home :)

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


You do realise those children wouldnt die if you didnt let Nazis run amock? While i do not endorse killing of civilians what did you expect?

Women with kids wildly cheering Hitler while "proud Wehrmacht" burns your family in a barn, of course you will kill any number of German civilians, i always maintainted that the only people truly guilty for German losses during WW2 are Germans themselves, you're lucky geopolitics kept your people from getting wiped out completely.

Also i agree that Goebbels and Hitler are to blame, if i were a german commander i'd pull out civilian populations a full week before Russians even got close.

History / Polish armored trains form I and II World War [32]


Rubbish, they were so extremely effective that after facing them in Poland Germans adopted an armored train as a new kind of weapon in their army, a single train could stop an entire brigade for hours.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


Yes and you lied, your only proof was wiki, just like last time, given that anyone including you can edit it and we've had examples of people doing just that to fit their argument yours is worthless.


Where does it say they were anything but a minority in Kraków? Your source only states the facts, Germans were invited to Poland where over 200 years they polonised, nowhere does it say they were a majority in Kraków (since they werent).

Produce a source that you couldnt write yourself, any source and we'll have a discussion, thus far you're basing it off something that anyone could write.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


Sorry? You're bringing wikipedia and given your outlandish thesis that Kraków had a German minority i'm inclined to believe you either edited it or are aware that its bollocks, find another source.


Piłsudski is a Polish coat of arms.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

BB got anything except for Wiki? No offence but anyone can edit it and for example Nathan regularly edits Wiki articles to fit his view, i know history of Kraków very well and couldnt find a single period when they constituted a majority.

I cant find any Polish source that would confirm your views so either we as Poles practice Soviet school of history (ie falsifying it) or the only place where Germans were a majority in Kraków is on the pages of Wikipedia.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


I'm sorry but thats just a chauvinistic lie, one of your many Kraków throught its history had a Polish majority, calling a Polish capital with a Polish majority and a city that due to grain trade was the most important in Hanseatic league "German" makes you an idiot.

Ps. there was no Hanseatic league without Poland, all grain trade from Ukraine went through Poland, any sort of an embargo f*cked the entire Baltic region over a period of few weeks which happened during several wars with the Teutons when various German princess felt like helping out.


Chauvinistic lies? You just called a Polish capital a predominantly German city, as far as i know the absolute peak of Germans in Kraków was about 24% and they moved to the city because it was so prosperous not to make it so.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


Why not the Polish merchants? After all it was the Poles who monopolised the river traffic so what did the Germans have to contribute when most of the wealth was in Polish hands? Exactly the kind of attitude i'm talking about.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


Lets see, among some of your better ones "Kraków was so prosperous because it was half German."

"Kopernik was German because his uncle wanted him to be."
"Poland didnt won at Vienna, it was the Germans."
"Poznań is a natively German city."

There's more if we bother to dig except its not ad hominem shooting gallery.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Whats to be modest about? You're attempting to claim Polish achievements as your own and you bytch about Poles giving Germans Polish names?

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]

Piłsudski was calling himself a "Lithuanian" in the same manner as every single Pole born in the Lithuanian region was calling himself a Lithuanian.

The name was to call a region of birth, as for his nationality he was from a Polish noble family, with a Polish coat of arms and a long tradition of pro-Polish patriotic activities and he considered himself a Pole which he repeteadly said in newspapers and in the radio as well as privately.

How about you stop lying Vetala, its not the first time you're taking advantage of the mods being a bunch of fockwits to insult and twist the facts to fit your little anti-Polish outlook you smelly twat.

@BB

The same reason why we call Germans with Polish names is because you call Poles like Kopernik with German ones,we're almost as chauvinistic as Germans, almost :)))

History / Polish 76th Infantry regiment WWII [5]

Ah you're not Polish then, how about you PM me and we'll see what we can do, no promises though as Russian sources about Gulags and prisoner camps are notoriously hard to come by.

News / GDP of Poland.. 338 billion pop-38.5mil Cali GDP 1.7 Trillion pop-37.7mil [70]


Mostly yes, 40~ of central planning require a similar time to rectify the damage.

Off-Topic / Europe according to Poles and other European nations [44]

Torq this thread is made of pure focking win.

Pedały, BMW, Hitler :)))))

History / Polish 76th Infantry regiment WWII [5]

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Love / Beauty and physical apperance - Is it so important to Polish boys? [26]


I'm betting my monthly pay that you're one homely kid.

Love / Beauty and physical apperance - Is it so important to Polish boys? [26]


Yes it is but it sounds awesome so i had to put it there.

Love / Beauty and physical apperance - Is it so important to Polish boys? [26]


Let me put it politely, if you're fat & fugly no amount of rich deep personality is going to help you.

Life / Can foreigners really understand Poles? [136]


Ah the (in)famous political correctness, yes Polish people are different because they're Polish, German people are different because they're German etc.

We have nations in the first place because they're collectives of people with shared views, ideals and perspectives, its not immdiately visible nor obvious, its not simple either but yeah nations do have defining qualities to them, some less some more.

News / Poland - Third World Country?? [300]


Sometimes they do sometimes they dont, corruption is a problem but its not a reality collapsing issue.

News / Poland - Third World Country?? [300]




Poland is a third world country because we sell keyboards with a broken caps lock :))))

Life / Can foreigners really understand Poles? [136]


You do not get more sophisticated then a Russian, they're some of the most complex people on this bloody earth (their barbaric "civilisation" notwithdstanding).


Southern?

Life / Can foreigners really understand Poles? [136]


You. Are. Not. Getting. A. Corridor. To. Gdańsk.

Period.

:))