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jon357   
26 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

Does this mean you can't come up with any examples?

I gave you three!

So government funding will never be enough to fix socially contrived problems but you advocate going ahead and trying it anyhow?

Of course - without society we just end up like the third world.

It's in the interest of Social Welfar officers' and counsellors' families to never fix the problem in the short or long run because then they would be out of work.

Don't be silly - that is cynical and untrue.

posturings

a FINANCIALLY VESTED INTEREST IN maintaining the problem.

Paranoia.

government safety nets encouraged more teen pregancy along with other social breakdowns.

You're suggesting society shouldn't provide 'safety nets' for those who need it?
jon357   
26 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

give examples of the "shared action"

It's called society, public institutions, civilisation.

You, very likely, are the kind of person who allies himself with one party regardless of the issue.

Not really. I always used to vote for the same one but do so no longer.

Perhaps government funding is contributing to the problem.

I don't think so - government funding is never quite enough, and whenever there are any genuine initiatives, there are always people sniping about cost.
jon357   
25 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

handing over responsibility to some state department.

Or taking responsibility in the form of shared action.

That's the problem! That is THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM! Read this in your outside voice nice and loud: GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND BUREACRATS ARE LESS ACCOUNTABLE IN EVERY SENSE THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.

That's just bizarre.

I have given you real world examples of how that is patently false!

You haven't. You've just ranted about 'big government' and suggested that families should deal with problems, without giving a thought to whether or not they are able to or who will sort out the fallout further down the line.

Perhaps there has to be more funding - if a problem is growing......

MANDATING financial responsibility for other people's personal decisions costs the middle class and fails every time.

And the middle class are precisely the people who benefit because they (in the form of the state) keep a lid on the worst of the squalor and deprivation of the poor. Including the fallout from teenage pregnancies.,#

Amazing how angry and aggressive impotent right-wingers get when allowed near the internet. Trying to take a thread off-topic because of some sort of off-centre political view (usually anti-statism) is pretty typical too.
jon357   
25 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

I haven't assumed anything except that the Government is completely incapable of managing family affairs in this country.

Since we all have to pay for it in the end, it's better the state intervene quickly in dysfunctional families rather than let society pick up the pieces later. A stitch in time...

If you never had sex as a teen then you can cast judgement but for most of us, we simply got lucky in that we didn't become parents in our teens.

Hmmm

Are you trying to express the idea that the difference between a 3rd world and 1st world nation is the need for an alternative to personal accountability? If so, that is complete and utter horsesh*t!

The difference, as you well know, is that in developed countries there's no need to put the burden of fixing problems on families.

Personal accountability is the long term solution

And when someone isn't accountable? You'd let them and their kids suffer and compound all their problems in the future? Not how we do it in Europe.

throwing money at the problem is just going to cost more and more every year

Pay a little now or pay a fortune later.

And the people who are employed to take care of the problem will make sure it never goes away so that they always have a job. That is how it is.

Nonsense. You are beginning to sound like a faux-Ayn Rand libertarian. Every man for himself.

You know I once heard a particularly f*ckwitted person (Polish as it happens) saying that paying taxes and providing state support for those who need it was like two people on a desert island, one hard-working and the other lazy, with the hard-working guy having to pay cash to the lazy guy. A particularly sill analogy, but to carry it further - the daughter of the hard-working guy, privately educated, healthy, well-groomed - who's she going to marry?
jon357   
25 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

Generally, if the teenager has fallen for a bairn they're doing something wrong anyway. And you mistakenly assume that all or even most families are in a position to do that. Poland isn't the third world, where there is no alternative to the family, however crap the family may be.

"the government"

The government or 'all of us', society as a whole...
jon357   
25 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

Families must focus on younger people and keep the government OUT OF FAMILY LIFE!

That presupposes that every family is competent to manage their own affairs.
jon357   
25 Apr 2012
Travel / Anybody VERY familiar with bars in Warsaw? [22]

It's called Klaps in particular, in the pawilony

I know the pawiliony and will be there in a week or so. If you like I'll have a look at Klaps (though doesn't look much like Klaps to me) and confirm if it's there.
jon357   
24 Apr 2012
Travel / What do you know about Torun, Poland? [30]

Truly I loved the town, gothic medieval place with the beauty of nature, the longest river and very beautiful architectures

The old centre is beautiful (watch out for the police there though - they are not beautiful) however a lot of the rest is uninspiring. The river is nice, as is the area across the river near the station.

You'll find a great and very cheap pizza restaurant there - all the locals know it.
jon357   
24 Apr 2012
Travel / Anybody VERY familiar with bars in Warsaw? [22]

Pruderia is one of several bars very close to each other. If my memory serves one of them (obviously not that one) is women only. They are all some way off the main road in an old military fortification called Fort Mokotow. The address is Racklawicka 99. The others include Club Rock (Bikers Place), Reverbnation, Mroowisko, Balsam and Klub Klinika, however that isn't a full list and places come and go.
jon357   
24 Apr 2012
Travel / Anybody VERY familiar with bars in Warsaw? [22]

I need help trying to identify a bar from a picture

Post it and there's a good chance I'll know it. It's a shame Harry isn't here any more - he'd be the best person to ask.
jon357   
24 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

Have you had a sex change?

No, however there's a story I don't want to tell...

Re abortion, not all very young women are the same, nor are all slightly older women with careers, nor is every woman who already has a family. Each has their own reason for having the procedure. Nobody has ever compared it to having a tooth out, but for some it is a huge relief.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

everything is so simple and clear-cut

In a lot of places yes - neutral, dispassionate information is available before the procedure. Nobody advising anyone to have it, nobody trying to persuade them not to.

Mine happens to be based on experience. So please don't be so rude and call it 'tosh'. Frankly it has a better foundation than your posturing.

If only you knew.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
News / Why is PO still in power? [9]

You mean say like a party which was created less than a year ago and now has 42 MP's?

Ruch Palikota? I prefer them to the others, but they need a direction. And the views of their members are so diverse it's a split waiting to happen.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
News / Should Poles care who becomes French President or is it irrelevant? [45]

As the Euro-zone falls apart, it could be useful to have a French President not so heavily personally invested in the whole project.

I see what you're saying, however it's in France's very best interests to preserve the Eurozone. Merkozy may be on the way out, but the new leader will be as close to Germany as he possibly can be.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

Again, not quite right ... rather for all who are told it is the 'sensible' option, and are too young/naive/inexperienced to understand even what they are doing,

That's pure tosh. Information on every aspect of the procedure is freely available, and women right from puberty to the menopause undergo terminations.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
News / Why is PO still in power? [9]

Sometimes at the expense of looking at wider/more important issues?

Many people say this. EU membership and migration to the UK/Holland etc have averted a possible demographic and financial crisis, and anyone over about 40 or 45 has experienced more political change than anyone needs, hence the appeal of any sort of stability.

Sometimes it feels like Poland is waiting for the next political movement to come along. The Ziobrysci don't count, and Ruch Palikota is just plugging a gap. The issue is that PO won't change as long as they have voters and despite many of the activists being unhappy with th way the party is run, no new political camp has emerged.
jon357   
23 Apr 2012
News / Why is PO still in power? [9]

Why is PO still in power?

Because they won the election and have a clear majority.

How on earth did they win the elections then?

People voted for them.

2 possibilities

1/ It was a fix.

No - Poland isn't Belarus or Myanmar, and if one thing can be said about Poland it is that there is huge media scrutiny of political minutiae.

2/ PO know that they are unable to promote themselves with what they have done, so all they have left is to say 'Yeah this government might be bad but look at what it could be like if you vote for the racist psychopathic conspiracy theorists known as PiS.

It's true that there isn't really any opposition capable of forming a government. PiS couldn't without the helpof an openly racist fringe party and couldn't last a whole term of office.

It is a sad state of affairs when you vote for party not because you think they are the best choice and would do well in charge but because you think they are the best looking piece of trash on the scrap heap.

The same the world over.
jon357   
22 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

The 1968 abortion act

A great breakthrough, but not far enough. In practice, doctors allow it for all who ask.
jon357   
22 Apr 2012
Life / Catholic "Telewizja Trwam" from Poland - your thoughts? [98]

The link you supplied was 2006.

That makes it less valid? Or that a polite message has somehow cancelled it out? No. Unless you're suggesting the Rydzyk has somehow changed since then, sold his Maybach and started to avoid politics, which judging by the protests in Warsaw, he clearly hasn't.
jon357   
22 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

As far as the woman's hormonal system and the way her body is operating at 3 months into a pregnancy, to remove that pregnancy is catastrophic.

Were that true, healthcare professionals in developed countries would not routinely offer the procedure more or less on demand.

So, it is convenient in a teen pregnancy to say 'it isn't a baby', but when someone has been desperate for a child and paid thousands for IVF, they are cracking the champagne and crying with joy when they see it a few stages after zygote in a petri dish.

Pretty well true, though we can't expect one group to share the same feelings or priorities of the other.

Is it ok to be pregnant and a teenager in Poland?

If you're married, yes. If you're not married, it isn't so much of a scandal as it used to be.
jon357   
22 Apr 2012
Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]

The baby is about 5 or 6 cm long, and has had a beating heart for some weeks

It isn't a baby at that stage. It isn't sentient, doesn't have a thought process and removing it isn't murder.

If teens are raised with the right values, they can be trusted out in the world. No need to keep them locked up in towers.

You'd think so, but teenagers have always been and always will be teenagers.