News / 2ND MIRACLE OF THE VISTULA: youth mysteriously appear out of nowhere! [231]

I have just listened to the President's announcement in which he stated he is going to veto both bills.
In the speech he mentioned that he had talked to professor Zofia Romaszewska. The distinguished professor told him that she had already lived in a state in which Prokurator Generalny had all the power and that is not the way it should be.

He critcised policticians of both the leading party and the opposition for making the citizens live in fear. That's how I feel. I live here and I still believe I can make my own conscious opinions about what is happening in Poland regardless of what political party is in the government.

@Polonius I'm not your kaprysik. Stop patronising people just because they don't follow your opinions. I'm not a commie or a fool.

@gumishu You keep talking about prowokacje policji. The police forces consist of the same guys as two years ago. They need to follow the orders. If there is a riot, they need to react. If someone is throwing bricks at them, should they just wait? I guess it's a matter of perspective in your case. If it's people you agree with that attack the police, you think it's prowokacja policji. If it's the opposition, you believe it's the police taking the right measures. Just like with elections in Poland, whenever PiS lost they kept screaming about 'sfalszowane wybory'. But when they won, everything was fine ...

To sum up, I'm far from loving PiS. I strongly believe PO won the elections just because too many people chose the lesser evil on two occasions and failed in the end as people realised they hadn't done much and just kept threatening with PiS.

I have a right to make my own decisions and doubt what political parties do no matter what fraction they are. I still do. I can only hope the President will keep vetoing any bills that try to take our freedoms.

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@mafketis
I hope not ...
@Polonius I see - I'm not intelligent because I doubt the government's decisions. Ok.
Have a good life. Bye.

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The rubber bullets were used against people storming the building.
Sadly, recently Independence Day has been 'celebrated' by demolishing the capital.
As for the police, do you seriously believe they are totally new people. Not the same as two years ago? Whether it's PO or PiS in power they need to protect themselves from pavement bricks thrown at them.

And I guess further discussion is simply pointless as the major argument here is 'bo za PO'.
I disapprove of both PO and PiS.
I have had enough of people spitting their venom at others.

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@gumishu
The problem is that you see the protesters as people who want to lead to a civil war. Is the society divided? Yes, it is. It has always been. There have always been protests against parties in charge. Nothing new here. But I can't remember other governments bringing water cannons to the protests. I don't recall politicians of former governments threatening the opposition with prison. Not after 1989. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Or the absurd situation when one of prominent PiS politicians is a former communist prosecutor. His fellow MPs see nothing wrong here. Just as they see nothing wrong about former Solidarity activists treated as enemies of the state.

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@mafketis we're no longer PRL and it seems too many MPs are too fond of the 'old way'
@gumishu Is Kopacz a role model for you?

People still have a right to disagree with the government. I can just hope they won't try to follow the PRL way of dealing with the opposition.

News / 2ND MIRACLE OF THE VISTULA: youth mysteriously appear out of nowhere! [231]

As much as you may like foreign judical systems, this is Poland and we have every right to accept the system as it is now. Or dislike the reforms. And believe it or not, just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they have been paid to oppose the changes. You write that there is a surprisingly high number of young protesters. Just yesterday one of PiS senators called them 'ubeckie wdowy'. I just don't get one thing-so many PiS followers can't understand that an average citizen may have a different opinion. I'm in my thirties and I can't recall any other government that would refer to people of other views as traitors. If you don't agree with them - no matter whether it's about the judical system, the educational reform or the Bialowieza Forest - you're a traitor/commie.

It's 2017 and Poles have had an opportunity to express their beliefs for almost thirty years. Deal with it. We know our rights and we want to keep them. We still have a right to express our views.

I don't agree with the proposed changes. The proposed bill has some mistakes. Even Duda noticed that.

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PO were no saints but at least they didn't want to take total control of the judical system.

Genealogy / Luzka, Dolnogo, Poland - Help with Polish Geography? [2]

I think it comes from '(z) Luzka Dolnego' which literally means 'from Luzek Dolny' - now a village in Ukraine. Historically it was inhabited by a lot of people of Polish origin. It is close to Drohobych and 'from Drohobych' would be 'z Drohobycza' so the names might have been mispelt.

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolny_%C5%81u%C5%BCek -there's an English version of this Wiki page, too, although there is not much information given either in English or Polish.

News / 2ND MIRACLE OF THE VISTULA: youth mysteriously appear out of nowhere! [231]

More and more people have had enough. That's all. No conspiracy here.