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You still haven't accepted this fact. For our border authorities everybody who reaches our border and who claims asylum has to be seen as someone in need who has to be taken in and given the chance to prove his claim. No matter his color, his religion or culture...In the meantime till his case is decided the german taxpayer has to feed and cloth him and even provide him with education and similiar stuff.

Then the Ausländerbehörde rules either against him or approves his status...that's how this mess works right now.

Or better said..doesn't work right now....

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Because they don't come as "muslims" in the first place. They come as people in need...


No we don't. But that thought is shared by the same kind of people who hold Germany and the whole West responsible for these hordes of economic migrants. So in consequence we HAVE to share our "unjustly" achieved wealth with them, not matter the costs.

It's a thought that is definitely not shared by the majority of Germans nor anywhere else in Europe. But it's a loud and often repeated thought...

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Nobody is forcing you to take part, you know? :)

It isn't like the big parades of old, where we were "asked" to line the streets and pretend to wave happily...

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It is...when people want to have fun at a parade, no matter how silly, they should be able to do so. Undisturbed... That for me means our way of living, which I want to defend...

If someone tries to forbid them their fun, I frankly don't care if it's coming from a muslim or a christian!

The main gripe I personally always had with this parade was the poor Grunewald
and the pissed at trees. Do you have an idea how destructive these litres of urine (more than 100.000 L) are for the nature????

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Funny, you sound like some of them muslims when you say that...

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...one good example for this madness:

Between a really necessary change of the law, which would enable Germany to send criminals back to northern Africa (Maghreb), which would really do alot for the tension and atmosphere in Germany, stand now only the Green Party and the Linke.

They argue that homosexual Arabs could be mistreated there and hence these countries can't be declared "safe".

(Germany won't send asylum claimants back to "unsafe" countries even as they lost their case and are only tolerated for god knows how long including support. A good and acceptable example for an unsafe country is Syria, where the war still goes on.)

But they don't seem to be so concerned with the homosexuals here in Germany who sometimes in certain areas no longer dare to hold hands because of these Arabs HERE! Which is especially grating as the LBGT rights has been for years one of their political mainstays.

That is not normal...that is not sane...that is no longer acceptable and they risk really the peace and stability of not only Germany but Europe! But...for what??? For a criminal low life which ****'s on our values and our generosity and our way of living???

Tacitus, can't you talk sense to them?

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I don't know about that, I don't feel masochist in the slightest.

....what is sometimes so maddening to me personally are the ongoing tries to justify this mess with THE LAW....or THE VALUES...as if the West would fall down and explode if we watch and control who comes in and punish the criminals and kick them out.

As if it would make Germany a bad country if it becomes abit more like...say...Canada or so.

One of the main reason Europe is so split in this question is that barely any european country trusts "the Germans" with this problem..precisely because of this thinking. German current handling of immigration is neither normal nor longer acceptable. But more often than not you still read and hear in the german media that Europe must act like Germany, but Europe doesn't want to, and rightly so.

That is especially grating as a german "Sonderweg" was an absolute taboo for decades..and that also rightly so. But since 2015 we really try to force the rest of Europe to follow us on this path. Declaring all those Europeans who don't want to to "bad" Europeans, who betray the LAW and those holy VALUES.

As an Ossi I feel with you, we get told that daily too...

I can only ask for patience. It is highly doubtful that Merkel will **** on her own legacy as long as she sits in the chancellery. To admit such a dramatic failure is just to much to ask for. We will have to wait three more years..

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Yeah...humans. Like you and I....from the murdering, raping bastard burden to the really grateful, law abiding, talented, huge asset to the country....the whole mix is coming.

If Germany would do a better job at sorting them out and removing the bad apples it would be better for the whole basket.

But....THE LAW forbids it!!!! *throws dramatically arms against sky*

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Tell us something new!

Even the german official authorities admit now that the percentage of true asylum deserving refugees between these masses of incoming people is low, lower, the lowest.

The problem is THE LAW! They learned already at home that they only have to reach german shores, utter the word "asyl" and they are in....thats THE LAW!!!!

There is a deep dislike in the broad west german public to change THE LAW...so we are stuck with them and their abuse of THE LAW for the time being.

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Well...of course....alot of them fall through the system. There is no way any country could keep the total control. But frankly those don't concern me as much. They don't cost me my money. They don't claim and don't get any support. They don't burden the state nor my purse. They are the poorest sods of them all, with no rights at all.


I agree! I think quotas would be a good solution. Several towns have already independently decided not to take any newcomers (nearly all of them muslims) in anymore. I really think that could be a viable option for the future. That towns and villages and cities can decide for themselves when they take in how many. That should depend on the available housing and jobs. And it would also do alot to de-escalize the tension in many big cities. It seems one Muslim is a good normal citizen but lotsa Muslims make lotsa problems. That needs to be unraveled....a quota to keep their numbers down or to distribute them more evenly would be a practicable solution.

(But then there is Karlsruhe...right Tacitus:)


Masses of agressive, uneducated, violent, desperate young men....what's not to like?

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Look at that Dirk and take a deep breath:

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe

No european country has more than 9% muslims (Bulgaria doesn' count:)
And these are more or less all concentrated in a few big cities...which leaves most of Europe with barely any headscarfes at all....

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So what?

That isn't the problem...most of these foreigners are other Europeans....white...christian (more or less).What you really mean are brown skinned muslims from outside of Europe...and here helps a look to the true numbers again. I posted them somewhere in another thread already...Alltogether are that a few percent only for the whole of Germany. More than 90% are still neither dark skinned nor muslim (and don't plan to).

Yes, there are some towns in Germany where the numbers are much higher...where the common german child is the only one left in the Kindergarten...all true. But that is not because Germany has become an arab country over night but because of the building of a Ghetto. It's abit like China Town in New York...fresh newcomer prefer to live with others of their kind for support. That also means that they are poor...so the regions where they settle are poor and cheap...the better off natives who can afford it move out (and take their kids with them).

A natural development which exists since migration exists. But that isn't Germany!!!!

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How about:

"CpmGlapswsl" for shorters? :)


Somehow I got that already...nobody is so angry about something he doesn't care for.

But..."Germany" is me also!

*have to run now, till tomorrow*

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Then do that...put the blame where it belongs not at "Germany"!


And miss our shot at being Weltmeister again???

Toni Kroos (Ossi) is good for one more winner goal!!!

'night all :)

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Probably...

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Ach Iwo!

East Germany alone will never win a Weltmeisterschaft...

*hugs Tacitus*

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Ouch! :)

But yeah...if stereotypes are thrown around I want to play too...and NRW has somehow gotten an ultra bad rap (by people who never went there of course:)

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I think that is the thing..

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You and a few million Germans...we could be allies, but your constant demeaning of MY homecountry makes that impossible.


In the East for sure. It's abit like in Poland, those few who are placed there are eager to leave for the west german big cities as quickly as they can! :) Our foreigner quota is abysmal low...

And honestly in the big cities like Berlin they fit much better. Take out the culprits and criminals and all is only half as bad. I get to choose, you know? When I want to I can enjoy multi-culti with my Döner in hand and if I want more of a homely feeling rather than the big wide world I could relocate to that beautiful nice village in Mecklenburg Vorpommern, directly by the Ostsee...where you will never see a head scarf, promised! :)

And then there are the towns and regions which bear the worst of the brunt (in NRW for example)...Ghettoes full of foreigners where all that happens what you describe. But that is not the whole of Germany and never will be! It's about big bad errors and the consequence of many years of neglect and a wrong policy. Can all that be rectified? I dunno....surely not quickly.

But I'm fairly sure the East won't repeat these errors!

Here a map about the foreigner concentration in Germany....the more blue the more foreigners:

Compare the eastern lands to NRW for example...or even worse Hamburg and Bremen...

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I'm not sure what you want to hear from me? Are you blaming ME??? Why are you angry at ME ffs???

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Yeah and millions of eastern Europeans (lotsa Poles between them) came to Germany after the Soviet Empire fell and they could...so what?

The current multi-kulti mindset is a child of th 68er "revolution" of the free West, a development all behind the Iron Curtain missed...

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A compromise I can live with! :)


Nah...it was the decades being isolated from the world behind the "Iron Curtain"...that's why East Germany still resembles much more Poland or Hungary than Western Germany....physically and mentally.

It would be most precise anyhow if you direct your scorn at western Germany and not the whole of Germany in one go. Bavaria (closer to Austria than to Berlin) and the East (closer to Visegrad than Brussels) are totally different...

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Yeah well...that can take three years...do you plan to repeat your opinion 24/7 till then?

It really, really, really starts to grate on my nerves! I might even become a Merkel-supporter if you don't stop that, only to spite you...will you take that risk?

It's one thing for a German to heap abuse on his beloved Heimat...but a totally different thing for a foreigner, as you should very well know!

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Could you please stop your endlessly repeated Germany bashing? It get's tiresome...Thank you!

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And back to square 1...for that we need to change a few sets of laws. The current ones are to easily exploitable and free to be abused.

It seems that more and more "refugees" come with a good knowledge about how to milk the german state best....what to say where and when...which documents to lose and which to keep...which age and nationality to claim to raise their chances...the "right" background story....which money and support they can demand from the Germans...how to connect to a support net of lawyers which will keep them for eternity in Germany even when they have lost their claim...and so on...

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame these people. They only do what we would do too in their shoes...they are fighting for their part of the cake, and why shouldn't they.

It's the german politicians which are solely to blame for this mess!

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It get's even better...we are not only unable to remove them, the german authorities seem even unable to find out their identities. Just watch the Chemnitz murder:

A german newspaper reports that the suspects are believed to come from Iraq and Syria but that's it. Till now they couldn't clear up the true identity of these men...

Don't forget, that are people who are since a few years already in Germany...the german taxpayer is feeding and housing them...they got a asylum FFS!!!

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article181416508/Daniel-H-erstochen-Haftbefehl-gegen-dritten-Tatverdaechtigen-in-Chemnitz.html

Oh armes Deutschland! Unfuckingbelievable!!!!

Oh btw. in connection with the murder of a German in Chemnitz the police is now searching for a third suspect:

Just in case you have seen this guy, please call Germany:

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Hmm...you think the conservatives will die out some day? The new generation will be unisono leftist/liberal? Really?

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I wonder why your family is still in Germany Dirk? What is keeping them?

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Have some patience....

As long Merkel sit's on the CDU this "Merkel Republik" will linger on...but she will be gone in a few years, then all bets are off and the already overdue changes will happen, I'm sure of it.

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Oh gawd, could you people please stop that doom and gloom? :)

Germany isn't going anywhere....we have been around for over 2000 years already...we have laid Rome to waste, our kingdoms ruled Europe and were ruled by it...we have gone through the lowest lows and achieved the highest heights.

We will survive this current crisis too...:)
(And compared with other points of our history that is not really a life threatening situation...just a very annoying one...)