History / The heroic jump of the 1st Polish Independent Paratrooper Brigade [81]


Force of habit dont assign any meaning to it, i repeatedly admitted that Lower Silesia is historically far more German then Polish.


Given that we just lost 20% of our territory with some national heartlands like Lwów and here's this nation that just killed off 1/5th of our people i'd say we were fully justified in annexing these territories.

Another thing is that Germans drone over how we got their mighty beatifull cities and purposefully omit the fact that the entire region was a massive cratered moonscape and if you get to enjoy wonders of German architecture today its because the Poles rebuilt it, usually from scratch.


Come on BB after the frontline went through the region the place was reduced to ruins gonna find you a before and after folder i saved from my discussion with a German buddy about how we inherited the "rich regions".


Which one?:) There's enough definitions to justify both my point and yours, the point of the point is however that you're not born into polish culture, habits or way of life being a citizen is quite different then being a native.


Home grown economy only, there was no significant outside investment prior to 1936 unless you know some alternative history in which there was one?

Growing from zero is also not the fault of Poles, the frontline ravaged Poland whereas say Germany had all of its industry intact post WW1, the fact that Polish economy grew 320% from 1919 to 1939 is testament to the skill and organisation qualities of the Poles, i can name ten countries off the bat who with same resources couldnt do it, some of them still cant.


My point being that Poland was a first world culture and civilisation forcefully dragged to a status of a third world country like Ukraine or Belarus via wars and decisions of foreign powers.

I dont want compensation, unlike Jews i dont want anyone to apologise to me or my country but i do want to ***** and quite frankly i feel Europe owes us patience in our *****ing, if we want to bytch and moan about how we got crapped all over the West needs to put up with it since it owes us this particular thing, not money, not apologies but acceptance that we have a burden we have to roll with and its a big one.

History / The heroic jump of the 1st Polish Independent Paratrooper Brigade [81]


No it makes you a citizen not a national, US never had a nation in any but legal sense.


In what way? Last i checked Poland was to become a first true democracy in Europe and partitions happened exactly to stop that rapid progress that was frightening the despotic powers around Poland.

In 1830 for example Kingdom of Poland (which is about 40% of the pre-partition territory) constituted 30% of all Russian Empires industry, thats huge for a "backward" country.


How did the West help Poland during the PRL years please?


Thats the problem with you, you're an ignorant idiot, Lwów was intact, Vilinus was relatively intact, at the same time Wrocław for example was destroyed in 85%, that beatifull town square thats here today? Its been rebuilt from scratch, the entire recovered territories were an absolute ruin while our eastern provinces were quite intact and held a large part of our industry (Lwów).


Again idiotic rubbish on your part, want a list of accomplished mathematicians who died/fled vs those who stayed as an example? Poland lost over 90% of its elites.


You mean that same Poland that had 9% annual GDP growth in 1937, 11% in 38 and 12.5% by September 1939?

That same Poland that despite its severe underdevelopment was the fastest growing economy in Europe? (Pretty much like today just a lot faster and with only home grown funds).

Your point being?


How about we stop with made up examples, you've been in my Warsaw thread so we both know how much Poland lost, Ukraine and Belarus have always been turdholes with the only serious developments ever done by Poles but Poland proper is a 1000 years old country bled dry from its heritage.

History / The heroic jump of the 1st Polish Independent Paratrooper Brigade [81]


Which still doesnt make you Polish, take Sean for example, he's an educated fellow who's been here for a number of years and his general outlook is still completely alien to what you find among the natives.


No? Actually most people who b*tch about what WW2 and Europe did to Poland are Poles, everyone else either doesnt care or wants to forget about it because it might stain their country heroic image.


How nicely? We're 10-20 years behind the western countries after half a century of drainage by Russia, we do not have true national elites and it'll take another generation to raise them, we lost historical areas of Poland and got German dumps which we had to rebuild from scratch.

We recovered more then anyone else could in such a time with so little resources but we're still behind, we've been betrayed, sold and occupied with a quiet nod of the "allies" and you expect us to take it up the arse and keep smiling?


The consequences of your countries treason still bite us in the arse today, even on the personal level of income, we're poor because of russian occupation and russian occupation happened because the West allowed it, even our politicians are idiots because of WW2.

Our entire elite ended up in Siberia or Katyń, our national hero is an electrician ffs so dont tell me we recovered nicely, we recovered sh*t, not even a tenth of what we had and what we were before WW2.


Dude you have sockpuppet accounts for both men and women, you claim to have friends in every single country around the world, you claim to be Ukrainian, Polish etc, by this time people dont know whether you're a man or a woman you make stuff up so much.

If we were discussing life on Mars you would have a sister bulding a martian colony, how about you shut the **** up you bloody compulsive liar

History / The heroic jump of the 1st Polish Independent Paratrooper Brigade [81]


Untill you discuss history with them then you'll notice 99.9 percent of literate populace did not move on, of course you're a foreigner and so absolutely ignorant of our view.


How about you f*ck off and let us speak about it if we want to? Its our country that was raped to a point beyond recovery not yours, it only goes to show 70 years is a short time and only foreign fuckwits call us to move on, we did but thats not the same as forgetting.

History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]


LMAO! :))

History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]

Surprised? Just because your third world shythole of a country even became aware of itself only 100~ years ago doesnt mean everyone was like you peasants, when you little savages lived in huts of straw and mud we already had more then half a millenium of history behind us.

History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]


It controlled the grain, salt and cattle trade as well as supplied 2/3rds of ship building materials, it had the most innovative military (first serious handbooks on artillery were written by Poles) and could to a huge extent influence Austria, every country in HRE of the German nation, all Ruthenian countries, Low Countries, Baltic region etc, it was an european power.

As for Kiev it names comes from goat turd.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I'm saying you're manipulating the facts to feed your eternal martyrdom hobby, in many cases police officers who'd refuse to round up Jews got sent to the holiday camps along with their entire family, also you present it as though everyone merrily helped kill Jews.

Write "the question is why some of non-German people helped Germans" and it'll be correct but you deliberately phrase it to create an impression that it was an european enterprise or something.


Ah so now the Jew is pointing a finger, next comes demand for money exactly like your fellow Jews in US did ah? They demand money from Poland for God knows what and their f*cked up "logic" is exactly the same as yours, i'm opposed to Jews deliberately lying about the scope of what happened to them.

Its a franchise and you and Jewish people like you use it cynically to get money and political concessions, you built your country on this and even in this discussion you cant escape it which frankly pisses me off.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I'm lost Sean, Germany was punished for the suffering and losses it incurred upon Europe during WW2, Poland won back its territories while France one of the main victims of WW1 got to occupy the Saar region, how is this travesty of justice?

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I tackled it before, German nation was highly dysfunctional in how militaristic it was, such a nation is good when it wins wars but when it loses social order and values collapse entire.

Most Germans were perfectly happy to let Jews murder Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Jews etc as long they got their pride back, basically it was a quiet "do what you want as long as you win wars for us mein Fuhrer".


And here we have a typical child of Jewish indoctrination "the world murdered Jewzz!!!!11"

News / Is Poland the only high minded country of Cental and Eastern European countries? [41]


Carefull what you wish for, you get to be neighbours with charming countries like Russia, Belarus and Ukraine.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I actually think he was deganged and mental, evil in my mind requires cold deliberation, being mental makes you sick rather then evil.


Putin is a good leader but an evil man, unlike Hitler this guy is coldly rational in murdering people.


Yep and he's responsible along with the german nation but i personally put it on some sort of mental ilness rather then rational evil.


Which in many ways makes him more dangerous because intelligent people like you can get wrong ideas about what he is and what he's not.

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Actually he was not, its very easy to kill on paper, do you know Hitler never saw any mass execution? He never even directly ordered one he had people for that.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]

Just wait another 70 years, we might well end up Israel of Europe.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


More or less, of course its also a hollow threat since Europe is largely indifferent or anti-semitic, France wont help since it doesnt like them, Germany and UK wont help since they have no business there and any politician in Poland who'd openly support a major Israeli war effort would be eaten by the general populace, even Agora and Gazeta Wyborcza, major jewish media efforts in Poland thread carefully.

Its not even that Poles are anti-semitic, they just ask too many questions and react violently to any incursions.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


I realise that i also realise that they will not resettle much longer given how their population is decreasing and money is thin given the situation of US, from the Polish point of view there's no Jewish problem.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


As pointed out Israel has no real friends, US is controlled but this too has its limits, any nuclear exchange with global effects might bring Holocaust no.2 around and this time without safe havens to which they can flee.

Israel is in a funny situation, it has nukes but not enough to nuke say Europe and if it nukes its enemies enough to bring them down as countries or even militaries it instantly condemns 100% of Israeli population to death through radiation poisioning.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


I just double checked it appears Jericho III has a range of 11.500km which means it can nuke any spot in Poland, in this light the topic takes on a whole different light, still they dont have enough nukes to squander them on countries totally irrelevant strategically.


Actually no, everyone knew they had them, everyone knew they were developing them, you cant hide stuff like that.


But thats technically impossible, south-east Poland mayyyyyybe but Germany, France, UK or Moscow no can do.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


They cant, their most advanced missiles are if memory serves 3000 miles in range i'm absolutely ignorant as far as geography but i'm pretty sure they're farther then 3000 miles not to mention nuking Poland would cause them to get invaded by pretty much everyone by simple principle of anything flying to Poland violating a whole lot of airspaces and waking up everyone in their path to the possibility of getting a nuke up the arse themselves.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


Of flying to the other hemisphere? No its not even with refueling.


Including Israel, nuking Syria means Jerusalem dies of radiation poisoning within 24hrs.


That would be a bloody stupid move against a country with bio-weapons.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]

Israelis dont have the rockets with range so they can run their mouth as much as they want.


Neither is Ksiądz Rydzyk but he's also a crackpot, every nation has their share of retards.

UK, Ireland / English teenager refused service at Polish shop [87]

Eat sh*t and die buddy, we did the work you didnt want to do and when your employers realised we can manage companies even better then wash dishes pissants like you started to moan.

How did our hard work bring your country down?


And what are you doing? You're speculating as well with the added difference that your speculation is undertoned with anti-Polish sentiments.

UK, Ireland / English teenager refused service at Polish shop [87]

A guy starting a business just to blow it all away on a sentiment? Puhlease, we'd serve a pig in blue stripes if it makes us money, the girl probably wanted to buy alcohol or whatnot and got pissy when they wouldnt budge.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


Really? Could please tell me please how it was in say Hungary? Czechoslovakia? Why were they so enthusiastically pro-communist?


On what facts do you base your assumption that the vast majority of Poles were for communism?

Check the popularity of communist party before WW2, and on what facts? The government had to regularly forge elections thats a fact and stone proof that in Poland communism was not supported.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


No, they decided not to fight and die quietly.


Exactly.


No they were "noble" because they resisted it for 40 years.


Again its either your lies or manipulations, Poles unlike Jews never accepted defeat, during the 125 years of partitions there were a total of 5 major uprisings two of which were regular wars and ultimately after 125 years the Poles took their freedom back themselves, no one gave it to them so whats your point?

There's simply no comparison with pre-Israel Jewish populace, Poles were always fighting even if there wasnt much hope, Jews just went sheepishly to the chambers.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


Absolutely.


Absolutely.I accept both however both the goverment and the army were detached from the direction the nation went, Invasion of Czechoslovakia just like the 50 years of communism in Poland were against the will of the vast majority of Poles, Poland like every country boils down to the people not the goverment.

You cant blame Poland for what was not our national sovereign decision, it wasnt even the sovereign decision of our leadership, refusal would mean joining the Czechs in the crapper.


You might want to check the numbers in Solidarność.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


All of them?:) You need to learn something about Poland before attempting disccussion.


Polish goverment did not represent Polish people, Poland was not a sovereign country therefore no responsibility can be taken for invasion of Czechoslovakia, resistance was continued from day one so that point is also moot.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


You mean the same communism that Poles were so crucial at toppling? The same communism that caused rebellious movements at various stages including 56? Its not my problem that you're a moron who doesnt know Polish history yet tries to discuss it.

Polish populace was by and large opposed to communism and whenever an opportunity arose opposed it ultimately being the key factor in topping down the Warsaw Pact.


Doesnt matter, they were extremely well organized in peace time, they were well organized when wiping out Poles as Soviet minions, but when it came to defending themselves suddenly it was a no go.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]

So we know he already anticipated the guy so there was no intel to be had, he expected William to land sometime soon, again you managed to quote an article that defeats your own point, good job:)


You're a bloody moron now you're acting like a prick as well, the fact is apart from few "uprisings" in larger Ghettos Jews went to death like sheep, in concentration camps most uprisings were organized by AK (Poles) rather then Jews, the fact is todays policies of Israel weigh heavily on the complex these people developed from walking sheepishly to their deaths in WW2.

History / Which nation were the biggest pussies of WWII? [120]


Yeah the guy fought a battle about 100~ miles north, it took him two and a half week to get to the battle site mainly because he found out Normans have landed a week after they did, your point?

There was no way to find out where and when someone is going to land, a few hundred years later during 100yrs it was a bit easier since you had to land an army near a large population centre but rapid responce was still impossible which is why the Brits managed to land wherever they bloody wanted.

Even in the 17th century rapid responce to landings was impossible, French dropped units to help the Irish for example.


Have some to comment, you come across as rather stupid as it is quoting wikipedia articles that actually defeat your point.