History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Like the Bible, you shouldn't take this so literally...I for one certainly don't feel like I am a chosen one. I am as human as can be with all my faults and good things...

Yep, the Ashkenazis converted themselves to Judaism at a later stage, but there is nothing wrong with that. Look at the Christians. If we were to follow that strict rule, nobody in Europe is a Christian de facto - they all converted to Christendom at a later stage. What I don't understand is: why is it to some such a big problem that Ashkenazis converted themselves at a later stage onto Judaism, while it is apparently not such a big issue that 100 per cent of the European population converted themselves to Christendom at a later stage? I am descending from Sefardic Jews (my anchestors came from Portugal), but I see the Ashkenazis just as much as Jews as I see the Sefardic as Jews. See what I mean?

Edit: ps if I were to follow the dreaded "Khazar" theory for the Christians, then NOBODY in Europe is a true Christian as nobody was there to convert themselves and follow Jesus Christ. Am I wrong on that? Don't think so.

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M-G (it doesn't make any difference anyway)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


I don't, titty, I'm just asking you to be a bit more precise and clear. Thanks.

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M-G (thought that was clear enough in the first place?)

Jorissa probably didn't intended it this way, but she is extremely funny by posting this.

Are you 23, blonde and big b00bs and have a thing for older men?

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M-G (just kidding, you don't have to be 23)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Are you talking about the Jews, titty, or about the anti-semites? It's not really clear; maybe you could enlighten yourself, boobie? Thanks.


True, but it was equally divided amongst the Ashkenazi (FYI: Ashkenazi are Jews too) and the Sefardic Jews... But that shouldn't be an issue anyway.

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M-G (gee)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Was it the fault of the Jews that this little boy made up a story that he was kidnapped by Jews and that he "saw them drink the blood of christian babies"? Isn't it true that before he died, I believe it was in the 90's, this boy admitted that it was all a made up story, whispered in his ear by his dad? Wasn't it true that this fals accusation lead to the hysteria that lead to the killing of dozens of Jewish citizens of the town of Kielce? Isn't it true that these very same Jewish civilians just had come back to the place where they were born and raised? Isn't it true that crazed mobsters searched passing trains for Jews and killed them when they found them? Isn't it true that this pogrom was instigited, deliberated and executed by Poles? And wasn't it true that some of the ringleaders of this mob were sentenced to death by the Polish government? You tell me, how could this NOT be a Polish mistake, ironside? What did the Jews exactly do to provoke their killing? What was the Jewish part in this, except being the victim? What exactly is a lie in all this, ironside? Pls stop being so obnoxious, otherwise I will have to stop to take YOU serious.


Indeed, incidents like the Kielce pogrom were just what they were: incidents, be it very unfortunately timed incidents. Usually everything comes down to timing and starting a pogrom against the remaining survivors of the biggest mass murder of all times, just ended a mere year before, is clumsy, to put it pleonastically. It did send a ripple through Europe and I think it is co-responsible for the birth of the idea in America and Israël that the Poles might just be co-responsible for the Holocaust, even though they weren't. Like I said in a previous post, whinging and whining does no good to the Polish cause, so I think they should simply stop it, remember what has happened, but stop nagging about it; it will create quite some goodwill for them in Europe and outside of Europe. But that's just my opinion.

Don't know the exact numbers, but I know for sure that it weren't 300.000 that were killed. The numbers you mentioned are more accurate.

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M-G (rushes off to the off-licence as a Good Friday without alcohol is not a good friday indeed - especially not in Dublin town)

Travel / Why some travelers hate Poland? [45]


Don't know, I'm not responsible for what other Jewish ppl think, say or do. For me it was always clear who was responsible for the Holocaust and that was all I tried to say with this. I think it's mainly an American invention though. Here in Europe everybody knows it wasn't the Poles, although many do remember the fact that many of the campguards were Ukrainian, Latvian and Lithuanian. I am sure there will have been some Poles among them, but generally the Poles are not accused by Europeans as far as I know.


Too late, I took your helmet from you and you will only get it back if you give me my grandfather's bicycle back! Ha!

:)

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M-G (has to hurry to get some alcohol at home as tomorrow no alcohol is to be had here in Dublin)

Travel / Why some travelers hate Poland? [45]


I think Beelzebub wants to destroy the Jewish youth :)

Anyway, when I was young I never was taught that the Poles were guilty of the Holocaust, even those sparse times when I attended Sjul as a boy with my grandmother, we were only taught that the Nazi's or the Germans were guilty, nobody else.

Edit: let's go blame Bratwurst for everything :))
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M-G (tiens)

Travel / Why some travelers hate Poland? [45]


I back up this vote with a second vote for king of fools RN. He remains in the top 5 of the shytelist for smearing the Iish' good reputation as well.

RN:
"May the shyte of a 1000 pigeons land upon your head" (old Tallaghian saying)

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M-G (grin)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


That's not the point that I wanted to make. The point was that whenever some attrocity (doesn't matter if it's against the Jews or any other ppl - although it's mostly against this group anyway) is mentioned, Poles start saying "you hate Poland, did you know what THEY did?" It's like a little child that doesn't want to take responsibility for its actions. Face it, it's not the fault of the Jews that the Kielce Pogrom took place. It's solely the fault of the Polish. So far any past pogroms. It's time to leave the past behind and move forward to a bright future. A future only pssbl when PL FINALLY leaves the past the past and stops whining how bad they have been treated in the past. Nowadays they are treated pretty well, so there is no reason at all to complain or to nag about sth that has happened 2000 years ago, ok?

Can't you see that this constant nagging about the past and the Jews, other countries in Europe will get sick of it? It blocks your own progression. Learn from the past, enjoy today and look forward to a bright future as my grandmother (yes, she was Jewish) used to say and STOP WHINING ABOUT THE PAST. Now, be a good boy and get me some decaf coffee, will ya?

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M-G (decaf)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Just a question: why can't you Poles accept things you've done wrong in the past WITHOUT saying: "yeah, but THEY..." ? It sounds so childish, you know.

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M-G (nearly has to go)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]


Nope, because before WW1 he already had anti-semite tendencies.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

The most common explanations of Hitler's hatred towards Jews before WW1 are:

1. it was a Jewish doctor who brought him the news that his beloved mother was going to die from breast cancer;
2. Apparantly he had at one point a Jewish landlord in Vienna which wasn't the nicest of persons and eventually kicked him out when he couldn't pay the rent anymore;

3. he needed somebody or some group to blame for his own failure: he saw rich Jews in Vienna living their rich life while he was living on the street and when he started to attend the readings of the Vienna mayor Karl Lueger;

4. his love for the music of Richard Wagner, whos writings and views were highly anti-semitic.
5. He always thought (incorrectly, btw) that his dad was Jewish, or at least half-Jewish, and his dad was a rampant tyrant, beating him up all the time.

This would have been not such a big deal as many ppl thought this way at the time. Yet nearly nobody came to actually act upon these ideas. Hitler could and did. Why is this? Also there are some common explanations for this:

1. first of all, he came to power of course and Hitler is proof of what happens when a psychopath comes to power (if he hadn't come to power, he probably would've killed somebody);

2. during WW1 he survived several gas attacks. It is a known fact that soldiers who had to endure gas attacks became psychotics due to the chemicals that got into their brains. Hitler was no exception to that. Only difference was of course that he came to power.

But generally it's quite a mystery why Hitler became such rabiate anti-semite. He apparently was a very sensitive boy during childhood who even had Jewish friends with whom he played.

But by far the biggest mystery is why the architect (or main executor so to say) of the Endlösung was an anti-semite and fanatical Nazi, Heinrich Himmler. There is nothing in this man's childhood or youth that gives any explanation for his evil and cold calculated anti semitism. The only one could lie in the remark of his father who once said about young Heinrich Himmler: "that boy is born to become a criminal - he has a very evil streak".

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M-G (tiens)

USA, Canada / Can Polish citizens with US greencard travel to Canada? [63]


Should be pssbl. My brother has a green card and alien registration, but still holds his Dutch passport. He has been to Canada a few times without any trouble.

His wife has it even easier: she is a native American and she only needs to show her birth certificate and gets everywhere within North America - it's a privilege native Americans have.

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M-G (I believe you get a stamp in your passport when you enter Canada)

Love / Woman 23, man 47 years old. What do you think about ? [162]

Hm, again the old joke:

Woman of 50 gets a "toyboy" of 21 - she is showing her attractiveness and femininity;
Man of 50 gets a "toygirl" of 21 - he's just an old pervert.

When a woman says to me that I am too old for her, I usually reply with "ah, so you don't feel mature enough for me?" and then I smile and walk away.

There has to be some age difference imo - preferrably about 5 to 10 years is best. Women are quicker grown up than men: 5 to 10 years senior to the woman you're dating covers that gap perfectly.

I wouldn't date women older than I am as they have too much baggage (I have my own baggage, and cannot use anyone else's extensive baggage as well) and I won't date any girl between 18 and 23 for longer than one night. It doesn't work out anyway as the two stages in life are too different in the long run. But that's just my opinion.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Can Poland expect similar bomb attacks as in Moscow? [85]


Not particularly blow themselves up, but they did other things...Plenty of other things. Even today, though incidentally, but they still do it in the US...

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M-G (respect is all that matters)

USA, Canada / My boyfriend is being deported to Poland because his US visa expired, help needed [53]

I am sure it's a very sad story, but what would she expect else? She overstayed her visa and she knew that was the penalty. She should've found a guy to marry, if she wanted to stay.

I'm sorry, don't want to be harsh, but did she really think she could just move in and out of the country on a Visa that has been expired for 4 years?

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M-G (I do appreciate the sadness in the story, but if you start with that, ALL stories are sad and tearjerking - and in the meantime...)

USA, Canada / My boyfriend is being deported to Poland because his US visa expired, help needed [53]

Yeah well, that's too bad isn't it? It's normal that he is deported - he overstayed his visa, so when they catch him, he's going out. And it's good that way. I cannot understand it when ppl say that it's ridiculous when this happens. It's normal procedure and everyone knows this may happen when you get caught overstaying your visa, so don't cry now.

I read a post in this thread that a girl who overstayed her visa for 4 years and then went back to PL for a family visit, cannot enter the US for 10 years. And this is ridiculous, Sledz? Hell no, it's normal. She did something wrong and she has to pay for it. She did NOT have a visa, was therefore illegal and if she thinks she can just go in and out of the country, she is proven wrong now. And I personally think it's good this way. If you wanna live in the US, do the effort, get a long term Visa or find yourself someone to marry.

Sorry, but I think your bf deserves to be deported.

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M-G (if I do sth criminal and they catch me, I go to jail too, right?)

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]

Yeah, and I am sure there will be a Pole who wants to wipe Israël off the map.

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M-G (margins - margins)

Life / I'm from Polish descent. CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE EU TO ME? [115]


Absolute nonsense. We pay the most while you Greek f*ck up all the time and lie to the rest about your finances, all the while dragging us down. I was never in favour of Greece joining as it would bring a lot of crap into the EU and I hate to be right once again.

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M-G (Greece out)

Life / I'm from Polish descent. CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE EU TO ME? [115]


If you, like you say, live in the US, why did you vote "no" for the Euro? What's it to you? The Euro, monstrous as it may be, is a blessing, especially for the traveller. No worries about having to change currencies, losing money in the process, etc.


There is considerable pressure on the UK to adopt the Euro and the British government understands that it would be very advantageous for the UK to adopt it as it would strengthen their economic position.


Well, they wanted to join themselves. Nobody forced any state to join the club. However, I think it's wrong to merely look at the size of population as far as votes are concerned. I think the length of membership should count more and that in this respect it should be only France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg and Italy who should call the shots. Another option would be that the countries who pay the most should call the shots; which in this case would be Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands.

All the rest wanted to join, so they would have to adhere. It's very simple. And if they don't like it, learn to love it. Nobody forced them to join and nobody is forcing them (yet) to stay in. They can always leave if they think it's better for them.

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M-G (is not opposed the EU, but thinks that all the new members have a far too big mouth)

Life / I'm from Polish descent. CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE EU TO ME? [115]

Things went wrong wen the original 6 started admitting other, usually poor countries like Greece, Portugal, Ireland, the entire former East Bloc and so on. It should've stayed the core of 6 states, all rich and not burdened by these poor suckers who only drag things down. It's my personal opinion that the EU should go back to the original six and leave the golddiggers to fix their own mess. These poor bastards get billions each year from Brussels, hence only cost us, the rich countries, money and yet they are always complaining the hardest. Ungrateful buggers.

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M-G (back to the nucleus of the EU: the original six with the addition of the UK, Danmark and Sweden)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]


The beans song:

He ate 16 cans and what'd you get?
A mighty full stomach and farting in bed.
I want to go to toilet, but I can't go...
There's still 6 cans left on the stove

(in the melody of the refrain of 16 tons by Tennessee Ernie Ford)

Like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=zUpTJg2EBpw

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M-G (the bean song)

History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]

There is a difference between uneducated morons like me that like to keep things unbiased and uneducated morons like you that will do everything to show the glory and grace of their motherland. The latter is a bit sick.

The Ottomans were stopped in the battle of Vienna, not in the battle of Grunwald. It was one of the reasons why the Habsburgs could rise to such a power in Europe. While I'm not claiming the article to be true ( I didn't read it), I just wanted to rebuke your claim that it was the 1st battle of Tannenberg that stopped the Ottomans. It didn't. It stopped the Teutonic knights in their invasion of Polish lands. However, in the long run it didn't make that much difference as PL may have been independent for 250 odd years, it was yet the Holy Roman Empire that still decided what happened in Europe. And PL was not so independent after all, they remained a sort of vassal of that empire for some 100 odd years.

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M-G (it would have made impact if a shift in the balance of power had taken place, but that didn't, so de facto it was an incident)

History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]

600 years ago there seems to have been a battle...I wonder what the influence of that battle nowadays would be? Hm...Lemme think...Zero, nada, zilch? Right answer :)

Oh yeah, forgot that it still has importance for some old souls that are at least 650 years old and are partying like it's 1499...

:)

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M-G (tiens)

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]


It's called the 21st century, dude, get used to it :) Oh, you want to stay in the 20th or the 18th? Well, fine with me, just go right ahead ;)


What are you talking about? You said yourself you don't visit PL, but keep in touch by watching polish soaps, LOL. Do you take yourself serious? Apparently not, otherwise I can't imagine you do.

Again a thread about nothing, just some conservative souls who spout their frustration about the changing world.

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M-G (if you don't like it, just get used to it, there ain't nothing that you can do to change it)

Life / A FILM ABOUT POLISH LIFE...with me as a star in it... [60]

Congrats, Wildrover :) Who would've known that in your autumn before the winter you would get such a chance to perhaps launch a second (or third?) new career ;)

Latvian girl? I thought she was Russian? Guess I don't keep track enough of your love life...

Ah, anyway, Latvian girls, Russian girls, Polish girls...Who cares; between their legs they all look the same anyway :D

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M-G (is happy for that old wolf)

News / German legal discrimination against Polish speakers [209]


Yeah, it's not my cup of tea as well. I've known an American girl once who was named April May June (!)

Actually, I made a mistake in my previous post, the Dutch version of Dorota would not be "Dorotha" but "Dorothea". Mea Culpa.

Edit: Ogien, ok, because it was not quite clear so far. There are too many morons out there indeed. Racism is a cancer in society and we can only cure this cancer by education. Because a lot of racism is born out of ignorance and if the ppl don't know about it, we much teach them.

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M-G (thinks Brian de Bruin is a ridiculous name, but that's just personal)

News / German legal discrimination against Polish speakers [209]


While I reject racism to any ppl to the core, I am just wondering why you put the word "Poles" in capitals? Is that because you think it's worse to be racist against Poles than to any other type of ppl? I guess so as a little bit further you go on that this deranged girl apparently adopted Hitler's view concerning the Slavs.

My question to you would be: do you find racism against Poles worse than to black ppl and Jewish ppl? In my book it's equally disgusting, but from what you write it seems that you think it's worse to discriminate against Poles than to any of those other two types of ppls. I may be wrong, but I would like you to enlighten on this as you are giving by this statement the very racist signal that it's ok to be racist against blacks and Jews, but not ok to be racist against Poles. Thanks.

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M-G (it wouldn't surprise me, heard many Poles talk like that)

News / German legal discrimination against Polish speakers [209]


But how about Peter, is that not a real name to the Polish?

In NL it doesn't matter that much as long as, as I've said, it's a person's name, so not the name of a thing.

But it can lead to funny situations, for example, a friend of mine, her name was Joke (from Johanna - Jo, "ke" behind it makes it smaller, Joke means in Dutch therefore sth like "little Jo") had some trouble with her English penpal, troubles only got bigger when Joke was talking about her sister "Door" (from Dorotha - generally it's Doortje, "little Dora"). The exchange lasted perhaps two letters, then the English penpal didn't answer anymore.

:)

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M-G (true story)

News / German legal discrimination against Polish speakers [209]


So if I'm Polish and I have kids, I cannot name my boy "Peter" because the Polish equivalent is Piotr? What if I don't like the name Piotr and want to call my son Peter? Do I get a fine for disobeying the law or do I go to prison or sth? What happens? Who can force me to give my kids a name that I choose myself?

Edit: NB, I do admit that some foreign names sound a bit odd as in NL you're allowed to give your kid any name you like as long as it's a person's name (example: the only guy that was refused in city hall when wanting to enter his daughter's name in the census was the guy who wanted to call his daughter "Deurknopje", which means "Doorhandle") and "Agnieszka de Vries" does sound a bit weird, I agree, but I still think everybody should be free to pick a name for his children as long as it's an existing, person's name.

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M-G (wondering)

News / German legal discrimination against Polish speakers [209]


That's why I said "maybe" :)

But seriously: if it's controlled meetings, there must be sth more going on. At least where I come from, you don't get controlled meetings if not for a very good reason.

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M-G (tiens)