News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


Who is forcing you to go to the place that does you harm? You are going there by choice. Living with the idea that going to a pub is your right. It's not your right. Entrepreneurs built those places with their own money. They took the risk. They invested their money, time, sweat. You aren't doing anything but deciding to walk into the door because of the atmosphere. You like it there, that's why you go there and not to a non-smoking bar. Now you want to tell the person who risked everything to open a place that he should run his business in a certain way. A business in which you have invested NOTHING. Who's the selfish one here?

Again, the challenge is open, why are there no takers? Because you're not willing to put in the effort. And if you;re not willing to put in the effort and make the sacrifice, you shouldn't have a say. You have the freedom to go wherever you want, in Poland, that includes non smoking pubs. You chose not to go there. Why won't you go there? Show me that it's a viable business model, and I will adapt.

Food / Any królik (rabbit) fanciers on PF? [76]

Most people that squirm at the thought of eating rabbit or squirrel don't have a problem eating a burger or chicken tenders.

Hunt what you eat people! It's good for you, it's good for the environment!

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]

We are talking about air in a private establishment which you have chosen to visit. Not a public place. If there was a vote, and smoking was banned in public places, I could half way agree to that. Private property, no. Absolutely not. Property rights are what all other freedoms are built on, like it or not.

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]

Of course the do. Here it's terrible. They modify traffic patterns for noise avoidance. Traffic patterns exist out of safety grounds. In quite a few European countries you have people that picked up houses cheap (BECAUSE THEY ARE CLOSE TO AIRPORTS), they complain, and now every airport in Germany has a separate traffic pattern built around noise reduction, and not safety. It's insane. Smoking bans, same thing. People refusing to exercise the rights and expecting someone to clean up after them for their bad decisions. It's the basis of selfishness.

Hey, if any of you want to pay my rent, I'll make my place in Split non smoking. Deal?

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


Sounds wonderful, my place is in Diocletian's Palace, no chance of a beer garden. On the other hand, no worries about idiotic smoking laws as Split has opted out...


No one is forcing you into the pub. Unless you can disprove that, you're just complaining about the noise from the airplanes being too loud because you bought a cheap apartment in the flightpath of an airport.

Law / Motorcycling Business In Poland [10]

I just got back from a quick ride. Probably the last one for a while. The nine months of cold and rainy has started.

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


The place you're talking about makes it's money by selling you poison.


Read up in the thread. There're area a couple of links (with places in Poznan).


I quit smoking a while back, but anyway, I'm speaking as the owner of a bar, not a patron. Why are you telling me how to run my place? Just don't come to my establishment if it bothers you. Isn't that easy enough? You don't pay the rent. Smokers drink more, they drink more spirits and mixed drinks. The economical trade-off isn't equal.

News / Designer drugs kill 18 in Poland [32]


Or rather, not after. Completely legal in the Czech Republic though. In Poland you can go to jail for inadvertanly picking one. Yup, jail time for picking the wrong the mushroom, crazy world.

Also avoid these:

News / Designer drugs kill 18 in Poland [32]

It's these little guys you're after in Polska:

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


For the majority of my lifetime, non smoking bars were used like any other marketing device, and they weren't the norm (still aren't in the majority of the world).


You don't have too, but the proof is in the puddin'. Anyway, for me it's still a private property rights issue. It'll be sad to see the small places go to placate a couple of people too lazy to vote with their wallets.


Anyway, Holland is reversing the ban for small pubs.

reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A347820101104

Also, in Scotland, you non smokers really need to pick up the slack:

ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/1/149.full

Results We found that the Scottish ban led to a 10% decrease in sales [P = 0.02, 95% confidence interval (CI) −19% to −2%] and a 14% decrease in customers (P = 0.02, 95% CI −26% to −2%).

It's a handout to large pubs. The Dutch realize it, and the every country has evidence backing it.

Classifieds / English cuisine week in Lidl shops in Poland [203]


Is that Cheddar any good? How does it compare to that Old Irish stuff that's usually on sale around here?

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


You might want to check who is lobbying for this legislature (and who did in the UK).

The big boys can afford to comply, and won't be impacted. The little guys obviously can't, and the business that is lost by their smokers going to big places won't be made up by people that will now go out to the pub 5 nights a week instead of their usual 1 due to the smoke.

Small places will be affected, and you'll end up with crappy chain places all over the place like on the island.

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


There are enough. Apparently the concept isn't that popular though. People don't like going to non smoking bars for some reason.

News / Giant Jesus Rising in Świebodzin ( Tallest in world ) [323]

It was built privately. I don't understand the outrage...

News / Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!) [400]


Yup, so you can expect small pubs to lose quite a bit of business to large chain affairs. You reap what you sow...

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]

Gates said that? Really recent, eh? Anyway, you can pick your joint chief for a quote, Chairman Mullens is for repealing it:



The first was meant to allow speech critical of the government. Henry spoke out rather adamantly about it, as well as Jefferson, Madison, and Adams of course. No laws, to my knowledge, prevent private worship, or public worship for that matter.


The fellows I mentioned were hardcore deists. They were also Masons. I don't know if they're kids prayed in school, but I do know they went to private non state funded schools. The same kind that you can pray openly at today. Dunno about the rest of the US, but in Texas and Oklahoma, students and teachers can, and do, pray at school.


Thomas Paine would be a good read. Should I hit you with the quotes from the founding fathers? You could worship whatever you wanted at home. It was first and foremost built on civil liberties. Deists believe in a creator, just not the bible. Our oaths have been recently amended to include "god".


Doubtful, over and over it was mentioned that the government has no role in the personal lives of the citizenry, and that the people should be free to pursue their own ways with a bare minimum of State intervention, not to mention Federal intervention...


Referendum, vote, wash, rinse, repeat. That's why we have a Constitution....and any kind of legislation for that matter.

News / Designer drugs kill 18 in Poland [32]


They're just sending them in from Slovakia as the law was sloppy (as mentioned earlier in a previous thread).

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]

Looks like change is afoot. Which is ok, there will be ballot initiatives, and they will pass, or they will fail. There will be challenges, and we'll see where we're at in 20 years.


Right, so combat troops can decide if they see homosexuals serving with them as a threat. It'll be interesting talking to the psyops guys that lost translators because of DADT what they think, but hey, it's a good idea. There is a study going on right now polling the military on DADT. I agree with Gates that it's important to take that into account, and then send it to the Congress. Of course, Congress doesn't listen to the military much anyway, but, we'll see.


Some were deists, but "conservative Christian Founding Fathers" is a bit out there. There's a reason that we don't have a national religion and the word "god" is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Have a read through the federalist papers or some of the works of Adams and Jefferson to get a feel for what they wanted. Anyway, the Constitution doesn't define what constitutes marriage, it obviously should be a state issue and follow the local legislative processes.


Which is fair enough, George Wallace proved that it shouldn't have been handed down on a Federal level.

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Then you're a Statist, fair enough. I figured you more for a Federalist.


Combat troops are liberal activist enclaves?


Yup, that's fair enough. The neat thing about the Republic, is that the people can push change, both ways. Universal suffrage was shot down for a while as well, eventually adopted, and now we don't think twice about it.

Looking at demographical information on polls regarding social issues, it's just a matter of time...


They didn't want desegregation either. It's a relevant argument regarding the processes.

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Hilarious.


I'd suggest reading up on that incident before trying to make an argument based on it. It is sad that you'd mention something like that instead of actually providing something of substance.

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Why's that? Legal consenting adults being barred from marrying the person they love.


But interracial marriage by your definition is a special right. Blacks were free to marry any other blacks they chose, same goes for whites.


So if the people of a state support it (or better yet, a local municipality), you're ok with that?


Society changes over time. Apparently support for gay marriage is on the up. Guessing the next generation won't care (bigger issues obviously).


Doesn't harm me any, but friends. Personally, I think the state shouldn't be involved in marriage at all.


It has been proven in other militaries, where the exact same argument was made. It's not the US military, but same argument. Keep in mind, it's not European countries, but "Lib" countries like Russia, Czech Republic, Argentina, Taiwan, Israel...

Let combat troops vote on it with proper background. Most of those guys have served with gay troops from fellow NATO armies with no issue. I think you'd see that the guys in the field worry about completely other issues.

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Not if they're incapacitated. Give them the same rights as a spouse, problem solved. Anyway, don't cherry pick, you forgot the rest.


Because society never tied basic privileges and massive subsidies to marriage like it does now. Up until very recently interracial marriage was illegal in a lot of places. I suppose society was doing fine for thousands of years without interracial marriages, so that should be rolled back as well? Things change. Why should the state be allowed to say that two consenting adults of legal age shouldn't be allowed to take part in the subsidies and legal framework that is marriage? Doesn't make any sense. How does it harm you?


These guys are soldiers first. The unit cohesion argument has been proven not to hold up after removal of the ban. Anyway, US troops are already serving, and bunking, with openly gay British, Dutch, German, Australian, and French troops....and even female troops. The majority of the worlds armed forces have gay troops, no problems. Quite a few also allow women combat roles, no problems there either.

Genealogy / Adopted from Poland - share your experience [6]

Hi there,

Welcome to the forum. There are a couple of threads open on adoption. Just do a search in the top right hand corner for "adopted".

Travel / Very dangerous defrauding trend started in some hotels in Krakow [49]

Lots of US banks allow you to sign up online, without actually physically showing up. Right or wrong. They use scanned copies of photo ID and recent bills showing your name and address to prove your identity. There's a bit more than a little gap in that verification process. All of the online brokerages do it the same way.

Travel / Very dangerous defrauding trend started in some hotels in Krakow [49]

To open up a bank account, sign up for a trading account, get a credit card issued.

Lots of companies use it for proof of identity when you're signing up for an account online.

UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

Convex doesn't kiss and tell.... But I can tell you it was an honest to god Polish breakfast. Some of the best eggs I've ever had (fresh from the hen house!), there was a battle for the pickles (they were that good), and the rest was equally amazing :) But most of all, good people make the meal, and that was definitely the case :) . I would rather eat Mcdonalds with a good friend than eat at a place with Michelin stars with assholes.

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Dunno, I would want my kids first and foremost to be happy, should I choose to have them. My personal ideology would be irrelevant.

UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]


That is very true...the last Polish breakfast that I partook in was an extravagant affair, amazing eggs, sausage, uber sexy pickles...it was great! For bonus points, it was someone off of PF :)

Seriously though, a good 10 different dishes to choose from, plus the cold cuts and cheeses. An incredible outlay :)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Never heard that term before.

Some people are gay, some aren't What's the problem with it? If your kids turn out to be gay and completely happy, is there a problem? Why discriminate against someone for something so superficial?

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Fight against those other people. Choose your battles for maximum impact. If you boiled down what you actually don't like, and peruse that, you'll be much more effective than going after a broad group.