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Is anyone in Poland planning a trip in Croatia? [26]
When Serbian say.... ``Croats committed genocide on Serbs in WWII`` or ``Genocide on Serbs during WWII happened in Croatia``... Serbian in his mind don`t have modern day Croatia in its entirety but exactly think of Zagreb and surrounding area as Croatia. Why Zagreb? Because that is ethnic Croatia in original. Because it was there where some 150 years ago on Catholic conference was decided that all Serbian Catholics have to become Croats. Because there, in WWII, Nazi ustashe were organized. From Zagreb they set in trucks and moved in other regions of German puppet state of Croatia, to commit genocide on Serbs. So, those ustashe from Zagreb agitated among Catholics (and among Muslims) and more or less successfully inspired formation ustashe on local levels- in Lika, Banija, Kordun, Slavonija, Bosnia, Herzegovina. They tried to rise local ustashe in Srem but they failed. Genocide on Serbs in Srem happened but only by those who came from outside. So, most of ustashe was recruited in Zagreb and neighboring areas. But most importantly, genocide on Serbs never happened in Dalmatia. Never. No matter every agitations. Catholics in Dalmatia showed resistance to ustashe Nazi ideology. At that moment, speaking of Dalmatians (and most of other Catholics of what is now Croatia), still were not Croats. They felt mostly to be Serbs or parallel with it had local Dalmatian or other regional identity.
What I want to tell you. It is that enormous pressure on Serbian ethnic being, constant investments of Germanic foreigners against ethnic Serbs. Austrians made a deal with Vatican- `We claim Serbian territory, you claim their souls`. In situation when Serbian Nemanjic imperial dynasty, itself originally Catholic, wanted independence from Pope and wish for independence led them to became Orthodox (by the logic, eastern Romans weakening and as Orthodox we are more independent), it was logical to Pope to support every Serbian opposition. Then, in all that Turks appeared on horizon bringing Islam. So, Serbians founded themselves tear apart between Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Islam, while at the same time tried to preserve connection to the pre-Christian Slavic faith. It is tragedy of history.
So, see, when Serbian say Croatia and speak about Croatian genocide on Serbs, its not same what people outside of the region comprehend as Croatia and Croats. People outside think about Croats as defined people, but its mistake. People outside think that it was Catholic-Orthodox conflict, while think of Serbians as solely Orthodox and Croats as solely Catholic. No, Croat identity is just suitable to foreigners. Croat identity is very similar to situation of Ukrainian identity. Not defined but, dependable on to say that way seasonal influences. It is foreign powers that tries to direct that identity how suits to their, foreign interests. One day maybe, after enough time, there would be separate Serbian and Croat identities but right now, this story isn`t finished yet.
Travel to Croatia but be informed what is Croatia. Because truth must be said.
Its not often that USA extradite their own citizens to judiciary system of some foreign country. This is about Azra Basic, Muslim woman from Bosnia that was member of Catholic ustashe fanatics. Led by Nazi-Muslim ideology she founded herself deeply involved during Civil War in former Yugoslavia. After the war, she escaped to USA.
If you think how is unthinkable that Muslim extremist can, side by side, fight together with Christians against other Christians, you would learn that such a thing can represent reality.
Within next article is video. There is warning how video could be upsetting. On video you can see how Muslim woman Azra Basic member of Catholic Croat ustashe formation committing crimes on Orthodox Serbs by drawing crosses on their backs with knife and cutting throats to some other Serbs (NOTE: Court in Hague in dramatic turnover of events, freed Serbia from accusation that Serbia was aggressor in Bosnia and in the same time, having strong proofs, declared Croatia to be aggressor in Bosnia- so these ustashe were part of official forces of Croatian state).
article and video below within article:
b92/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=23&nav_id=1350320
Extradition from USA >
youtube.com/watch?v=pXJoOP8zW_8
Spot this. Article by German author and let me tell you, rare example how are Germans capable to tell truth > one more good insight what you can expect in your trip to Croatia >
Croatia described as "land of hatred and intimidation"b92/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=25&nav_id=103352
Croatia as a country fostering a climate of hatred and intimidation, and one "increasingly moving to the right" - while ruled by "a radical political discourse where the keywords are 'enemy, homeland, nation, and, treason'."
To your especial attention I suggest this quote from same article >
"In the national heroism narrative, the role of the enemy is reserved for the Serbs - unless they give up on their national identity and declare themselves to be Croats," Deutschlandfunk said in its report.
See? In Croatia, Serbians are enemies until they become Croats. Its more easy with Catholic Serbs. They just had to suffer cultural genocide and be witness of open genocide on Orthodox Serbs and they frightened in masses accepted to be labeled as Catholic Croats. No, they actually never accepted. Nobody asked them and they were silent, in fear. With Orthodox Serbs was more difficult. 1/3 (700.000) was massacred, 1/3 converted to Catholicism and then Croatinized and 1/3 ethnically cleansed.
Interesting how one tiny region- Zagreb and its surroundings, with support of certain powers, stretched its Croat name and with it newly formed national identity onto the Dalmatia, Istria, Slavonia, Lika, Banija, Kordun and western Srem. Proof how everything becoming possible when one have support of real powers behind himself.
But, things change and new winds blowing. Winds that bringing truth.
