History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Apologise for Mel Gibson, then talk about manners.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


There's a difference, our leaders mistakes or lack of thereof wouldnt change anything except buying us 5-6 more weeks , doing the right thing at the right time by France and UK would have ended the war there and then.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Well you did sell us up the river and we like to remember such stuff, do you get pointed at by Poles in UK? Do you get treated worse because of it? Did someone demand money from you on the basis of being British?


Of course not, Poland was the great loser of WW2, sold and betrayed by France, UK and USA and ravaged by Germany and Russia, you can't expect us to forget all that and as far as i know it doesnt influence our personal relations in UK or our work efficiency, we're also unlikely to go genocidal on anyone because of it so whats the issue here?


Sorry to sh*t on your carpet just make sure your kids dont do the same to Poland when you become a caliphate.

The fact is it annoys people that a poor country that they just found even exists has pretentions, it cramps their style, no one likes the poor, especially the poor that demand moral recognition.


Pecunia non olet :) No one said we hate UK, and we love your money.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


No you cretin, they decided to not attack Germany at Abbeville, that was against the spirit and the letter of all agreements and thats called treason.

As for the logic that UK couldnt do anything, UK had a massive fleet and 100~k modern troops that it could land anywhere from Calais to Constanta.

No one is unreasonable in that allies should have taken on Russia, but they could have say so openly to Poles and help us preserve our national integrity abroad, instead they abandoned Poland and all Poles, even the ones who defended Britain.

Even today there's fruits of this, the 1939 Polish-German war was one of the more savagely fought campaigns of WW2 while the western history attempts to sell it as a minor action, the West not only betrayed Poles but continues to belittle their role today to shove their own immoral acts under the carpet along with all of Poland, sorry for not being good little Poles and keeping quiet about it.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Blame for what?


Could you please name a few polish mistakes that Poland blaims on someone else?


So its about British treason, a british person bytches about those pesky foreigners bearing a grudge against the british treason:)

Sorry but we have a point and remembering how f*cked up the West is is ceirtanly worth it, if just not to make a mistake by throwing our lot with the Brits in the future so i'm a big fan of the "blame culture".


Nobody on these forums ever said or implied you owe us anything, the sentiment is just that you're a pile of unreliable focks who're a completely worthless political partner, you still are by the way given how the West acted when Kaczyński bit the dust.

News / Polska A ['educated'] scoffs at Lech Kaczynski [24]


Which we shouldnt do for another 10 years since we cannot afford it, yet another proof that PO attempts to destroy our armed forces.


Well trained conscripts are useless?


But its not, every złotówka that can be taken away by PO and its thugs is taken away as a result we're not getting any "useless" foot soldiers and not much modern equipment either.


Honestly you should start sentences with a capital letter, the fact is that Platforma Obywatelska and its associates have been steadily destroying our military by taking away more then 15% of our total annual military budget and allocating it... where?

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


That we wont know, all we know is that two companies of french chasseurs opened up on Poniatowskis retinue, i'd guess it wasnt deliberate but who knows.


Poland benefitted whenever Napoleon won a war in the region, we were nothing but a tool and he milked Poland for money (Bajonne loans) and men but everything that weakened our partitioners was to our benefit.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Napoleon didnt order the charge, it was against his express orders actually.


Which is why he lost 8000 more men than the attacker?


Because you say so?:)


Actually the "stupid russian venture" had every chance of succeeding and did not mostly due to bad luck and Napoleons illness that severely impaired his judgement.

News / Polska A ['educated'] scoffs at Lech Kaczynski [24]


I've been talking about Gągor here, we could write a book about whats not to like, suffice to say he backed Klichs politics of cutting our military budget left right and centre.


No argument here.

News / Polska A ['educated'] scoffs at Lech Kaczynski [24]


Count Wrzeszczowicz from "The Deluge" comes to mind.


Not really, they've been replaced often by much more capable men, for example Gągor was a scourge.

Life / Standards of Living in Poland [42]


1350-1400 Euro or 4500-4800 zł if you earn 1500 Euros.


A 5000 Euro salary in Germany or 3500 Pounds in UK.


Its high enough to live comfortably (alone, and i know you dont have a girlfriend since you're a fag) anywhere in Poland.


You're in a sh*tter, unless you're working with a team thats fluent in english, also everyday life would be a bytch, in other words dont move here :))))

News / Polska A ['educated'] scoffs at Lech Kaczynski [24]

Convex first of all this forum is about people who either dont live in Poland or been here on holidays coming and insulting all things Polish.

Then we get Varsovians who suddenly feel like speaking for Poles.

There's maybe one thread daily that discussed actuall life in Poland for or from foreigners pov, the rest is either anti-Polish trolling or just regular trolling.


He was not, people arent mourning Kaczyński as a person but Kaczyński as a seat of power, for you democratically elected officials are something normal for 60~ years, many of older Poles still remember how shytty it was not having basic liberties, many of the younger ones are smart enough to realise that even without remembering, thats why we're mourning a chair as much as a person in it.


Yeah so do i but i'd still shoot the f*ckers for ever expressing them since i dont like them at all.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Its alleged, Poniatowski's retinue was shot at from close range and this is known in any number of polish (and a much smaller number of french publications) for example in Bellonas "Bitwa ludów", the allegation is taken as certain (and french admitted to it in 2005) since the crossing he used at Elstera was p*ss easy and he went under directly after being shot at.

News / Polska A ['educated'] scoffs at Lech Kaczynski [24]

You and people like you should have never been let into Poland, human trash like you interbreeding with our people affects our genepool.

I'm focking tired of foreign ignoramuses speaking as if they know anything or speaking for us Poles, i've seen you issue authoritative opinions time and again in the name of this group or that, take your whiny kid and gtfo to wherever you came from before another bad teacher spanks her.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


As long as i get the other half:)


Yes he had, both at Jagiellonian University and in Italy.

Study / Is there a lot of racism in Warsaw (Brazilian student's question) [83]

I have a few american friends a few of them blacks and they enjoy Warsaw, apart from a few random occurences that might happen anywhere you'll discover Poland much safer than anywhere in US.


If you dont like it you might gtfo from Poland as well:)

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


Erm the most he had to do with Germans was killing them with his sword, thats not a very good example! :)

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Most unusual in his participation in massacres of Pleśnica or in sending people to Stutthoff?

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Nope, except for british ones (obviously) they say its a prusso-british victory and all agree that Wellington was getting his arse kicked:)))

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Absolutely and thats the correct way of putting it, France lost Waterloo but Wellington didnt defeat Napoleon:)

If anyone, Blucher did and even that was only because of his arrival rather than his qualities.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Example that says Wellington won at Waterloo please? Preferably non-british:)))))


Losing 50% of his army against Napoleon losing barely 12%? Even total French losses which increased dramatically after the 1st prussian core entered the battle were lower in percentage than British losses.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

He has beaten the british at every engagement, destroyed 50% of their forces and rendered them unable to pursue when he withdrew due to prussian reinforcements.

Not only did Wellington waste half of his army, failed to meet any objective he placed ahead of himself (sound defeat of Napoleon included) but was soundly losing untill and during the prussian arrival, sorry to burst your bubble.

We can go even further and say that Napoleons surrender was not due to Waterloo but due to 75.000 austrians at Piemot, further 250.000 thousands on the Rhein, 170.000 Russians of Barclay and combined prusso-british 200.0000 men forces in Belgium.

All in all over 700.000 men when Napoleon could marshall less then 120.000.

Waterloo was simply the last effort of a man completely devoid of realism, after it he realised he can no longer win (after depopulating France) but Wellington by himself didnt win, he didnt even perform well.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


But not to Wellington so your point is?

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Eventually yes, in 1815 he was fighting England, Spain, Austria, Prussia and Russia without an army of his own, Wellington was just one of the commanders, he wasnt the most skilled, the most crucial and as Waterloo proved nowhere near Napoleons level.

His victories were in major parts due to helping coincidence, larger numbers and far less skill, when he was put in unfamiliar territory against an enemy of equal strength he performed poorly.

In fact the only reason why the army was kept intact at all (at Waterloo) was the courage of highlanders and KGL rather than any of the number of inept decisions Wellington made.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Same thing that happened to your braincells, he's dead :))))

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Nope, Prussians won, we can't even say that he held out since he lost half his army and was in the process of losing the rest.

You compare him to Napoleon who repeatedly defeated enemies twice his number, defeated an enemy occupying the other side of a huge river at Wagram (considered undoable in those times) and you're saying that a guy who outnumbered his enemies, had entire population devoted to him and even then the few major victories he won were particulary bloody and hard fought is equal or superior to Napoleon, thats a joke?

When he faced Napoleon directly he proved to be inferior, without Bulovs troops he was losing and even with Bulovs troops he was unable to capitalise on his victory since he exhausted his army.

You want to compare Wellington to someone, compare him to Poniatowski, both were very good competent and innovative commanders but not Napoleon, Massena or Murat level military geniuses, they even fought the same war of manouvers.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

Nope, Prussians won the battle for him, he lost every possition crucial for offense or defense including La Hay Sainte and lost 50% of his forces, he didnt win anything, he was saved by Bulovs core.

Ompteda, Kielmansegg and Von Kruse for example already had their brigades broken, Wellington won nothing, he was simply losing slow enough that Prussians managed to arrive and save him and even that was not easy with Plancenoit considered.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Against some of the least capable Napoleons marshalls yes, not against Murat, Ney or Oudinot, the French were typically outnumbered and led by less then competent leaders since the penninsular war was backwater to conflict like 1809 Wagram battle.

When he confronted Napoleon himself he suffered a tactical defeat, lost all his cavalry, had his most precious units bled out and lost all key positions, by the time the 1st prussian core arrived Wellington was reduced to a last stand position.


Awww by the way the irish rifles battalion displayed severe cowardice at Talavera breaking at the very sight of french hussars :))))

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Which is why he was losing at Waterloo and was only saved by Prussian intervention:)

He was competent but when directly facing Napoleon he was markedly inferior, by the time the prussian 1st core arrived Wellingtons army was completely incapable of anything but defence.

History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]


Poniatowski didnt drown, he was shot by friendly fire from the french troops while crossing Elster river.