1jola
18 Dec 2009
Life / Ripped Off in Poland? - Expose here: [185]
OK, you bought batteries and...
In Bochnia I bought a pack of brand new DURACELL batteries from a decent-looking shop in "Pod Filarami".
OK, you bought batteries and...
1jola
18 Dec 2009
News / The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland [240]
There were no Jews in this camp when the sign was made. The camp was designed for Polish political pisoners and Polish prisoners were forced to make the sign. When they did, they tried to sabotage it in a small way, as best as they could. See if you can spot it:
There were comments, mine for example, pointing out major Jewish newspaper's innacuracies, and the idiotic statements by one Jew quoted in the article. How is that anti-Jewish, sweetie?
I can't believe there are anti-Jewish comments in this thread. Shouldn't we join together in outrage against the criminals instead? Shame on you.
There were no Jews in this camp when the sign was made. The camp was designed for Polish political pisoners and Polish prisoners were forced to make the sign. When they did, they tried to sabotage it in a small way, as best as they could. See if you can spot it:
There were comments, mine for example, pointing out major Jewish newspaper's innacuracies, and the idiotic statements by one Jew quoted in the article. How is that anti-Jewish, sweetie?
1jola
18 Dec 2009
News / The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland [240]
From Haaretz:
LOL. Stolen last night. Those Polish cops are slow.
And what does this have to do with anti-Semitism? Polish prisoners were made to construct the camp and the sign for a camp for Polish prisoners not Jews. Birkenau was for Jews.
The museum has always been free. There are no ticket sales. Jews should know that, if anyone should.
From Haaretz:
Information and Diaspora Minister Yuli Edelstein (Likud) said in response that "this is one the Polish police's biggest failures," adding that" anti-Semitic events in the world are multiplying, and there is a valid fear for the safety of the Jews in the Diaspora."
LOL. Stolen last night. Those Polish cops are slow.
And what does this have to do with anti-Semitism? Polish prisoners were made to construct the camp and the sign for a camp for Polish prisoners not Jews. Birkenau was for Jews.
Hundreds of thousands of people visit the museum every year, but ticket sales are not enough to maintain the open-air site
The museum has always been free. There are no ticket sales. Jews should know that, if anyone should.
1jola
17 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
We outed you a long time ago. Besides, it is pretty stupid to insult someone when they know where to find you but don't know them.
When you sell information to SB about the oposition, you are useful to them. Later, he was instrumental in allowing them a soft landing. They are all well placed now.
You're pretty brave for somebody who hides behind anonymity and never says where he will be. My name is Harry and I often post about where I can be found in Warsaw.
We outed you a long time ago. Besides, it is pretty stupid to insult someone when they know where to find you but don't know them.
Walesa was useful to the cause of the Polish communists? After you with the crack pipe please.
When you sell information to SB about the oposition, you are useful to them. Later, he was instrumental in allowing them a soft landing. They are all well placed now.
1jola
17 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
If I put you in a concentration camp, will you be happy that now you live in a large "house" with a big yard instead of a small flat?
And in exchange Poland got the 'recovered' territories in the west.
If I put you in a concentration camp, will you be happy that now you live in a large "house" with a big yard instead of a small flat?
1jola
17 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Churchill, Rosevelt and Stalin. The only one missing was Hitler.
There wasn't much difference between Frank and the Soviet citizen Bierut as far as independent Poland went.
A laugh indeed. A foreigner taking me around in my home town to learn reality of communism. Maybe you could teach me how to make pierogi. LOL
There is always a chance that your neighbours are living in a flat stolen by communists from my family.
Your post is as funny as learning Polish history from Jews:
For more comedy read on here:
aish.com/jl/h/48952111.html
Absolute Bollocks. You were sold out by your own traitors, not the British. Was Britain a superpower at the end of WW2?
No, it had no influence. The Soviets, Polish communists and the Americans are to blame.
No, it had no influence. The Soviets, Polish communists and the Americans are to blame.
Churchill, Rosevelt and Stalin. The only one missing was Hitler.
Because Germany was the baddie and the Soviets were the chums back then...remember?
Without them you would still be under Hans Franks boot...
Without them you would still be under Hans Franks boot...
There wasn't much difference between Frank and the Soviet citizen Bierut as far as independent Poland went.
I invite you here to Warsaw, I'll put the kettle on for a nice cup of tea, and then you can go round my neighbours, mostly retired hospital staff, and ask them if they were slaves for forty years. Maybe I'll film their reaction for Youtube. Could be quite a laugh.
A laugh indeed. A foreigner taking me around in my home town to learn reality of communism. Maybe you could teach me how to make pierogi. LOL
There is always a chance that your neighbours are living in a flat stolen by communists from my family.
Your post is as funny as learning Polish history from Jews:
Poland became Christian very late, only at the turn of the 11th century, and only then did it join the European community of nations (so to speak). After that, it took a couple of hundred years before Poland started to emerge as a nation-state with strong development potential.
If you want to develop your country economically and culturally, who do you need?
You need Jews.
If you want to develop your country economically and culturally, who do you need?
You need Jews.
For more comedy read on here:
aish.com/jl/h/48952111.html
1jola
17 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Typical Harry statement. The Polish historians in question have doctorates and are well respected; Erving,? he isn't an historian as far as I know. Cheap shot as usual on your part.
Because there is a good chance that he was either an agent encore, or he was useful to their cause. He was so afraid of lustration that he organized a coup d'etat during the brief rule of Olszewski in 1993. Dispicable character.
You are not paying attention. He did just that, and it is a fact he used his position to request TW "Bolek" files and did not return them. Also, when you understand how SB files were organized, it was difficult to destroy all the cross-references in the archives. There is more than sufficient amount of evidence to confirm his collaboration. I know you are not interested in reading the available material concerning this issue; you'd rather keep up the myth. He threatened to sue - we are still waiting.
You have yet to say what you call him, but you do say what you don't call him. Weak.
Harry tends to do that often but he is more careful nowadays since he knows it is difficult to work with broken arms.
I know he has many appologists. Since you understand Polish, tell me, what do you think of this Soviet agent's career? You did watch the film I posted the link to, didn't you?
You certainly sound like one.
You're pushing the word 'historian' to its extreme limits there. Do you also describe David Irving as a historian? Or perhaps I'd better not ask
Typical Harry statement. The Polish historians in question have doctorates and are well respected; Erving,? he isn't an historian as far as I know. Cheap shot as usual on your part.
But let's run with your line of thought, let's say that there are documents in the archives which say Walesa was an agent. If those documents do exist, why:
a) Didn't the commies use them against Walesa when he was a pain in their arse?
a) Didn't the commies use them against Walesa when he was a pain in their arse?
Because there is a good chance that he was either an agent encore, or he was useful to their cause. He was so afraid of lustration that he organized a coup d'etat during the brief rule of Olszewski in 1993. Dispicable character.
b) Why didn't Walesa use the five years that he was president to make very sure that the archives had been scrubbed very clean? Instead of the half-arsed effort the 'historians' claim he made.
You are not paying attention. He did just that, and it is a fact he used his position to request TW "Bolek" files and did not return them. Also, when you understand how SB files were organized, it was difficult to destroy all the cross-references in the archives. There is more than sufficient amount of evidence to confirm his collaboration. I know you are not interested in reading the available material concerning this issue; you'd rather keep up the myth. He threatened to sue - we are still waiting.
It would be a lot better if you could possibly try to debate what I say, rather than what I do not say. I certainly do not recall describing Jaruzelski as a patriot.
You have yet to say what you call him, but you do say what you don't call him. Weak.
There's a certain type of person who, when they lose an argument, start to throw insults. None of them accurate.
Harry tends to do that often but he is more careful nowadays since he knows it is difficult to work with broken arms.
Jaruzelski "was" ('is'', perhaps fits better) respected by many - his party had over three million Poles in it. Even people who hated his politics say he "was no Ceaucescu".
I know he has many appologists. Since you understand Polish, tell me, what do you think of this Soviet agent's career? You did watch the film I posted the link to, didn't you?
No, I am not a communist.
You certainly sound like one.
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Daddy was a Party member and I'm sure you are doing well, communist filth.
No doubt to you Jaruzelski was a respected statesman. Komuch.
Written by students who are members of PiS.
Daddy was a Party member and I'm sure you are doing well, communist filth.
and stop writing small-minded and jejeune polemics about respected statesmen..
No doubt to you Jaruzelski was a respected statesman. Komuch.
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Why was an illegitimite Soviet goverment recognized? The international community should have recognized Hans Frank as the Polish President then also, no? Forget the gold for a minute. Did Britain have anything to do with selling their ally to slavery?
Like it or not, the PRL was recognised by the international community.
Why was an illegitimite Soviet goverment recognized? The international community should have recognized Hans Frank as the Polish President then also, no? Forget the gold for a minute. Did Britain have anything to do with selling their ally to slavery?
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
You are an idiot who thinks that they understand Polish politics because you... what... have read a few articles? Not even idiots claim that IPN is a tool of SLD(new communists).
You should stay out of discussions that don't concern you. Just because you happen to work in Poland doesn't qualify you to have understanding of Polish politics. You should really pause, look up what IPN does, and then speak up. Until then, you are making a fool out of yourself.
Great. Another foreigner pretending to understand Polish politics from English speaking sources. I can take you on on this one Harry. The 700 page book ( SB a Lech Walesa)written by Centkiwicz and Gontarczyk about agent "Bolek" (Wałęsa) is very definitive. Do disagree with these IPN historians if you can. The last I heard from you, you are unemployed and trying to write travel books about Poland. I have read this book, but have you?
There are different kind of Poles, Harry. The neo-communists, resembeling you, see Jaruzelski as a patriot or a realist. Then we have other Poles`who fought for independent and souverign Poland. The latter were hunted down and executed by the likes of Jaruzelski( I'll let you know when I'll arange a tour of Infrmacja Wojskowa prison in Warsaw so you can see who these people really were. The Polish Army officers as Pilecki and Fieldorf were interogated there, and the men who survived these interogations said Gestapo were like boyscouts in comparison).
The whole article is interesting, but I am reading at least five books at the moment so it may take some time.
If the IPN was a tool of the SLD, I have the utmost faith that Kaczynski would be 'found' to be a registered agent.
You are an idiot who thinks that they understand Polish politics because you... what... have read a few articles? Not even idiots claim that IPN is a tool of SLD(new communists).
Given that the IPN has proved itself time and time again to be politically biased and wrapped up in politics, how can you trust a word they say?
You should stay out of discussions that don't concern you. Just because you happen to work in Poland doesn't qualify you to have understanding of Polish politics. You should really pause, look up what IPN does, and then speak up. Until then, you are making a fool out of yourself.
No. You may know it for sure but I am far far less convinced (for a number of reasons).
Great. Another foreigner pretending to understand Polish politics from English speaking sources. I can take you on on this one Harry. The 700 page book ( SB a Lech Walesa)written by Centkiwicz and Gontarczyk about agent "Bolek" (Wałęsa) is very definitive. Do disagree with these IPN historians if you can. The last I heard from you, you are unemployed and trying to write travel books about Poland. I have read this book, but have you?
I think that he did what he believed to be best for Poland given the geo-political situation that Poland was in. I'd call him a realist (a neorealist to be exact). Poles tend not to like realists.
There are different kind of Poles, Harry. The neo-communists, resembeling you, see Jaruzelski as a patriot or a realist. Then we have other Poles`who fought for independent and souverign Poland. The latter were hunted down and executed by the likes of Jaruzelski( I'll let you know when I'll arange a tour of Infrmacja Wojskowa prison in Warsaw so you can see who these people really were. The Polish Army officers as Pilecki and Fieldorf were interogated there, and the men who survived these interogations said Gestapo were like boyscouts in comparison).
The particular article which you should read first starts on (or about) page 60.
The whole article is interesting, but I am reading at least five books at the moment so it may take some time.
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Walesa made a contribution, but he was a SB snitch in the seventies. We know this for sure.
Describe Jaruzelski then. A Soviet yesman perhaps? A traitor? A Soviet patriot?
I'll get back on that as the doc you sent me is 230 pages long. Interesting though.
Great new documetary ( in Polish so far) on Jaruzelski:
...
in the eyes of the world outside Poland, the greatest living Pole.
Walesa made a contribution, but he was a SB snitch in the seventies. We know this for sure.
I have not and would not use the word "hero" to describe him.
Describe Jaruzelski then. A Soviet yesman perhaps? A traitor? A Soviet patriot?
But it is interesting that you don't have even a word to say about the content of my previous post about the Czechs disagreeing with you
I'll get back on that as the doc you sent me is 230 pages long. Interesting though.
Great new documetary ( in Polish so far) on Jaruzelski:
...
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Not as agile as the Breazililian capeira fighters, but amussing, these Bavarians:
youtu.be/2LEAiGDw220
Then again, I have always found it amusing how the Germans have fun. The scary Wehrmaht soldiers:
Not as agile as the Breazililian capeira fighters, but amussing, these Bavarians:
youtu.be/2LEAiGDw220
Then again, I have always found it amusing how the Germans have fun. The scary Wehrmaht soldiers:
1jola
16 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
A shameful thing in itself though. A Soviet puppet government imposed on the Polish nation with a president (Bierut), who during the war worked in the Soviet NKVD and GRU, gave up his Polish citizenship for a Soviet one, fake elections in 1946, and the world accepts this as a rightful government. It was more like the 17th Soviet Republic - Polish SSR.
The relevant thing here is that the PRL was recognised internationally as the government of Poland.
A shameful thing in itself though. A Soviet puppet government imposed on the Polish nation with a president (Bierut), who during the war worked in the Soviet NKVD and GRU, gave up his Polish citizenship for a Soviet one, fake elections in 1946, and the world accepts this as a rightful government. It was more like the 17th Soviet Republic - Polish SSR.
1jola
14 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
First of all, Kaczynski is the only President in post-communist Poland that was not a registered agent of communist security services. The first one, Jaruzelski (TW"Wolski"), was indeed trained in the Soviet Union by GRU to aid the Soviets to establish their rule in Poland. The next president was TW "Bolek" - the later "hero" of Solidarity, registered in 1970, and then TW "Alek" or Kwasniewski. All these say what you say - it's a witch hunt.
You are clearly not aware that what IPN is and what it does. Which documents are questionable, Harry? The ones Yelstsin handed over in 1992?
Apologists for communist crimes against Polish nationals would like IPN disolved, but what is your interest in defending the criminals? Your hate for Poland?
Interesting that you view Jaruzelski as a hero who saved Poland from a Soviet invasion.
Also interesting that there are no guilty for any communist crimes. Maybe none happened?
First of all, Kaczynski is the only President in post-communist Poland that was not a registered agent of communist security services. The first one, Jaruzelski (TW"Wolski"), was indeed trained in the Soviet Union by GRU to aid the Soviets to establish their rule in Poland. The next president was TW "Bolek" - the later "hero" of Solidarity, registered in 1970, and then TW "Alek" or Kwasniewski. All these say what you say - it's a witch hunt.
You are clearly not aware that what IPN is and what it does. Which documents are questionable, Harry? The ones Yelstsin handed over in 1992?
Apologists for communist crimes against Polish nationals would like IPN disolved, but what is your interest in defending the criminals? Your hate for Poland?
Interesting that you view Jaruzelski as a hero who saved Poland from a Soviet invasion.
Also interesting that there are no guilty for any communist crimes. Maybe none happened?
1jola
13 Dec 2009
History / What Was Poland like in the year 1988? [50]
What was the Internationale? A Nazi offshoot?
international socialism or global socialism.. never been seen yet. the past socialisms were national socialisms.
What was the Internationale? A Nazi offshoot?
1jola
13 Dec 2009
History / What Was Poland like in the year 1988? [50]
Ok, so the first time around National Socialism didn't work. Should it be tried over and over till it perfects itself. International Socialism didn't work either, yet you want to keep trying.
I wonder what you would think if the planners would compute your present living space and decided you were being selfish, thus dumping a few roommates in your flat. Or, your car would be driven by your neighbor on Mondays and Wednsdays because he doesn't have one. Ah, true socialism.
with an improved, true version of socialism
Ok, so the first time around National Socialism didn't work. Should it be tried over and over till it perfects itself. International Socialism didn't work either, yet you want to keep trying.
I wonder what you would think if the planners would compute your present living space and decided you were being selfish, thus dumping a few roommates in your flat. Or, your car would be driven by your neighbor on Mondays and Wednsdays because he doesn't have one. Ah, true socialism.
1jola
13 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
A curious choice of words for a largest and the most lethal criminal enterprise the world had known.
Faithful servants never say no, and that is what Jaruzelski was. Looking at his biography, and I don't mean on wikipedia, you have to admit he was a Soviet operative from the begining. Tito said no and they left him alone.
From CIA released documents:
What were the unacceptable demands then?
let's not forget, a Soviet Union that was unpredictable, ran by a Kremlin full of spoiled old men completely out of touch with reality.
A curious choice of words for a largest and the most lethal criminal enterprise the world had known.
I don't think it was an option to simply say "no".
Faithful servants never say no, and that is what Jaruzelski was. Looking at his biography, and I don't mean on wikipedia, you have to admit he was a Soviet operative from the begining. Tito said no and they left him alone.
Peaceful in what sense? Their strikes were paralysing the country, and their leaders wanted more than the Communists could offer.
From CIA released documents:
POLAND: SOLIDARITY TO PRESENT DEMANDS
Created: 4/14/1981
OCR scan of the original document, errors are possible
solidarity has prepared en ambitious list of demands that will be difficult for the government to meet even halfway. aside from the familiar issuesarmers' union and punishment of those responsible for the incident at bydgoszcz, the union wants:
in judicial statutes to give thea degree of independence.
of the penal code to limit the role of the police.
--regular union television and radio programs
a degree of autonomy in producing them.
speaking on national television yesterday. leader walesa indicated there is room for compro-raise in the union's position. be also virtually dismissed prime hiniater jaruzelski's proposed strike ban aa an "empty appeal" and called on the government to makea gesture of good will. mu9m
Created: 4/14/1981
OCR scan of the original document, errors are possible
solidarity has prepared en ambitious list of demands that will be difficult for the government to meet even halfway. aside from the familiar issuesarmers' union and punishment of those responsible for the incident at bydgoszcz, the union wants:
in judicial statutes to give thea degree of independence.
of the penal code to limit the role of the police.
--regular union television and radio programs
a degree of autonomy in producing them.
speaking on national television yesterday. leader walesa indicated there is room for compro-raise in the union's position. be also virtually dismissed prime hiniater jaruzelski's proposed strike ban aa an "empty appeal" and called on the government to makea gesture of good will. mu9m
As I said - credible alternatives to Martial law? There really isn't any - every time the Communists gave an inch, Solidarity wanted more.
What were the unacceptable demands then?
1jola
13 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Nonsense. What was needed was that they stop shipping most of our grain, meat, manufactured goods, and natural resources to the Soviet Union. The communists weren't willing to do that.
Since we know now that the Soviets had no intentions to invade in 1981, the communists could have reached an agreement with Solidarność, which was a peaceful movement. Ten years later they made such an agreement to share power. Solidarnosc was still a peaceful movement. The deterioriation of the economic situation was on-going with the idiotic policies the communists devised. They were the cause of a bad situation.
The bottom line is, they wanted to protect the totalitarian system, their huge privilages, nothing more, so from their point of view they did the right thing. From the point of view of the rest of the country, they were traitors, Moscow's puppets, and behaved just like criminals do - with violence.
BTW, they planned martial law for a year in advance.
Solidarity couldn't be trusted to cooperate - indeed, they wouldn't cooperate with the brutal economic programme that was needed.
Nonsense. What was needed was that they stop shipping most of our grain, meat, manufactured goods, and natural resources to the Soviet Union. The communists weren't willing to do that.
What else could the Polish communists do at the time?
Since we know now that the Soviets had no intentions to invade in 1981, the communists could have reached an agreement with Solidarność, which was a peaceful movement. Ten years later they made such an agreement to share power. Solidarnosc was still a peaceful movement. The deterioriation of the economic situation was on-going with the idiotic policies the communists devised. They were the cause of a bad situation.
The bottom line is, they wanted to protect the totalitarian system, their huge privilages, nothing more, so from their point of view they did the right thing. From the point of view of the rest of the country, they were traitors, Moscow's puppets, and behaved just like criminals do - with violence.
BTW, they planned martial law for a year in advance.
1jola
13 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
A poster asked me for a translation of the digiart I posted. If you are in your thirties, then in 1981 you were a kid. Sunday morning, the 13th, kids woke up and "Teleranek" was a children's program which didn't happen that day as the martial law was impossed.
So, the poster says: You thug, give back the Teleranek! (rano, ranek, being morning). Of course, adults had much bigger problems, but the then kids remember it this way.
A poster asked me for a translation of the digiart I posted. If you are in your thirties, then in 1981 you were a kid. Sunday morning, the 13th, kids woke up and "Teleranek" was a children's program which didn't happen that day as the martial law was impossed.
So, the poster says: You thug, give back the Teleranek! (rano, ranek, being morning). Of course, adults had much bigger problems, but the then kids remember it this way.
1jola
12 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Harry, is Sjam on vacation? You kicked in after a brief pause from spitting on anything Polish, so I assume you two are working split-shifts. I hope you are paid well for your efforts, or is it just a hobby?
Look at the thread tittle and see where your conversation ended up. Always the same.
Harry, is Sjam on vacation? You kicked in after a brief pause from spitting on anything Polish, so I assume you two are working split-shifts. I hope you are paid well for your efforts, or is it just a hobby?
Look at the thread tittle and see where your conversation ended up. Always the same.
1jola
11 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Not a well publicized fact, but Jaruzelski demoted over a thousand officers to the rank of private, for...lack of moral fortitude. They were all Polish Jews. Some of them were his friends who helped him in his military career.
This is the caliber of man we are talking about.
Not a well publicized fact, but Jaruzelski demoted over a thousand officers to the rank of private, for...lack of moral fortitude. They were all Polish Jews. Some of them were his friends who helped him in his military career.
This is the caliber of man we are talking about.
1jola
11 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Killing Polish soldiers after the war was best for Poland? Imposing Soviet rule was best for Poland?
A practical view for Poland? In the beginning, before they trusted traitors like Jaruzelski, printed instructions in units he worked in were in Russian. He made general at 33, and you didn't get there without Moscow's blessing.
Never heard about it.
Killing Polish soldiers after the war was best for Poland? Imposing Soviet rule was best for Poland?
A practical view for Poland? In the beginning, before they trusted traitors like Jaruzelski, printed instructions in units he worked in were in Russian. He made general at 33, and you didn't get there without Moscow's blessing.
What do you know of and/or think about Operation Krkonose that the Czechs talk about?
Never heard about it.
1jola
11 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
I would say thay most people have no idea who Jaruzelski really worked for. His career took of when he became a captain in Millitary Intelligence. Schooled in the Soviet Union, he was groomed by GRU/SMERSH to replace Soviet NKVD commanders who were in charge of Soviet controlled Polish forces. His assignments were to eliminate AK and NSZ soldiers. That is what he did, as a member of counterintelligence, he eliminated Polish soldiers who fought for indepedent Poland. He was a traitor from the begining, a Soviet operative, working against the interests of Poland.
Soviet history may be kind to him as he was a Soviet patriot, but in the view of us Poles, he was a traitor of the worse kind.
This is correct; the Russians were poised in 1980; then Solidarity was legalized and the threat went away. In 1981, Jaruzelski asked the Soviets for help because he thought he might not be able to manage the situation. There were fourteen other lakeys who would have been happy to take care of the problem, but after Jaruzelski impossed martial law, he was the dictator in charge. BTW, impossing martial law was legally a coup d'etat. That alone, can land him in prison as it should.
Another irony, he bacame the first president of post-communist Poland and now declares himself a social democrat.
I still hold the unpopular view that the General got most things right (but still did wrong).
History will not be kind to Jaruzelski, even though he does deserve a great deal of credit for successfully managing the transistion to democracy without the problems seen elsewhere
I would say thay most people have no idea who Jaruzelski really worked for. His career took of when he became a captain in Millitary Intelligence. Schooled in the Soviet Union, he was groomed by GRU/SMERSH to replace Soviet NKVD commanders who were in charge of Soviet controlled Polish forces. His assignments were to eliminate AK and NSZ soldiers. That is what he did, as a member of counterintelligence, he eliminated Polish soldiers who fought for indepedent Poland. He was a traitor from the begining, a Soviet operative, working against the interests of Poland.
Soviet history may be kind to him as he was a Soviet patriot, but in the view of us Poles, he was a traitor of the worse kind.
There was told that in the beginning of 80, those trains waited only for the autorization from Moscow to cross the Polish border.
This is correct; the Russians were poised in 1980; then Solidarity was legalized and the threat went away. In 1981, Jaruzelski asked the Soviets for help because he thought he might not be able to manage the situation. There were fourteen other lakeys who would have been happy to take care of the problem, but after Jaruzelski impossed martial law, he was the dictator in charge. BTW, impossing martial law was legally a coup d'etat. That alone, can land him in prison as it should.
Another irony, he bacame the first president of post-communist Poland and now declares himself a social democrat.
1jola
10 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Huh? At that time, the communists had narodowość not pochodzenie in their forms, so what is it you don't understand?
IPN is not just some people but a Commission to investigate crimes agaist Polish nationals. According to archival documents of the communist state securitity, Walesa and Kwasniewski were registered agents. Two presidents in "free" Poland. Both don't like IPN for obvious reasons.
IPN should search the archives for this?
Can you ask them what nation-state a Jew comes from? Is it Jewland or Jewia?
Huh? At that time, the communists had narodowość not pochodzenie in their forms, so what is it you don't understand?
Aren't they the same people who insist that the communist-era files show that Walesa was an informer
IPN is not just some people but a Commission to investigate crimes agaist Polish nationals. According to archival documents of the communist state securitity, Walesa and Kwasniewski were registered agents. Two presidents in "free" Poland. Both don't like IPN for obvious reasons.
there is nothing at all in the files about a certain former PM being gay (something which I know for a fact not to be true)?
IPN should search the archives for this?
1jola
10 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Harry
Torq is right on this one. In IPN publications, when discussing this period and looking at personal documents, the nationality listed (narodowość) is Jewish.
Abe Foxman, of the infamous ADL, survived the war by being a baptized Catholic, but who calls him Polish?
That is exactly what happened but some people imagine that communists vanished and gave up their total control. Today, PO is calling for castrating IPN, and SLD for shutting it down. The bastards couldn't destroy all the files and crossreferences.
Harry
Torq is right on this one. In IPN publications, when discussing this period and looking at personal documents, the nationality listed (narodowość) is Jewish.
Abe Foxman, of the infamous ADL, survived the war by being a baptized Catholic, but who calls him Polish?
I strongly believe that Solidarity would have happily accepted a real power-sharing agreement with the communists had it been on offer - to the exclusion of real democracy.
That is exactly what happened but some people imagine that communists vanished and gave up their total control. Today, PO is calling for castrating IPN, and SLD for shutting it down. The bastards couldn't destroy all the files and crossreferences.
1jola
9 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
Actually, we're talking about Martial Law in 1981. There aren't more threads about this and other issues concerning communists controlling Polish politics and industry because most of the criticism is not translated into English. It is impossible to see the real situation in Poland without understanding Polish.
Sometimes, we get a glimps at Polish politics when documents are translated into English. Trust me, this issue has significance on how we view history, but leftist papers, like Gazeta Wyborcza ,will regurgitate the news for your consumption. Do I need to remind you of Michnik's words to keep away from the general(Jaruzelski)?
Most people think that Soviet communism somehow fell; that is the common view. Oh, yeah, it fell with the Berlin Wall, no doubt.
Until now, without documents proving it, people have been lead to believe that martial law was implemented to prevent a Soviet invasion.
In fact, Szkotja, there should be more threads on recent history of RP to see the left squirming.
Actually, we're talking about Martial Law in 1981. There aren't more threads about this and other issues concerning communists controlling Polish politics and industry because most of the criticism is not translated into English. It is impossible to see the real situation in Poland without understanding Polish.
Sometimes, we get a glimps at Polish politics when documents are translated into English. Trust me, this issue has significance on how we view history, but leftist papers, like Gazeta Wyborcza ,will regurgitate the news for your consumption. Do I need to remind you of Michnik's words to keep away from the general(Jaruzelski)?
Most people think that Soviet communism somehow fell; that is the common view. Oh, yeah, it fell with the Berlin Wall, no doubt.
Until now, without documents proving it, people have been lead to believe that martial law was implemented to prevent a Soviet invasion.
In fact, Szkotja, there should be more threads on recent history of RP to see the left squirming.
1jola
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Out of interest to some:
A documentary on the Brits who fought for Hitler tittled "The Brits who Fought for Hitler":
quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=32928
Out of interest to some:
A documentary on the Brits who fought for Hitler tittled "The Brits who Fought for Hitler":
quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=32928
1jola
9 Dec 2009
History / Jaruzelski asked Soviets for assistance [51]
thenews/national/artykul121537.html
thescotsman.scotsman/world/39Poland-sought-Soviet-aid-to.5894 564.jp
13 December - We Remember!
The documents are unequivocal proof of the Polish general's intentions three days ahead of the imposition of martial law.
Dudek told Polish Radio "Jaruzelski said: "if Solidarity will confine its actions to strikes, then we will manage it, yet we may not rule out that they will take to the streets." He went on to give a specific example of Upper Silesia to show Kulikov the scale of the problem. Jaruzelski said "there are 4 million people living in the region and should the 4 million hold protests, I will not cope there with just one squadron stationed there and could I then count on your military assistance?"
Dudek told Polish Radio "Jaruzelski said: "if Solidarity will confine its actions to strikes, then we will manage it, yet we may not rule out that they will take to the streets." He went on to give a specific example of Upper Silesia to show Kulikov the scale of the problem. Jaruzelski said "there are 4 million people living in the region and should the 4 million hold protests, I will not cope there with just one squadron stationed there and could I then count on your military assistance?"
thenews/national/artykul121537.html
But Mr Walesa said the general could well face treason charges for calling for foreign intervention on Polish soil: "When you see what is written, it could well be that the general betrayed Poland."
thescotsman.scotsman/world/39Poland-sought-Soviet-aid-to.5894 564.jp
13 December - We Remember!
1jola
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Then is would be time for Neuordnung.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(political_system)
There's a good "what if?" scenario there - if we assume that Britain didn't enter the war and instead sat on her hands, Hitler (well, the Axis) would control mainland Europe. Then what?
Then is would be time for Neuordnung.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(political_system)
1jola
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]
Strange pick up line, but hey...
That reminds me of the French resistance cell in the Warsaw Ghetto...
But it is a SECOND paramedic who tells me that...
Strange pick up line, but hey...
That reminds me of the French resistance cell in the Warsaw Ghetto...