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MareGaea   
12 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

one of those truly backward countries like Poland will show you some common sense.

It's generally accepted that NL is about 20 years ahead of most European countries and at least 60 years of PL, mentality- and innovation-wise, so I doubt that PL can teach NL anything. PL can't even cope with their own past.

Aphro thinks that liberals are people who don't see everything in black and white:) and putting people in boxes it the worst thing one can do.

Some ppl need that, for otherwise they can't cope with life's little ironies, eh :) Tolerant ppl have to tolerate the intolerant, unfortunately, yet the other way around hardly ever happens. Let's just say that these little souls are so insecure that they need some guidance in their lives, be this religion or the plain old "us against them" adage. Let's just feel sorry for them as they seem to have forgotten that, with the exception perhaps of Abe Lincoln, no conservative has ever brought any substantial change for the good in history. :)

But I see that we have here two Holland-specialists in the room...Two Americans of Polish descent who probably never even have set foot in the Netherlands but yet are fully aware of the archival structure and I am sure they haven't forgotten that governmental pieces are generally not released to the public until 50 years after the event?

Surely MareG you could conduct an online search and type in your ancestor's full name or a proper description of the villa he owned? It's inconceivable that any modern, transparent goverment would withhold this information. If they do, then surely you have right to complain to whatever tribunal regulates complaints against your government.

I did all the searches available to me at the time, but nowhere I found evidence that they offered it back to my grandfather - he would've refused it anyway. I left it at my findings. I did it mainly to get clarity, but that's the reason in the first place why I went to study History anway. Not to gain money or sth. And besides: the building has burned down to the ground in 1960, so there is nothing to gain. Not that I wanted to gain any financial stuff for that matter.
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Anger at yet another Polish tragedy [30]

But Seanus, you are an advocate of ppl not sticking in the past. While I do appreciate that a week of mourning is needed for PL, there comes a time that life has to take its regular course again. And even though it is terrible what happened, Kaczynski was a president and there will be more presidents. Should ppl always compare future presidents with Kaczynski for "what Lech would've done"? Don't think that's a good idea. A week should be ok, and probably the hurt will last a little longer, but at one point life goes on, how hard and impssbl it may seem. And it should be like that.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Anger at yet another Polish tragedy [30]

Do you realize that it was the EU who put Greece in the position in the first place?

Not sure about that. The Greek government was all too eager to join the Euro zone and they did revamp the financial figures as they knew that they would be excluded from it if the deficit would be higher than the 3 per cent allowed.

Greece has always been one of the poorest countries in the EU, imo they have greatly benefited from their membership and in fact I think they should really be glad that the others are willing to help them out (all the other member states are chipping in - each one pays what it can afford as I understand it) as they hardly can get credit anywhere else in the world. But since a bancrupt Greece would seriously compromise the EU and endanger the Euro, there was nothing else to do for the remaining member states than to help them out. And, as I read it, it's a loan not subsidy, they have to pay 5 per cent interest.

Businesses should be closed

Now, THAT would definitively cause the Polish economy to feel the effects of this tragedy. So I don't think that would be a good idea.

>^..^<

M-G (under Lisbon, countries are free to leave the EU, btw)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Anger at yet another Polish tragedy [30]

Of course we have to, Seanus, and I do feel sorry for their terrible loss. I went to a Polish church here in Dublin to light up a candle and I have expressed my sympathy to my Polish friends over here. I appreciate the fact that it must be extremely tough on them and I do feel for them.

>^..^<

M-G (again: Requiescat In Pace for the poor victims of this horrible accident)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Don't worry; you are still my favorite most punchable deranged little liberal nitwit on the PF :)

I'm not worried at all, Beëlzebub, don't credit yourself too much; of course it's much better to stay in a little cramped conservative world of which you can be sure it will get you nowhere ;)

And FYI: not all Dutch records concerning WW2 and its aftermath are public. As student in History I had access to a bigger part than the general public, but not all information was disclosed back then. So I am to go by on one hand the info my family gave me and on the other hand the info that was made available to me, which wasn't complete. My granddad undoubtedly made some questionable decisions after the war, but that was given his psyche at the time kinda understandable. "They never offered it to me, but if they did, I would've refused anyway". He didn't want to have anything to do with anybody outside his wife and children, which he beat up on a regular basis. As a trained and experienced economist he went to work as a forrester just for the sake of seclusion and it was a blessing for him when he died due to an accident.

So his role is a bit blurry in this part. Given the assumption that he would've refused and the fact that I could find nowhere in the archives that they actually offered it to him plus the fact that the building was declared a landmark shortly after the war, this is the picture that I could distill out of the sources that I had. Since the Dutch government owns the Dutch landmarks and has the right to confiscate them (or buy them nowadays) the statement that they didn't offered it back to him should be true beyond reasonable doubt.

'shoa'= Jewish term for the holocaust

No! Are you joking me? I really didn't know that. Thanks for enlightening me!

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

So why your grandfather's villa was not returned if he survived?

Good question, nowhere in the documents this is made really clear. I guess it has sth to do with the landmark value of the building (well, that wasn't really a longlasting pleasure: the building burned to the ground in 1960). The Dutch governmental archive-service wasn't really co-operative when trying to figure this out.

and I notice that your explanations usually have big holes :)

You just have to read well. ;)

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Anger at yet another Polish tragedy [30]

We already have arguably the most un-appreciated history

Isn't that what the Poles like to tell themselves, so they can indulge in feeling sorry for themselves?

I for one know for sure that the Polish history is greatly respected and appreciated in the Netherlands - they helped to liberate my country and many Dutch were/are still grateful for that.

POLISH YOUTH - we need to step up and bring this nation to the greatness it once had and deserves!

This sounds actually pretty scary, if you don't mind my saying so.

dirty EU

I thought you were a Greek? If so, the EU has saved Greece once again - so far for dirty EU.

This recent tragedy is still not adequately spotlighted in the west. Todays Chicago Tribune

I noticed that English languaged countries tend to undervalue any news from non-English countries anyway. It is frontpage news in the Dutch newspapers for two days now. Might be the difference between continental (Western-) Europe and the Anglo-Irish-American world.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
News / New Polish president and Russian/American relations [37]

but we'd rather read the Bible.

Ehm, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather read a book about serial killers or sth :)

>^..^<

M-G (or anything else - anything that's better than a religious book)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

I want to hear from you that you see this as a scam.

Of course it's a scam, the whole world knows that it's a scam to try to get some dough over the backs of dead ppl. And I think the scammers should be proscecuted like any other scammer. Beëlzebub didn't seem to understand my metaphore, so I explained it to her. Ad sec.

>^..^<

M-G (never defending scammers)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
News / Will todays tragedy effect the economy of Poland? [34]

Jaroslaw Kaczynski alone knows the answer to that question. If he runs, then he could very well snatch it with an emotional campaign against the robot Komorowski. PO's choice in candidate may very well turn against them badly.

Is there a chance that Jaroslaw will run for presidency?

>^..^<

M-G (would that be good?)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

I notice that if you don't understand sth it quickly doesn't make sense to you :) The Dutch State confiscated the property because it was a Dutch Nazi who had stolen it. And after the war most stolen properties were confiscated and given back to their rightful owners, if still alive.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Can't you guys just collect stamps or do some gardening instead of stirring up dislike toward Jews? I forgot, there are other Jewish groups cashing in on the antisemitism scare.

You didn't notice the sarcasm? Hm. But I guess in this case it's the same dislike that ppl generally feel towards lenders when it's time to pay back the money they lent.

Let me tell you: my anchestors had a huge villa. During the war it was confiscated by the same Dutch Nazi-neighbour who had betrayed them to the Germans. After the war, it turned out that my grandfather was the sole survivor, the Dutch state confiscated it again. My granddad never saw one penny nor was he offered his family estate back by the government. Not that he wanted to, psychologically damaged by the wounds the war had made to his soul, but they also never offered it to him, although they knew he was the owner de facto.

He never felt hatred towards the State. It just bores me to bits to know that every excuse is being used to explain distrust, dislike of of Jews. Get ready for the future I would say and don't indulge yourself in the past. The past's the past and leave it at that. Everybody else does, so why can't the Poles?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
11 Apr 2010
News / New Polish president and Russian/American relations [37]

As far as i know Poland did not get many benefits after join EU?

I think you should read up on your EU.

>^..^<

M-G (Poland should maintain healthy relationships with all the players it has to deal with - and any other country as well; just works best)
MareGaea   
10 Apr 2010
Love / Hi Guys Iam British And i am went out a polish girl twice [28]

i dont know whats the next step with her

Get laid of course!

>^..^<

M-G (gee, they say stupid questions don't exist; this is proof stupid questions really do exist - and I don't think he's British either)
MareGaea   
10 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Time to move on in life don't you think?

Funny YOU should say that.

You know, a part Irish-American business man mention to me the other day: 'This 'holocaust' thing...Were only Jews killed in large numbers in WWII?'...Then he say 'They always talk about 6 million, 5 million: But there were only a few hundred thousand Jews in the whole of Germany!'

Tiens, the Holocaust didn't concern only Germany...

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
10 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Hitler had a major beef (litote of the year) with Jews

Well, that's pretty clear and I don't deny that at all. Hitler invaded Poland not because of the Jews initially. Lebensraum was the main concern here. Like I said before, the fact that PL had many Jews was a bonus, not the main target.

Although not their fault, the Jews brought the Nazis to Poland.

I have read and re-read your statement. So, what is the issue here?

Still a focking moronic racist

I have stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.

I come across this kind of idiotic statement only from some idiotic Jews who I see you decided to join

How about Catholics abusing little children? Haven't heard you made any clear statement about that, beside definding Catholic child abusers.

Although Wilders' party won in two cities

What solutions does he have?

>^..^<

M-G (doesn't have a beef with Seanus, however, wonders what is going on)
MareGaea   
10 Apr 2010
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Don't you find it disturbing that 80,000 Holocaust survivors live below poverty level in Israel?

No, you little anti-semite, I don't think that's disturbing. What I do think is disturbing is that the Catholic Church apparantly condones child abuse and you seem to condone child abuse too. That is disturbing.

(Apartheid) Israel.

Go back into your basket.

>^..^<

M-G (getting tired of those racist Poles)
MareGaea   
9 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

You sure you want to go that this way, MareGaea?

Sorry for replying this late, just so this mighty post.

First of all, the problem is not as big as it's been presented abroad. I've been to NL several times last year and if I were to believe all the negative reports I read online from sources abroad, it would be one heck of a civil war going on in our streets. I've been to Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague, but it was all peace and quiet there. Well, as far as peace and quiet for big cities can go of course. The problem is much overrated by one politician out for power. He wants to turn our little country into a one-party system and hush all dissenting voices down by threats of violence.

Secondly, it's not "Hot verdommen", but "Godverdomme".

Thirdly, we do have laws against discrimination and that is a good thing. It's by far not true that our country gets overrun by muslims and 3rd worlders. The image that it is, is the product of the same hate mongering politician and is a figment of his imagination.

Fourthly, most Dutch don't agree to this politician and you can see that in the months towards the elections on the 9th of June, he is slowly but surely losing ground and it wouldn't surprise me at all that come election time, he is nowhere because he knows he cannot maintain this stance.

Fifthly, NL is still the most tolerant country in the world and on average about 30 to 40 years ahead of most other countries. And that is something to be proud of. I am truly and sincerely proud of that.

Lastly, our "future prime minister" (as he likes to call himself) will never be prime minister. We Dutch have enough common sense to let this idiot not get in the prime minister's seat. You can already see it in the cities where he participated in the elections. No other party wants to co-operate with him and his movement and it will die a silent death soon. Oh, and indeed, should he be convicted of hate mongering (which he does), he can, according to the Dutch constitution never become prime minister anyway. So there is nothing to fear.

In other words, it's not as bad as one is led to believe.

Although not their fault, the Jews brought the Nazis to Poland.

That is outright nonsense, Seanus. What's wrong with you lately? You know that it was the quest for Lebensraum and eventually the conquest of Russia that made him conquer Poland? Lebensraum was exclusively planned in the East, so, even if there weren't any Jews in PL, he would've attacked the country rather sooner than later anyway, also given the loaction of Eastern Prussia, surrounded by Poland. Also, Hitler and his henchmen they could go to work killing Jews with more bestiality in the East than in the West as he knew that in the West this would never be tolerated. And since he wanted to maintain those Western states for future use as vassal states, he was better off keeping any unrest at bay in order to have them useful later on. The East was planned for Lebensraum, so basically to Hitler it didn't matter what happened there. The Slavs were intended as Slaves at best and that there were so many Jews there was merely a bonus to him - more Jews meant more cleansing, ergo a bigger chance to rid the world of the Jews.

>^..^<

M-G (notices a roughening in Seanus' point of view - the detention he suffered has roughed up his feathers, I guess)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
Love / How could I change her opinion about me? [60]

absolute time waster, who was pretending to be interested in something with me

Actually, in your story I can find nowhere that she pretended to be interested. Ok, you talked about what you did in England, but that doesn't seem anything else than fetching up memories, nothing more. If I spent a nice day with a female friend somewhere and she mails me to rake up memories, I will certainly reply to her and share the memories with her, but that doesn't mean I want to start sth with her. And as for time waster, I don't think she is a time waster. If there is one time waster in this story, then it's you yourself; you're wasting time on a female that wasn't interested in you in the first place and made no efforts to make it seem that she is. After all, you said yourself that you found out her email address - she didn't even give it to you herself. This means that she never gave you a second thought and like her, if somebody would do that with me, I would be surprised too. Just be glad she had the decency to reminiscen the time with you (as part of the group) in England. That's already more than you could've hoped for.

Now, follow my advice and find yourself another female who IS interested in you and don't waste your precious time wailing over this girl. It had never a chance, but since you were infatuated with her, the fact that she responded to your (kinda obtrusive) email, naturally gave you hope, given your mindset. Forget about it and go along your merry ways in finding another girlfriend. You will see, there are plenty of really nice girls out there who DO want to spend time with you. Good luck, my friend.

Hint: if a girl doesn't give you her contact details by herself, it's usually a good measure to know that she is not interested in you. If she was, she would've gone out of her way to get you those details. You shouldn't try to get her details by a u-turn - it'll make you come across as scary and you don't want that.

>^..^<

M-G (hm)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
Love / Are there Polish women who date black guys? [281]

Welcome to the UK :)

>^..^<

M-G (where the ppl are loud football lovers, get purple heads in the summer and make it known that they are there, when abroad)

I strongly suspect there are drug dealers between them many times I leave a Czech or polish girl alone in Athens a Black comes and talks to her).

So you only talk to crackheads? Is that what you're saying? How much do they charge you?

>^..^<

M-G (hm)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why will Poland always be the puppet of America? [159]

We shall see what would Russians when Serbs support Polish revival and when Ukraine, Cezska and Slovakia join us.

Probably nothing. First of all because it will never happen and secondly, why would Russia care about ideas that belong in the 19th century?

Look at it this way: Serbia wants to join the EU, just like the other states you've mentioned already are, except Ukraine, which will never be part of it. Ukraine probably will be rejoined with Russia once again and once Serbia joins the EU together with Croatia, B-H and Macedonia, Montenegro, all will be united anyway and there de facto IS a Great Slavia, with the extension of a mere country or two to the West of it.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens, tiens)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
Love / Are there Polish women who date black guys? [281]

Nepolaks, Polnegs, Nepols, Ponegs, Negpos, Humans?

Polakstan, Polkistan, Polkania, Polwana?

>^..^<

M-G (yeah, let's all invade the UK: bad food, rain, oversexed ugly women and warm beer - must be heaven)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

First of all I don't consider Wikipedia as a reliable source

Only if it says what you want to hear, it's reliable, is that right? :) You'll be surprised how many ppl on this forum think like that. But in all I know the concept and some articles have been written by experts. Also, if the contents is too biased, it will be removed. In all, Wiki gives a nice impression of the general tendencies of a subject.

As Vetala said there's a huge difference between not liking people and wishing them to die.

I am sure that many wished they were dead. But that's off the point. I do appreciate the fact that PL had the most Jews at the time, due to its sheer size and a few other factors, but as usual "tolerance" is an idea only carried by the general impression, not by individuals. For example: NL has always been the most tolerant country in Europe, and they had a protective charter regarding the Jews. However, this did not mean that Jews from the East were merrily welcomed. Oh, they were allowed to move there, but the locals didn't really like them, neither did the VOC (the East Indies Company) nor the government as they were poor.

Sefardic Jews on the other hand were welcome because they were rich.

Tolerance is a very elusive concept.

>^..^<

M-G (holy moly)
MareGaea   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

You are right that for many centuries Poland was some kind of paradise for Jews

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe

Read the Polish section. Two quotes I think is relevant for this discussion:

1.

It should be noted that despite the mentioned incidents, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a relative haven for Jews when compared to the period of the partitions of Poland and the PLC's destruction in 1795

2.

While there are many examples of Polish support and help for the Jews during World War II and the Holocaust, there are also numerous examples of anti-Semitic incidents, and the Jewish population was certain of the indifference towards their fate from the Christian Poles.

For centuries (especially in XVII) Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe

Ehm, nope, read following:

In the aftermath of the Deluge and Chmielnicki Uprising, many Jews fled to the less turbulent Netherlands, which had granted the Jews a protective charter in 1619. From then until the Nazi deportations in 1942, the Netherlands remained a remarkably tolerant haven for Jews in Europe, exceeding the tolerance extant in all other European countries at the time, and becoming one of the few Jewish havens until nineteenth century social and political reforms throughout much of Europe.

On one hand it prides me that my little country by the sea was the most tolerant state in the world on the other hand it doesn't surprise me at all. We've always been ahead of everybody else in Europe. :P

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
MareGaea   
2 Apr 2010
Love / How could I change her opinion about me? [60]

Vawery: Even when I called her he just said me: Pierdol się! (F*ck off!).

How much clearer do you want it? :) My boy, forget her - she is not interested in you and she will never be. In fact she doesn't make any effort to make it seem that she is. Easy peasy to say goodbye to her. It would've been different if she was pretending to like you, but she doesn't even do that. Let her go, she probably won't come to you in about the next 2000 years, so find yourself a nice chickadee and be happy with that one. Don't know where you're from, but I am sure there will be some very nice young ladies there. Young ladies who are worth your while more than this bimbo. You're wasting your time and energy on this. Go out, find yourself a nice female, even if it's for one night only. Usually this is enough to forget all about bimborimbos like that.

Good luck, but really, stop approaching her. If there would be anything growing it'll have to come from her, but I doubt it ever will.

>^..^<

M-G (drink yourself to oblivion and make sure you don't have access to your phone and if you do, erase her number and email address)
MareGaea   
2 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

You're getting a bit confused here, ironside. It's amazing how agressive you get when wrongdoings of the Poles get pointed out. Your answer comprises merely of highlighting the good things the Poles have done. While this wasn't the point of the discussion, nobody has said, including me, that this wasn't the case. But here:

Six months prior to the Kielce pogrom, during the Hanukkah celebration, a hand grenade had been thrown into the local Jewish community headquarters.

Source: absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Kielce_pogrom

And if you call me a freaking hypocrite once again, I will definitively stop taking you seriously.

>^..^<

M-G (last chance)