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ifor bach   
25 Feb 2013
Life / Polish pretense - what's the deal? [72]

Jumping to (stupid) conclusions, are we, Bieganski?

The use of words such as 'boomers' and 'sucks' indicate a speaker of American rather than British English.

And btw, it's really pathetic how easy it is for just about any idiot Westerner to wind-up a Pole such as yourself. If you were sure of yourselves you could easily ignore them. But rather your fragile egos force you to make frenzied attempts to demonstrate that 'we are just as good as you are' which kind of proves the point the troll was making.
ifor bach   
6 Feb 2013
News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]

I wouldn't respond, If his shytty "column" ended up where it does belong, in the closet, that's what should happen in any civilized country, your defence of this punk is laughable, we both know you wouldn't do that If he was Polish and wrote the same crap about Jews/Africans/Arabs and many others.

I see. So Britain's not civilised whereas Poland is.

I'm quite sure you'd be frothing at the mouth in exactly the same manner were some Pole to make fun of foreigners ..... not.

Respond intelligently, and Coren looks stupid. Respond as you're doing now, and Coren's got it spot on.
ifor bach   
6 Feb 2013
News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]

you are an ass-hole and and an idiot sir.

What the hell ? I tried to read it but it sounds like some monkey noise, has this filthy racist suffered a brain damage recently ?

Oh arrogant bigot has spoken giving a clear example of hate, intolerance and primitive prejudice.
His hate rhetoric bringing to mind hate speeches against Jews made by Goebbels not only will not reduce level of anti-Semitics in the UK on seeing how an allegedly tolerant and educated Jew dropped his disguise and has showed his real face.

I'm sure I'm all that but you sir are an idiot and an ass-hole if articulate.

So Coren's stereotype is basically accurate, then?
ifor bach   
6 Feb 2013
News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]

Well if every-time you would have walked pass a dude he would say ass-hole. I'm sure that you wouldn't wait 777 times to react.
I sure you would have had a great time proving that there is no true in you being an ass-hole.

I wouldn't care about it, tbh. I think others would see that it told us far more about the person making the remark than myself.
ifor bach   
6 Feb 2013
News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]

I haven't read the recent column because I have no access to it. Could you then elaborate on your thought?

You can read it all here:

bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/2013/02/giles-coren-today-i-am-ma ke-first.html

ifor bach:
The British media simply shrugs its shoulders.

That's just what you say. In fact if any Pole dared to say something wrong on Britain there would be a hysterical reaction: "get the f out of Britain, you little ungrateful %^$^$%$!" - tested many times on this forum.

That's just this forum, read by the 0.01% of the British public who have an interest in what Poles think. For sure, if some newspaper columnist wanted to poke fun at English people in a Polish newspaper, there is almost no possibility that the British ambassador would write a strongly worded rebuttal.

No-one would see it as being all that important.

ifor bach:
He isn't 'the voice of England'

Why do you think any of us take him as the voice of England?

I think you (meaning a number of Polish people) do. That's why it bothers you. It's just one man (presumably because of his Jewish ancestry) who has a grudge against Poland. I don't believe 'the Times' are necessarily endorsing his opinion, they are merely allowing Coren freedom of speech.

ifor bach:
If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?

Are you going to heat up the discussion? Why have you given the above dig?

I've decided not to 'flame'. I simply don't see the point. I'm just writing my own honest opinion, without making any deliberate attempt to offend anyone.

Presumably, accusations of anti-semitism hurt because there is some truth in them. If there was no truth at all in them, then you wouldn't care about it. If someone were to write, for example, that Poles were responsible for exterminating American Indians the accusation would simply be ridiculous, and therefore not worth responding to.

If you wanted me to be entirely honest, I'd say that Poland doesn't yet have the maturity to examine its history with objectivity and maturity.
ifor bach   
6 Feb 2013
News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]

Does it not disturb you that some newspaper columnist in the UK can cause outrage in Poland, whereas the British public has no interest whatsoever in the opinions of the Polish media?

There aren't any Polish columnists of British newspapers to my knowledge. Even if there were, I don't suppose anyone would care that much what they said.

You'll find there is a lot of abuse of the United Kingdom in the World's media. The British media simply shrugs its shoulders. The British people, by and large, don't really care what foreigners think of them.

Giles Coren is just one person. He isn't 'the voice of England'. What he writes is his opinion, rather than some kind of British opinion. His take on Poland and Poles is a Jewish rather than British one.

You'll find there is a lot of criticism of the UK in Israel, which goes unnoticed in Britain.

Tbh the Polish response to Giles Coren shows us a great deal about the Polish psyche. It shows Poles to be insecure, hypersensitive to criticism and easy to poke fun of. If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?
ifor bach   
14 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census [97]

I know Harry from other forums, and think he's a bit of an idiot.

Unfortunately, forums such as these attract idiots.

I'd rather listen, discuss and learn, than get involved in pointless nationality bashing flaming wars.

It's quite obvious that the sole purpose of the OP is to inflame, so why not critise those trying to create disharmony here and now, rather than a banned former poster?
ifor bach   
13 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census [97]

There is a great possibility that Bieganski is US resident, and this thread is a result of previous PF "wars" between Americans and Britons.

Thanks for informing me. Such 'wars' are imbecilic, and I'd prefer not to take part in them.
ifor bach   
13 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census [97]

Tbh, Jon, I think it best to ignore threads such as these. It's Bieganski, and people who think like him, who have issues, rather than a majority of 'Brits'. If Bieganski is unable to see this for himself. we are under no obligation to help him by wrenching his red and white tinted glasses from off his eyes.
ifor bach   
13 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census [97]

I only wanted to share what I was told and got also surprised at it. The Polish man who I spoke to, an inteligent person and a good observer, said that British multiculturalism is superficial and based on huge amount of politically correct hypocrisy. When not fearing consequences, white Brits freely disdain races, immigrants etc.

I've also heard Poles commenting much the same thing. Of course, a certain percentage of the British population does not accept multiculturalism. The kind of people who vote BNP, for example.

However, the younger and more educated someone is, the more likely they are to accept multiculturalism.

Quite probably, the man you spoke to wasn't a particularly good observer. This observation is often made to excuse the prejudices of Poles in the UK by Poles in the UK.
ifor bach   
13 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polonization of Britain - Tipping Point Confirmed in 2011 Census [97]

A Pole who returned from UK told be that native white Brits can be extremely racist and when alone or in their own group, they openly show contempt to aliens, even from such countries as India etc.

Why do you seem so determined to start an argument?
ifor bach   
9 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

Thank you Ifor, that's precisely what I'm trying to get across with some people here, but hey, for them I'm just a "stuborn Polak" so I must know nothing! Maybe they will judge the voice of reason from the British native as a more reliable :)

I get fed up with the stupid opinions I hear in Poland. I have to come here to remind myself that many Brits have opinions which are equally or more stupid.

Have you got a 'pointy head'? Do you smell of bigos? Do you walk 'funny'? *face palm*
ifor bach   
9 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

This is a white pregnant woman smoking:

If you are Polish, and want to belittle Brits, then she has a 'British' look.

If you are British, and want to belittle Poles, then she looks 'Polish'.

All you are doing is proving that people see whatever it is they wish to see.


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ifor bach   
7 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

wrong pal - in the Middle Ages most people believed the earth was flat even though many scientists already believed it to be round

In the Middle Ages scientists believed in alchemy, theologians in witchcraft, and doctors believed diseases could be cured by the touch of a king.

No doubt many of today's 'experts' are equally mistaken.
ifor bach   
7 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

I don't believe there is any kind of reference books anywhere whose content is not disputed by anyone. Including, for example, an Oxford Dictionary.

Have you ever heard of 'the wisdom of the crowd'? If you were to ask a cattle farmer and a non-farmer to estimate the weight of a cow, almost certainly the farmer would be the closest to the actual weight. However, if you were to ask a hundred random people, their mean answer is more likely to be correct than the expert.

Wikipedia works in a similar fashion. The sum of knowledge of hundreds of non-specialists is likely to be greater than that of a single specialist.
ifor bach   
7 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

I don't know Szczecin.

My bad. I confused you with another poster.

It's sufficient source of information. I see no problem in making references to it when discussing on a forum.

I'm sure there is plenty of false information in wikipedia. Just as there is in just about any other source of information.
ifor bach   
7 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

Wikipedia is a good source. Why do you suggest otherwise?

Btw, I don't believe anyone is claiming 'the Sun' to be some kind of 'authority'.
ifor bach   
7 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / Polish city that's moved to Britain [120]

Another gem: £ÓD- WAS NEVER A CAPITAL CITY OF POLAND!

According to Wikipedia, it was the de facto capital from the end of WW2 until 1948 while Warsaw was being rebuilt.

What is your view of the article?

Is Szczecin any better?
ifor bach   
6 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / How much people in UK are manipulated by false anty- Polish propaganda [37]

I thought we were talking about the BBC documentary rather than the tabloids.

There is an anti-immigration and anti-muslim agenda by some groups in the UK, but not really any specifically anti-Polish one.

At least, not for anyone not searching for one.
ifor bach   
6 Jan 2013
UK, Ireland / How much people in UK are manipulated by false anty- Polish propaganda [37]

The media is bashing the Poles because they think its what the UK public wants to hear and more importantly pay for.

Why do you imagine the UK public wants to hear this?

How about they are just calling it as it is? And you don't like it, so choose to bash the British media?