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4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Except there's one problem

no, there's no problem DD, I already made you a compliment, you don't want me to take it back, right? LOL
4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Thank you DD, thanks a bunch. So you agree that the 92.2% of Poles who declared themselves Roman Catholic are what they say they are, despite definitions, rules of anyone at all. I'm glad that we finally came to the conclusion that no matter what others say (whoever it is), we are what we say we are because it's a part of our constitutional right to be who we say we are.

You 're a good man DD, I always knew that ;-)
4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Is it that difficult to understand that the Constitution guarantees freedom for all?

sorry but I simply have to reply to that 1, LOL

now DD, is it that difficult to understand that the constitution guarantees freedom for people to freely declare themselves Roman Catholic? ;-) Again, forget definitions, rules and all that nonsense.

YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE !!!

OK, OK keep on fighting ............. bye
4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

If that were even half relevant we'd be insisting that much more from Mieszko's time were still practiced. We don't bother with the form of government that he had, because we now have something better. Just as we don't have a theocracy with crosses all over public buildings because our culture has evolved past that too.

There's absolutely no point to discuss the obvious. 92.2% of Poles officially and freely declared themselves Roman Catholic, end of story. I don't care whether they're being seen as such by you or anyone else. If you tell me, you're atheist, I'm not gonna tell you, no you're not and I won't ask you any questions why you consider yourself an atheist, either. There's really nothing else, I'd like to add to this debate. If you guys feel like flipping the same crap upside down over and over again, you're welcome to do so but I'm done with it.

Enjoy.
4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Then why not pogan signs?

The establishment of a Polish state is often identified with the adoption of Christianity by its ruler Mieszko I in 966

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

that's why

R.I.P. done
4 eigner   
23 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Then why not pogan signs? Poland was pogan earlier than Catholic. But seriously- history is important but it shouldn't have place in political and public life this way. Neither should religion.

opinions vary

Because the government and it's institutions should care about all the citizens,

they don't care either way, not in Poland and not here either. and it's naive to believe, they do.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread, enjoy.
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Gazeta Wyborcza tells her crosses must go

OK, well if Gazeta Wyborcza says it, then they really have to go (......)

Any person who sings the British national anthem is admitting there is a God.

Side note: any Brit who's singing his national anthem is really singing a National Anthem of German Empire (just for your information, not meant as an insult)

youtube.com/watch?v=skfzF2zjnAY
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Hmm, we never had any referendum or something like that on the cross

What about the 1000 years of Poland with crosses? Does history mean anything to you? As a tolerant and liberal thinking woman, as you say you are, why does it matter to you, whether something meaningless (in your opinion) as crosses, will be removed from Poland or not?

I mean, if it doesn't mean anything to you then why worry about it, right? Just ignore it, don't look at it.
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Oh, ppl can believe what they want.

oh, I'm glad you give your countrymen that right ;-)

but as to the crosses in public places I'm pro "all or none".

look, the crosses were always present in Poland and if they never bothered anyone for so long (about 1000 years or so), why would anyone want them go now? It's just, let's call it, a liberal trend that wants them go and undoubtedly the vast majority of your countrymen are not a part of that trend, so why punish so many people just to make happy a few?
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

(6 miesięcy temu aktualizowany 6 miesięcy temu) it says it right above the pic, to the left from it

as for that part of your statement "Według Instytutu Statystyki kościoła Katolickiego wierzący katolicy stanowią 60,8% ludności Polski", I'm sure, Polonius3 will give you a much better answer than I'll be ever able to as I'm not a Catholic myself, only here to defend people's rights to believe whatever they choose to believe.
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

I never said 99% Lenka. The number I see usually is around 93% but anyways, I guess, it will be your experience against mine then. I wasn't there just for a visit. I believe, four years in Poland is enough to determine whether the links are correct or not.
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Hm, it's hard for me to believe in that number as well.

there are many links to choose from, Lenka. Whether you believe it or not is a different story. As far as I'm concerned, I choose to believe the numbers and my own experience (I lived in Poland). Don't forget, you live in a city where everything seems to be different than in other places in Poland and Varsovians tend to be more ... liberal than the rest of your countrymen.
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]

Most Poles freely declare themselves Roman Catholic, that's where the figure comes from DD. Accept it! I bet, you'd hate it too if someone would tell you that you're not what you say you are, right?
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

tak to prawda. Jak widzisz, ja mowie plynnie po polsku i znam polska historie moze nawet lepiej niz wielu Polakow ale na tym konczy sie moja Polskosc. So who can really claim to be Polish, me who speaks Polish and knows Polish history or mocha, who's born in Poland, to Polish parents and feels very Polish? ;-) I say, mocha is a winner !!! LOL
4 eigner   
22 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

Well the way I see it,if you were born there,and have the blood.Then you are Polish through and through.Especially if you claim it.

then again, one can be Polish even if he's not born over there too. There are quite a few options though.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

yes and then when you pass the test, that makes a you a Polish patriot (more or less), agree but I hope you'll agree with me that when you were born in Poland and additionally, you have Polish parents (which is not necessarily required) and already established Polish citizenship by owning a Polish passport, it's your right to call yourself a Pole, right?

(Btw. it's the same in many other countries too)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

Ihave my Polish passport and I have my Polish Birth Certificate. I Identify myself as being POLISH. Is that really so wrong, and you saying that i'm not polish isnt going to change it. Yes I grew up in the U.S and have accepted that form of lifestyle but my parents have always kept polish things around the house and we do celebrate some of the Polish holidays. We eat polish food in my house, not all the time but we do on occasion.

well, if that doesn't make you Polish then what does?
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

So when does one (or does one?) cease to be Polish after leaving Poland?

If you ask me, you're Polish (or anyone else for that matter) as long as you feel Polish. and no laws, definitions or rules will ever change it but it's my humble opinion and I'm sure, there are many PFers who'll disagree with me.

I'd say we are all humans first.

agree

OK, I personally disagree with that part of your statement as I'm an anti NWO, anti-globalist. I believe that it's possible to be a patriot and yet understand and respect other nationalities and countries.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

OK, let me ask you another question goofy, let's say a German couple (any country) decides to live in Poland and they eventually have a baby, born in Poland. Then the kid goes to school and learns Polish national anthem, knows Polish history etc. etc. is he/she a Pole or not?
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

A foreigner studying Polish language could learn the whole anthem and maybe even sing it better than Kaczyński and? Would that make him Polish?

damn girl, I wanna marry you, LOL Where were you hiding for so long? You're very smart, indeed ;-)
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

thats what i am saying f4...
she isnt polish... YET!

well, she's not a Polish citizen yet (I guess) but she feels Polish and if she really wants to be Polish, with her background, she'll certainly become Polish, sooner or later.
4 eigner   
21 Aug 2013
Life / What makes a man a Pole? what does it mean to be a Pole? [187]

not really.A pole should know the National Anthem.

but she'll certainly learn it, sooner or later. I don't wanna know how many Americans don't know our national anthem (LOL)
(especially the first generation)

my grandmother is polish ,she came to syria after marrying my grandpa ,my mom was born in Syria ,she took the polish passport ,and I took it from her ,so no ,you don't need to have a polish parent born in Poland

oh OK, so it's even easier than I expected.
Thanks Dany.