News / Polish Immigrants Leave America for Europe [210]


Like having to pay China back the money they owe? That would be catastrophic!


I'm sick to death of this word. Sure there are some people that specifically don't like Polish people but generally speaking, this 'polonophobia' is in the minds of some Polish people that like to play victim. Far worse racism and prejudice is aimed at Muslims, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics on a regular basis that to hear someone complaining that a few people don't like us Polaks is being plain whiny, in my opinion. Build a bridge and get over it.

News / Polish Immigrants Leave America for Europe [210]

Its very difficult to be successful at anything if you can't even communicate. As you said, its a competitive place and you need to be able to beat the next guy. People often look at learning English as a 'betrayal' of their mother tongue instead of as a power tool that they can master for their own advancement. Learning to speak another language (especially in the country you're living in!) can only be beneficial.

Re: Manual labour
I guess it depends on the kind you're talking about but in Canada there is a HUGE industry in construction and home renovations. If you're good at it and can set up a business (which requires being able to speak some English!), you can make yourself a very decent living. One of my parent's good friends (yes he's Polish) owns and runs a mid-sized company in this industry and is bringing in millions annually. He speaks English with an accent, but he's very good at getting his message across and he also has a very acute sense of business. None of these skills would be useful if he can't talk to other business owners.

Work / Education in Poland - system and structure [118]


I'm sure some of them are. I'm also sure that some of them aren't.
Never generalize, it just shows your ignorance.

I'm Polish and I love Poland but if Polish people were so much more educated than other nations, English being the example given here, what is with the mass exodus to other nations, England again being a prime example? Obviously, the English can't be that uneducated that people are immigrating to their region by the masses. It would be difficult to run a nation that is still one of the richest in the world if there would be so many 'dumb' people.

That being said, my mom went through the Masters program in Poland and was able to get a teaching job in Canada without a problem. She also continually get job offers to work for the board to work on the math curriculum (they're constantly changing the curriculum after every provincial election, because apparently the have nothing better to do) even though she mastered in history and not math. But then, I also know people that went through the same system as my mom and struggle to get a decent job. It also depends on the person. Not everyone is good at the same thing.


Sounds like Canada too.

News / Polish Immigrants Leave America for Europe [210]

I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize in advance if I come off as repetitive.

I understand if people are leaving the US for cultural reasons (parts of the US would drive me nuts enough to leave) but I really don't understand why people would be leaving because America isn't the gold mine they expected it to be. No matter where you go, no one is going to throw money at you. Opportunity is what you make of it. There are people that do next to nothing and then go around complaining that they're poor and want to go somewhere else. Thats pure BS, in my opinion. For those that are willing to work hard (not just doing physical work but also learning the language) success will follow. This isn't just about Polish people because I know lots of other people of all kinds of nationalities that stick to their own little area, are limited to crappy jobs because they can't communicate and then complain about the glory days of whichever country they're from. My friend's parents came from Portugal over 30 years ago and can't say "Hi, how are you?" without a thick accent. They stick to their small community and insist that their daughter marry a Portuguese guy because they won't be able to communicate otherwise. In order to be 'successful', I truly do believe that learning the language should be a top priority. Anyone can make a few bucks in Canada and the US but it will be a huge struggle unless you learn the language.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

I'm 23 (almost) and becoming very pessimistic about the world. All this paper writing is making me a little depressed about the way that the poor in the world are treated (not just by the EU but by their own governments). Its always great reading about how the US sponsored an army in Haiti to get rid of a more Social government but then when all the violence in the US broke out, they suddenly want nothing to do with Haiti. Its an ugly world out there, so yeah the UK and EU should be taking care of their own at the very least.

University is making me anti-everything

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]


Not just my opinion, but also the opinions of scholars who study this type of thing. There are numerous reports that easily justify my claims.

Like I stated above, I'm not singling out the UK as this horrid place that treats foreigners like dirt because that's not what I mean at all. I'm not even saying that the UK is the worst EU country in its dealings with asylum seekers. All I'm saying is that calling the UK a 'soft touch' isn't an honest depiction of the treatment of asylum seekers.

UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]

You need to realize that there's a difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker. If you're really worried about all these refugees coming in and taking over the UK you need not to worry anymore because only a small percentage of seekers get chosen for refugee status. The UK and other parts of Western Europe are hardly a soft touch as they ship people off to their country of origin (where they will likely be killed) in less than 'humane' ways. I'm studying Political Science at university and I wish I could link you to the full source (the journal article I'm talking about), but you'd need a subscription. Here's a link to the abstract and you can choose to buy the whole thing if you want to.

rac.sagepub.com/cgi/content/short/47/1/64
no-racism.net/literatur/22
irr.org.uk/2005/april/ha000011.html

Just because some sensational newpaper is claiming that refugees and asylum seekers are taking over the world, doesn't mean its actually true. In fact, the way that most of them (asylum seekers) are treated by UK and Western Europe is nothing short of horrific.