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Agreed!

But what I don't get is why you instead of working on real existent problems and disputes (and oh boy the EU is full with this) you keep talking about some imaginary nightmare....NOBODY wants that what you fear. NOBODY is planning that.

It's similiar to saying...."I'm not leaving my home tomorrow because green aliens from Mars could land!"
Yes, it could happen but the chances are very, very, very VERY slim to non-existent. :)

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I was saying that total independence is an illusion (besides being the US or China for that matter). I doubt there is one european country which could really claim total independence and souvereignity.

So as a goal it's useless. And it could even become hurtful if, in your desire to achieve it, you ignore the "real politik" in your neighbourhood.

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First, "multi kulti" is the counterpart to "mono kulti". You would have a point fearing the loss of cultural identity if anybody would plan a mono-kulti EU...but even as most countries already are the EU, a union of our multi-kulti countries, could logically be nothing else than multi-kulti itself! Meaning a multitude of cultures side by side! :)

I actually think it is impossible to make the EU to a mono-culture. That's something not even the SU achieved.

And I'm right beside you disliking a future centralized supra state...as are millions of EUians...and that also is not planned, as far as I know...

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Then you should know what the vaunted independence and souvereignity did for Poland, shouldn't you...

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Erm...what do you know about polish history? How many times got Poland partitioned, vanished even of the map, got invaded, occupied?

And that was "only" about military power...the future wars will be trade wars...the world is about to be parted into spheres of influences of continental blocs. The EU will make sure that one of these super blocs will be european. We will then be able to have a voice against the asian, eurasian and the american blocs...

For them Poland alone will not even be a blip on the radar!

ESPECIALLY the Poles should see the advantages to be a member in the European Union, ffs!!!

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Not if it's alone and tiny....even a middle sized country with a middle sized economy will have to be always thoughtful and considerate of the bigger kids on the near by play field. Total souvereignity has always been an illusion. Even North Korea would get real problems should China decide to take it's umbrella away.

That's why alliances are so popular. It's a five finger versus fist thing...That's why the EU was, is and will stay so popular. There is no other way for a smallish country to get a place on the top table together with the real big guys.


Nobody wants it's culture or identity erased, who told you that?

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You know that a federation offers the most possible souvereignity to the countries/regions, do you?

You are mixing the federal system with a centralized "superstate". IMHO a federation is highly attractive, any centralized system not. The SU was extremely centralized, only Moscow counted, nothing else.

In a regional federation (Europe of Regions) on the other hand, the weight and influence of every region would be even stronger than in their original centralized member countries, think about that Dirk!

blog.unitee.eu/archives/from-our-magazine/it-is-time-for-a-europe-of-regions

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In my example every family represents a nation, every member nation get's an apartement in this house, the house is their common home and as such it needs house rules....it's much more than just some money exchanging hands, that was my point.

Have to leave for now :)

'night

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Why not?

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It would had been a point if the SU would had supported us with billions every year as the EU does...otherwise there is no point!

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It's not only money, Iron.

With your example it would be more like an invitation into a house...an old house, already filled with families. The oldest families in there did even build this house together, they agreed to common house rules, so that this house stays sturdy and well maintained.

Many years later they offer outsiders an apartement in this house, bevor though they talk about these house rules and the newcomer agree, they will follow the rules.

So all agree the newcomer can come, and so this new family get's an apartement in this house. The other families even spend money so that their apartement get's soon furnished and renovated and all that.

In the meantime the new family has access to all the modern WC, to the stuffed refrigerator, to the nice garden and what not...all are happy...but then, after a few years...one of the new family heads get's stinky...he doesn't like these house rules anymore...he even starts to resent the old families for these rules they made so many years back...he says he feels oppressed by them....and anyhow, he doesn't likes this house anymore, he wants it changed...

What now?

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Are you Russian?

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A net-payer? Since when? I don't remember all the rubels rolling into the GDR, quite the contrary...


Read and weep:

WE, East Germany, were theeconomical assistanceto the SU...WE provided them with tech and goods...not the other way around! In other words, THEY extorted their vasall.

Compare that with Poland and the EU...

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It was at that time...sitting at the top table.


It may be never happen anyhow...


Well, over the years it costs more billions than they got. Germany always was a net payer, Poland still is the biggest recipient of EU funds since accession. And will stay so for the next years.

And what about the millions of Poles using the free movement and settling down everywhere across the EU, even in Belgium?

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Why?

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Agreed! :)

But it was a good thing with warts and all, our parents have been smart people...I don't see the sense in destroying all that, wishing it to fail, sorry!

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The accession process of Poland began already in 1989. The prospect of becoming a full member of the EU must have had a decisive influence of the investments world wide.The money coffers were opened, investors came running!

Not to mention EU funds finding already their way into the future member.


A future prospect Ukraine doesn't have and probably won't have for a long time...

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And still, more Poles immigrate to Belgium to live and work there than the other way around...."people voting with their feet" and all that! :)

vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2015/12/15/big_rise_in_the_numberofpolesandromaniansinbelgium-1-2524423

Living in the "enlightened, badly governed" West seems to be not so bad a thing, doesn't it...

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Oh boy....


wipjobs.com/european-funds-poland-a-model-to-follow-with-97-5-of-funding-spent

Few euros, huh? Peanuts! :)

The accession to the EU market and the support to rebuild your economy MAKE all the difference between a booming, rising economy and Ukraine!

I'm an Ossi and wouldn't even dream of thinking that East Germany would now look as good or even better without the support money from the West...I would be stupid!

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Why?

Look at those now inside the EU and those outside and compare...why is this ignorant?

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Yeah...absolutely thriller worthy stuff!!!


Inside the EU market with EU money...otherwise PiS Poland would look like Ukraine!

They know better than to demand a Polexit...for good reasons...

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So, would you prefer an EU without Germany?

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Now THAT is bullshit!

They say a big YES to the money and the privileges but F on the duties and responsibilities...and if they get the stink eye for that behaviour they call that "german bossiness".


Nope...it's proven!


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

This sky disc didn't develop in a vacuum...it was the high point of a surrounding civilization, which is only now being discovered and researched....in East Germany! :)

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The real native European has Nea-blood in them...we are the natives of the natives...the rest are all late immigrants....so! :)


3600 years of confirmed civilization...cooool! :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

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Even PiS, who likes to say so too has nothing against these EU funds:


They might F on the EU but for sure like their money...

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/365783,Poland-says-planned-cut-in-EU-funds-%E2%80%98unacceptable%E2%80%99

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What is BS and why?
(It's not even german BS but from polish sources...but they are all brainwashed and/or liars, right?:)

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He should then not only start paying for the polish farmers but think about an equal support replacement for many other Poles, start here:

polska.pl/economy/investments-projects/eu-funds-poland

Good luck "G"! :)

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A quite good summary about the AfD in "Der Spiegel"...in english...for those who are interested what will change Germany in the near future...

spiegel.de/international/germany/how-the-alternative-for-germany-has-transformed-the-country-a-1227360.html

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Interesting historical news just in:

It seems Germany's history is even much older than those already known 2000 years since Arminius kicked roman asses in the Teutoburger Forest.

Historians and scientists are now sure that the famous "Sky Disc of Nebra" points to an much earlier kingdom in what is now Germany, 3600 years back!

Sooo coool! :)

bild.de/regional/sachsen-anhalt/sachsen-anhalt-news/geheimnis-um-himmelsscheibe-von-nebra-geloest-57376172,la=de.bild.html

Ossis of course! :):):)

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I would even narrow it down to the Greens. One of their leaders (Claudia Roth) wasn't even ashamed to walk under a flag of the Antifa with the sentence "Deutschland verrecke"....I'm never gonna forgive the Greens for that! Even as I pursue a quite "green" lifestyle myself, I will never vote for them!

But still, they are only some margins. Not "the ruling class" and for sure not the majority of the Germans. It's just wrong to put it that way...