Love / Are Polish men romantic and caring or... "plain"? [85]

The problem with Poles in UK is that they, like you quite often come from podunk backwaters and attempt to be more english than the Brits themselves.

There is of course truth to there being an unusually high percentage of losers of both genders, people like you who couldnt build themselves a future in Poland often prefer to wash dishes in UK.

While i often hear that Poland is losing its best the truth is a large part of people who left are our worst.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

1. Russia was attacking Poland, there were border conflicts and the polish attack pre-empted the russian invasion by days, maybe weeks - Davies' statement is correct.

2. Ukraine was laid to waste in that a huge portion of the nation was starved to death, infrastructure was destroyed to prevent food transportation etc - Davies statement is correct.

3. Kulaks were starved to death or sent to Syberia - Davies is again correct.

4. Man made famines in Ukraine are not "supposed" this word discredits your entire source, its proven they've been enginereed.

All of your sad attempts have been rebuffed, now link us to the site you're quoting, i bet it says Viktor Suvorow or some other charming russian fellow.

Come on kurwa boy give us the link:)))))

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Could you provide a single statement that by Davies that makes him biased? Of course you can't, you traditionally escape from responsibility for your silly little opinions:)))

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


So basically just because yoou dont like Poland you baselessly attack Davies? Good one:)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


In BBs world of supreme Germany Italy, Japan, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Finnland contributed nothing at all:)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


RA was inferior untill the end of the war, however Russians made the gap from focking huge to much smaller, of course you still werent able to use Luftwaffe in the east as early as 1943 because russian divisions had an equivalent of AA brigade attached to them and shot down everything that came close.


Absolutely, it also had the best jet fighters but as an organisation it was still inferior to western airforces.


But he didnt and he couldnt have, he could not outproduce UK, BoB was his only window of opportunity, outside it short term solution to the british issue was impossible.


Night:)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


It doesnt matter, after 4 months UK was outproducing Germany and by 1942 production reached 300% of the peak level during BoB, they trained six times more pilots as well.

Germany had no hope of competing, it didnt have enough factories, resources and german organisation was horrid.

To be more specific, UK was pumping money into its air industry since 29, Germany started spending less than half british total in 34, Brits had at least 10 years head start in industry.


Who says anything about blockading? Brits could run over any german fleet without even breaking a sweat, they had 3 times capital ships and 4 times heavy cruisers, any invasion of the islands with RN intact was a myth.


Yes it does and when they were introduced german air victories dropped dramatically, in 41-42 RA flies ancient junk, 43 is the year of refit and Russians go on the roll only in 44-45.


Given that allied formations regularly slaughtered their numerical counterparts due to better group tactics, intel and ground deployment strategy individual superiority of relatively few ace fliers ment little.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


He did, 80% of all combat aircraft were used in BoB, the remaining 20% were being serviced, repaired or canibalized, in the later stages of BoB UK outproduced Germany 5:2 fighters and trained 3 pilots for every 2 german.

Germany compared to UK had limited resources when it came to building planes.


Yes because they were islands, all it took is RN blocking supplies and reinforcements from mainland France.


Both RAF and USAF were superior to Luftwaffe, Luftwaffe churned out more individual aces but their tactics, strategy and co-operation with ground detection and AA facilities suffered when compared to the western allies.


He's right to an extent, RAF (Red Airforce) was flying Polikarpovs and other junk, when Russians got to use real fighters german pilots survivability and the amount of scoring aces dropped dramatically.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


I dont have to be better, what kind of an idiot established that you have to have a high ground for any sort of opinion?

I dont like Jews because of what they do and what they represent, i hate Israel because its a racist state built on the blood of the locals, period.

I dont claim to be better or superior i'm just a guy with an opinion, just like you.


Last time i've been to a church was a year ago, as a tourist, i've never beaten or mistreated anyone because of their race though i did give a bloody nose to a kurdish student for slapping my girl once.

Not much of an extremist or a Christian, i'm a Pole though, one out of three aint bad kurwa boy.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


You dont get it buddy, i'm not defending Palestinians, i dont like Arabs, they're an unwashed bunch from an inferior culture who had their 5 minutes centuries ago and were busy f*cking goats and blowing up sh*t ever since, almost as bad as Jews, what i'm defending is principles of basic rights that every human being: Jew, Arab or Pole is in my view entitled to and i feel its my duty to speak for people who're being denied them even if its just on an online board discussing with some random cretin like you.

I dont have to like people, races, religions to defend their rights, if you switched roles and Jews were the victims and Palestinians the occupants i'd defend the Jews.

Comprende? Capito? Understood? You're such an annoying kurwa boy.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Learn history, Romans burned Jerusalem but they didnt kick anyone out, Jews left out of their own accord, they preferred to live elsewhere then to rebuild.


So?


Not really.


Enjoying the same rights and priveliges only externally, in reality they're second class citizens.


Which changes the situation of milions of Arabs whos lands were stolen by Jews, who's water is stolen by Jews, who's children are killed by Jews how?


Again they left out of their own accord and they left nearly 2000 years ago, 2000 years of absence means you lose all claim to lands, otherwise give Berlin to the Poles, we were there first.

You cant condone theft of land because someone was there 1000, 3000 or 10.000 years ago, they left for over 20 centuries they had no right to return taking it away from people who lived there for over a 1000 years.


An insult, you know whenever i discuss with an idiot who's uneducated, opinionated and feels that he's entitled to opinion just because he can form a relatively coherent sentence i can't bring myself to respect him.

I firmly believe in freedom of speech even when it includes idiots like you but i dont have to like it.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


I'm human, i try to live like a good christian but ultimately i dont buy into the other cheeck thing.


Freedom, liberty, right to own your home and live on your land, Jews came and took away palestinian homes, land and liberties in the name of murky treaties with powers that had no right to the land in the first place.

Then in the name of a jewish written book (bible) Jews under the banner of religion and using holocaust as a guilt weapon killed, evicted and supressed Palestinians carving a country out of a land of others.

Jews have no right to have a country in Israel, never had, never will, not in the homes and lands of others, Jews as a nation lost right to Israel after they willingly left it following the burning of Jerusalem.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


We're both aware that maybe 5% of the posters are polish, i hate Israel and dislike Israeli Jews because you guys stand against everything i believe, it has nothing to do with you being jewish and everything with you being thugs, thieves, murders and religious fascists who hate Poland with a passion and try to cover up every crime your nation commits daily against the locals.

It has nothing to do with me being polish or you being jewish and everything to do with principles i chose to live by like liberty, freedom and all those high strung words but you felt the need to imply i made those remarks because i'm polish and this is a polish forum.

This officially makes you an anti-polish fock.


You're a cretin chap, i dont like muslims but i dont have to like them to defend their basic human rights, Jews have no right to Israel, no right to live on the property they've taken and need to be dealt with like every other thief.

Also Seanus is actually a jewish rabbi.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Israeli anti-polonism again?

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Cracking enigma was crucial to plotting the paths of the wolf packs, without the 7 years of polish work (and Poles had the best mathematicians in Europe at the time) Brits just wouldnt have the time (even with the mountains of data provided by Poland it took them a year).

No cracked enigma = no convoys. No convoys = UK starved into capitulation.

While we can argue whether the polish airmen contribution was crucial to the survival of RAF the fact that without polish crack of the enigma UK would be lost is unconditional.

Not only did Poles crack the Enigma but provided Żygalski' Sheets, developed by the polish cryptographer perforated sheets critical in operation the code cracking operations in Bletchley.

Even better he along with Rajewski built a working copy of Enigma which also went to UK.

The battle of Atlantic was won by british and american navies but the victory was impossible without the polish contribution.

Also the captured enigma would be useless to brits without the polish data, it took seven years to break an inferior version, how long would it take Brits without polish devices and research?

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Not for Poland who was the member of the allies in name only, it did not receive any moral recognition, there were not even token gestures.


Were they crucial for the defence of your country? Poles took 7 years to crack the Enigma, without it the Brits could never win the battle of Atlantic, without polish support UK would have fallen.

Our thanks? The british movie "Enigma" not only omits the fact that british intelligence was only capable of success due to enormous polish support but make the single Pole in the movie a traitor, sorry Sean but no amount of your leftist bullcrap will make it any less of a deal, its a f*cking big deal for us.

We bled for your country, we contributed to its safety defence and welfare, without our scientists and pilots UK would have fallen and even today we're being insulted by british movies and people like Shelleys or you try to lecture us about moving on and forgetting how UK spat us in the face for all our efforts.

No one is forgetting anytime soon.


Common Brits today raised in spirit, why do you think Shelleys made such a thread?

She's not Harry or Sjam, she's not anti-Polish she's just raised in that bullsh*t leftist society you call the british nation, no wonder she can't appreciate the weight and importance of remembering stuff like that.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


None, what obligation does Poland have to forget british treason and generations of anti-polish propaganda and historic lies afterwards? None.


I know what Churchill said, i know that british historians list polish achievements crucial to UK safety as their own.

We cracked the Enigma, We provided Bletchley Park with mathematics and tools needed to operate it, We accounted for 60% of Luftwaffe kills in the crucial four weeks of the BoB and 13% total kills, it was Our mathematics, Our intel, Our effort.

Without Poles Brits would be blind deaf and stupid, the moment i read Bletchley Park or BoB was a british success Brits can kiss my ass, so yeah not only did UK sell Poland without a blink, not only did it mistreat Poles every step of the way but it then stole all polish achievements as its own.


I skip Harrys posts, you know how repetitive he is but since you bring it up, Poles were not given any support beyond a token sum of money, they've been disbanded and treated as second class citizens.

Common Brits were a different matter, they helped and they not the british govt are the reason our people managed to find themselves a life in UK.


Please remember they had no obligation to fight for UK, they could just board a ship to USA. please remember that at that particular time UK had no trained pilots to spare and Poles were all among the top scoring fighter squadrons.

Also speaking of british aircraft, polish pilots were treated as second class even then, they received Hurricanes when british pilots of inferior skill got newer Spitfires, even the 303 squadron received Spitfires after BoB.

To add insult to injury people running statistics intentionally did not acknowledge 303s reports of shot down aircraft to have british pilots as top scoring aces.

The british 603 had a 57.8 reported victories (Brits flying Spitfires) , 303 had 60 confirmed victories flying older Hurricanes but british people running statistics acknowledged only 30.

So dont tell me about blame culture or obligations, as far as i'm concerned not a single Pole should have died for UK, your entire country is not worth one drop of our blood, yeah we like your money but thats just because you're fat with wealth and easy to milk, but forgetting how you treated us during WW2? Ne-f*cking-ver.

Since you live in Poland you know i speak for the nation now, all generations.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

Oh Brits definitely gave Poland away, Poland saved UK by principle of making Bletchley Park possible (and possibly saving RAF during BoBs critical period) and there was not even a token protest.

No one reasonably expected UK to fight or even enter any kind of conflict over Poland but Poland was given away without even a blink, add to that humiliating Poles by not inviting them to the victory parade and you get the idea.

Its not what UK did or didnt do, no one in UK even spoke for Poland.

As far as actuall giving away US is the culprit, to use the metaphore, US killed the man but UK shat on his corpse.


Quite wrong, non-communist Poland would have prevented the cold war by principle of shifting Russias focus from global to regional.


I'm sorry but in WW2 its Brits, French and Americans who indirectly and Germans and Russians who directly destroyed Poland,much our elites died quite often defending a hopeless case when all of the world either killed or betrayed us.

Thats how it looks from our side so people like Shelleys posting about blame culture can go fock themselves (well not Shelleys i actually like her despite the stupid thread) we have no intention of forgetting, ever.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


No, Palestinians are perfectly justified in killing Jews, Jews stole their homes, i'm all for killing thieves.


UN had no rights to that land, you can't give away something thats not yours, UN justified jewish invasion and theft of the land rightfully belonging to other people, you are now justifing jewish theft and murder of the local population in the name of their racist, fascist agenda.


You're a cretin, use the search function, 90% of all jews regardless of age act racist towards Poles when in Poland.


We the Poles care you little inbred moron.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Soviets attacked out of their own initiative, the sad truth was Poland was not a bargaining chip, Germany was. Poland was given away by USA without a second thought.


True,history books are usually second hand information, can't say i was present in Yalta myself.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


American jewry i should add, amusing thing is that those same jews disliked not to say hated the polish jews.


American society was very negative against Poland, their newspapers described Poles as blundering idiots or nazi allies, the reasons were that a great deal of american jews were pro-communist and Poland was sorta leading the fight on that field, especially since 1920 when it stopped communism under Warsaw.


Hurricanes were equal and Spitfires superior to BF-109, check them yourself there's a fockton of materials about BoB in british.


If we're talking about discovery or CNN documentaries than they're absolutely historically worthless, sometimes they contain misconceptions, sometimes outright lies, either way they're as close to historical truth as say Hollywoods "Troy".


Thats a joke right? I'm going to give you a tip, the Spitfire was produced since 1938, BoB was in 1940.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]

You mean like they do in Palestine? Or like they do visiting Poland and beating up polish citizens?

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


First of all Jews were interested in destroying Poland, second of all fortifying the entire border would cost more than Germany and France made together in 3 years.


Only when its interests in Europe were threatened, it was very pro-nazi and anti-Polish early on, later it simply became anti-nazi and anti-Polish.


Money for which would come from where?


True.


By second half of BoB UK was producing three times the fighters Luftwaffe did and trained 3 pilots for every 2 German pilots.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]

How is becoming a jew better than being a skinhead? The only real difference is jews have more hair, the attitude is pretty much the same.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Thats just newspeak Sean, banks were controlled by Jews who were often pro-communist and anti-Polish and besides who was going to give Poland that loan? America was supporting Nazis, UK and France simply didnt care, so where was that loan going to come from, the moon?

Also what last resort measures?


You had the channel which limited the range of german fighters, you had the superior aero-industry and you had superior numbers for half the battle.


No one knew that, USA could tell Stalin to do a backflip and he'd do it, America itself did everything to give an impression that it has a stockpile.


You reaaaaally need to learn your history before posting bullsh*t.

The sad fact is USA didnt give a sh*t about Poland and was quite strongly anti-polish given the attitudes of the american jewry, the infamous "polack jokes" were born in that period, for example it was USA that gave away the polish city of Lwów to Russia.


No they could not, the Czechs only expressed interest in better relations after the Germans annexed their industry, by then they were a worthless ally with a weak army.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Which proves a point, who's to say where will Germany be in 50 years?:)


Me? Its you who claims a recent and not necceserily permanent thing like unified Germany is some sort of "natural order" to Europe:)

Neither you nor Poland or any country in central Europe stays the same for long and you assume for some reason that your money is going to carry you through, it didnt thus far.


Yes lovely and it never crossed your mind that it might not be permanent? Germany is around for a grand total of 139 years, for the remaining 1000+ it was a weak and divided federation, hmm wonder which is the natural order bit, the 1.5 century of unification or the 10+ centuries of division:))


So Germany is not an old has been?:)


Actually its only due to american money and 65 years of free market interactions that Germany reached its full potential, Poland however is pretty far from its full potential but the crisis however gave us all a hint didnt it?


No i dont, in a previous thread i pointed to obvious attempts by Germany to dominate the region of Poland they want back, that one is going to fail as well.

Anyway while i really can relate to being a merrily blind patriot carefull with the "natural order" of thing, Germany got on the bandwagon fairly recently and while still kicking it lost its momentum quite for quite a while now so carefull with taking things for granted.

Your kids are just as likely to iive in Breslau as they're in a loose federation of small german states, panta rhei, especially for Germany as history shows:)


We'd still have kings without the war.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Really? We've been a power for over 370 years, Germany is a power for less then 200, whats the natural balance of Europe, you tell me:)

As someone pointed out before Poland was getting ganged up for the last 2 centuries so maybe now when we can breath again we get to see whatever the natural balance of Europe is supposed to be:))

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Ah no as far as griping you're almost Polish level.


They're so leftist i wanted to puke reading them, i'd like to read a good history book sadly most of them are biased sh*t, Polish ones seem less so but that might be me being a Pole...


He's already giving away our industry to Germany, whats to stop him from making us suffer jewish extortion?

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Yes but there's Scottish ******** and moaning and Polish ******** and moaning:)


To be honest i didnt see anything out of ordinary here, its the same as with England.


Every nation is built by history so of course our spirit has part of its roots in WWII.

Poland was the country that not only suffered the most but was denied the right to recover for decades willingly forgotten by the West.

The entire myth of Poles as vile anti-semites and car thieves was given birth to shove Poland and what was done to it by the powers of Europe under the carpet and now people from said countries drop by and tell us to stop b*tching.

Unlike Jews we do not try to extort money or constant apologies but we do want to remember and discuss what was done to us, we want to remember so it doesnt happen to us the next time and anyone who thinks this is just some blame game we enjoy is either ignorant or arogant.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


You betrayed the most awesome movie director in the world selling him to the British.

Anyway Seanus while i'm glad that people like you choose to live here your lack of comprehension towards our b*tching and moaning clearly shows that nations are different:)