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youz Normans are the blow ins compared to the Irish travellers, it's a question of timing :p

Oh I have to show you this for your use of Pikey dirty tinker just for fun :)

youtu.be/331YmwuQUGU

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Everyone should be prosecuted for breaking the law of the land.
Why are you guys thinking that I say Romani should be exempt from the basic laws, I have never thought that.


How do we stop people in our own societies from robbing and selling drugs?
if you have the answer PM me, cause I will make millions.

Again I only know about the Irish travellers and they do not fit into any of your a,b ro c labels Shawn, they live on the fringes of our society.

Customs and employment
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller#Customs_and_employment


I never heard of it until just now.


What you want free beer for the Romani too? :)

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I can't answer for Harry.
My thoughts on the matter are that, the Romani are a peoples of Europe, who live on the fringes of our societies and have been persecuted and have lived separate lives.

The best any of you can come up with is forced integration, which has been tried numerous times in the past and still hasn't worked.

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Are you off your head?

I don't mean people can rob you and legally sell illegal drugs.
Nope, not at all.


Now I see the problem.

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What do you mean?
I thought that is exactly what they are doing?


What amounts does this actually account for?
Many people I know say that pensions have to be slashed but can't give me any figures.

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Could you explain?

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So there goes your integrated argument.


For you :p

I think they are a perfect example, Polish culture did not assimilate, the language did not die, traditions are still alive and the identity of being Polish still kicking.

Poland did not exist and now it does because fo the will of the people.


So how do you see integration working?
I guess if it hasn't worked for 500 years, it's not really an issue.
Force them?


Why?


I would say a little from column A and a little from column B.
I just oppose our thinking that anyone who does not think like us is wrong and should be re-educated.

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I thought he meant the Nazi Holocaust.
But it seems many European countries have done despicable things to the Romani people.

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Were Polish people content living in someone else's culture?
NO, to the extent they fought for their own country back.


Integrated? I just used you as an example, I don't want to talk about the U.S. it's a great place.


I agree, isn't that the point?

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that's strange because I could have sworn I was in Poland, not Germany, Austrian-Hungarian or Russia.
Where the flip am I???


I don't believe that, so if the Poles integrated so well, why is there a Poland?


Do Romani want their own country?


There was no gravity before Newton invented it either but you're still a yank :D


I doubt that for 500 years no Romani has ever integrated.
We are talking of a culture not an individual.

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yes after 500 years, like Convex is an American :p

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A recurring thought I have while reading this thread is about Poland during the partition, when it didn't exist.
If Poles had integrated into the German, Austrian-Hungarian and Russian Empires, there would be no modern day Poland and therefore no PF (can you imagine).


Yes they are Irish.


I thought all you had to do to be European was to live on the continent.
it is a geographical label not a state of being.

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Nope.

Bratwurst Boy, do you know any Romani people?


Well yes and no, Travellers are for the most part hated by settlers in Ireland.
You are getting my view of them and I do not hate them and see them as a part of our culture, even though they are a separate part they are still intertwined.


So are you saying they are not European? You call yourself an American but people who have lived here for 500 years are just blow ins?

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Doh!
yes, well...
*Looks around to find another topic and whistles ashamedly*


I don't really know the Roma, so my superficial answer would be that they are much the same in many ways even though they have separate cultures.

There was a time, when Irish travellers were respected skilled trades people, who brought news and spread our folklore all across Ireland and until modern times, I have heard it said that a villages doors would be open to them.

but with our particular form of education and world view, we think ourselves better than them. There are some real issues that I do disagree with with the Irish Travellers, such as education and health services but there is a tenancy to hate what we don't understand.

And Travellers keep to themselves, it is only when some of them get in to trouble that us settlers hear about them and we are so stupid we brand them all based on their worst.


I never see Roma here in Poland living in caravans the way that Irish travellers do, is it not common?
Is the Roma culture so bad for us? if so in what way?

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Nobody can call the Irish travellers guests in their ''host'' country Ireland, just because they did not assimilate, they are Irish and after 500 years we gotta call them Europeans, no?

I disagree with the idea that they are not indigenous (at this stage) becuase they kept their own traditions.
Sure would we not all be one country if we did not keep our own traditions?

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Is it really their host countries?
have they not lived here as long as the rest of us, they are hardly new to the area.

I know more about Irish travellers and they are not guests, they are as indigenous as I am.


Next you'll be slicing up Poland ;p

From my limited understanding, many Romani people are nomadic and do not require a country.

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Were you being ironic? cause that doesn't sound like you.

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Sure the 67.3 Billion (milliard for the Poles) funds available in the years 2007-13 are definitely helping, no question.

But there is a problem here with the cost of living, non-Polish commodities are the same price in Ireland/Britain as here, yet the wages are approximately four times lower.


We all know that Poland's GDP is good.

But there is still a big gap between Poland and older E.U. countries and with the general slow down and collapse of the PIIGS, it may get worse.

I agree with southern, it seems to all depend on Germany, so long as they think it profitable it will work.

And lets face it, this is the biggest problem the E.U. has had to face and it's not as if anyone thought there would never be a bad day again.

I don't personally think that Poland is bankrupt but in this global economy, I can't really see how it is a kind of island, independent from the rest of the world's economic situation, if you know what I mean?

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I agree. Merkel says Germany will never abandon euro.

But if the Euro devalues, will the Zloty not devalue even more?

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If P.I.I.G.S go bankrupt, will that not be the end of the Euro?
And even if the Euro remains but devalues, will it not be the other independent currencies, like the Zloty, that will take an even bigger hit because people will sell out of fear?

Tusk is acting the mickey trying to get his hands on OFE, short term strategies are no good.

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I am from Ireland.


I already said they were but not in great detail.

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When we were all kids my brother asked another kid tinker, why they were called tinkers and with a thoughtful expression he replied "it must be because we tink so much" :)


I meant in Poland the main focus was on Poles, Polish Jews and other Jews from around Europe.
Although Ramani were mentioned, I only found out some of the details recently.

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That animal's name came up a lot in reading about Romani in WWII.
It is freaky reading about people like him, freaky in the sense that it was all kind of 'civilised' and 'normal' that another human being, like myself, could do such things is mind boggling.


The focus is on Poles and Polish Jews.

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I agree but it is immoral to judge a whole group of people in a discriminator manner.

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Fair point.

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Are you saying it's a kind of 'Mob Rule'?
You are either with us or hit the road?

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I have only recently read about Romani in WWII death camps, unfortunately it has not had the publicity that it should have had in my life.

The Roma people are probably the most discriminated natives in Europe.
I don't know of any country that this could not have happened in, in other words, Poland is not special in this regard.

My thoughts on the issue are conflicted:
Morally it is wrong to ban someone based on their ethnicity or perceived stereotype but legally I think pubs and clubs should be allowed to admit or deny whoever they want.

There are Romani people around here (where I live in Poland) and they wear the most beautiful colourful traditional dresses. I always catch myself staring at the wonderful colours and of course the ladies in them :)


Come on, this is a discussion forum... we have to get into it or else there won't be much of a discussion just a load of bickering (on PF? NEVER:)

One thing I associate with Ramani people that sets them apart from every other culture I have come into contact with, is that begging seems to be regarded as quite normal, it does not seem to be frowned upon, at least to the same extent as in other cultures.

I would like to add a disclaimer, that I do not know any Romani people, I do know some Irish travellers but they are not of the same culture.

And I am not saying that all Roma people beg.


I think this is a fair point.

In Ireland we have "Irish travellers", they are also demonised and persecuted.
They do not go to our schools or settle in one place and are basically outsiders in our 'oh so modern world', which is a real pity, as I strongly oppose the homogenisation of our thoughts and therefore our lives.

Where anyone who thinks and lives differently is discriminated against.
It is a sickness we have developed.

And pubs do shut down when there is a traveller's wedding or funeral because of some of the travellers giving the rest a bad name.

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You think you'll find like-minded racist idiots who blame their shortcomings on others and treat women like possessions?
yeah:) good luck with that :) :) :)

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Just to set the record straight.
I have no native English speaking friends, work colleagues or people in my daily life whatsoever.

I at least provide website links to backup my opinions on such matters otherwise it is just waffle,... Milky ;)


:) :) :)

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He lives in Ireland but he can use my address for mailing. I thought he could use any bank here in Poland, that you don't need to be a resident?

What's the difference?