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rybnik   
31 Aug 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

I suppose......but only until the election(: When this election is over and done with, I will just simply completely ignore what they are saying, because i will do so in the knowledge that Kaczynski will never return to power ever again, and quite possibly PIS will fall apart.

I am on the outside looking in and I have a question regarding PiS: 1) are most of its members seniors? 2) if so, what will happen to this party when they die off?
rybnik   
30 Aug 2011
History / What are Poland's greatest attributes? [5]

Poles are very proud, among other things, of simply being. In other words, being a bone fide country despite all the crap fate and history has thrown at her. The Pole's greatest accomplishment, imo, is to still be standing as Poles in Poland.
rybnik   
30 Aug 2011
Language / Wedding day talk - common sayings or interesting phrases? [11]

Do you have any common sayings or interesting phrases that are used in polish weddings, at the church, and at the reception after or any useful vocabulary?

I went through this myself knowing average Polish. My unsolicited advice? Smile a lot (as if you really mean it) and say dziękuję a lot. Here is your one "free pass" to not worry about your Polish - use it! You will have many more important things on your mind. Don't worry about this. You'll have plenty of time to work on your Polish. Congratulations! And Wszystkiego najlepszego!
rybnik   
30 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

Trial by vodka
Unlike Lance, the rest of us kept to ourselves. Friday night was American night along with Saturday night and Sunday night. We were, truth be told, a pathetic, cowardly bunch. In spite of the many invites by Poles to their parties, we Americans froze, said "nie dziękuję" and proceeded to drink Beck's in a cramped American dorm room, with a bunch of cramped Americans. Yep. It was boring and predictable BUT IT WAS SAFE. When you stay with your own you are assured of one thing: no one is going to critique your Polish or interogate you about how much an average plumber makes or how much a loaf of bread costs or how long you have to work to afford a car or an apartment or a house or a..or a... Most of us regretted doing this but we were weak; we were scared and we were paranoid. We inherently knew that our behavior was antithetical to what we were really there for but the prevailing strategy was "better safe than sorry."

It sucked. We knew it. We weren't proud about it. The reasons for this apparent anti-social behavior were myriad. Some, like PT, saw a conspiracy around every corner. His father, like mine, never returned to their homeland after the war. Communism was the root of all evil. That's what we were taught we beleived it. Others, like the Canadians, who were far removed from Polish culture and tradition, were just xenophobic. Still others, were simply suffering from anti-social personality and couldn't get along with the tooth fairy if their lives depended on it.

It didn't take long for me to understand, that booze made you brave and lowered your inhibitions. I used that knowledge to breakthrough and "go Polish". The results were mixed.

One of my most embarassing experiences in Poland occured during my first year at one of those "Polish" dorm parties. As usual, I self-medicated myself with Żytnia and I'm in my glory. I'm szprehaching Polish like there's no tomorrow. People are listening to me AND they appear to be understanding me! I've got the room in the palm of my hands and it feels great! I'm speaking a foreign language in a foreign country and the natives are diggin' it! Then it happens- every foreigner's nightmare: the grand, embarrasing correction. Suddenly a Pole stands up, points an accusatory finger at me and shouts "Co mówiłeś"? ("What did you say"?). The room went still. "CO TY MOWI£EŚ"? This guy was so excited, so animated you'd think I told him tomorrow's Toto-Lotek numbers!! What did I say? What DID I say?? "Czy Ty mowiłeś zawżde"? "zawżde"? I looked at this skinny drunk Pole all flushed with excitement and ethanol and thinking "Yeah, I did say zawżde so what the Fu*k of it"! It turned out, as he explained laughingly, that the form of zawsze I was using, zawżde, was an antiquated word only encountered, heretofore, in Old-Polish literature. I was to them an anthropological hold-over. The entire room got a good laugh at my expense. You know what? I wasn't offended. I instictively understood, that I had just thrown the room a big curve and that they were appreciative of the diversion. Some stopped laughing and began interviewing me in an attempt to figure out how this came about. I, truth be told, enjoyed all the attention. My mom's parents used this form of zawsze so I also used it. For the rest of that year I became known as "Pan Zawżde" to the Poles on my floor. That was a good night.

Our First Thanksgiving
One of the Americans with us that year was Mike from Detroit. "Detroit Mike" as we called him, looked as if he was plucked from a logging field deep within a primordial forest. He was tall, stocky with a full beard and a ruddy complection. All that was missing was a chainsaw and a French-Canadian accent. Michał was about 10 years older than rest of us, not from a Polish background and was a union organizer (United Auto Workers) back home. He gave up the rough n' tumble life of setting-up unions and strikes for the more staid existence of a medical student.

Although Mike was living in Poland, his organizer instincts never left him. He would call monthly meetings where we foreigners would discuss our gripes( eg we hated that the communal toilets were never cleaned; the smell and the ever-present surprises waiting for you at the bottom of the bowl were a daily source of revulsion). These would later be presented to the dorm's administration. Nothing ever got done but it was a great excuse to get together on a regular basis. It was at one of those meetings where PT and I were ambushed.

[i]Before I go any further, I have to preface what's coming by saying, that I was very trusting and naive. My index of suspicion was barely registering.

Sometime before Halloween Mike had called an"emergency meeting". Only a handful of cudzoziemcy showed up. PT and I were the last to arrive. As soon as we sat down, this Jimmy Hoffa wannabe brought the meeting to order and got down to business. "People, Thanksgiving is coming and we need to have a Thanksgiving Day dinner. It would be great for morale (which was getting pretty low by this time). Who wants to do it? Before I could process that last sentence, Michael says "All in favor of PT and Herb organizing the Thanksgiving Dinner say ay". 10 hands went up, next thing we knew pats on the back and a "congratulations" and a warning from Detroit Mike: "make sure you have cranberries".
rybnik   
28 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

On that same day we ventured further and deeper towards the heart of the city. Saying our good-byes to our Babcia-teachers we got back on the tram (#7 I think) and continued on Piastowska Street.

(I remember never having to wait long for this tram. It seemed to always be running).

The tram was packed with lots of sweaty, smelly people. They came in all sizes, ages and in both genders were represented. The car was ripe! Adding optical insult to olfactory injury was the sight of the most hirsute women I had ever seen. As an adolescent, I had heard stories of those girls in Europe, who preferred not to shave themselves but to encounter them in the flesh was a zupelna inna sprawa!. To say it was disgusting would be too harsh but it did take a lot of getting used to- especially the legs. Some were endowed with a thicker ruff than PT - and he was hairy. The hairy armpits, on the other hand, didn't evoke much of a reaction. You see, I was already desensitized having been raised by Polish women, who chose to "let it all hang out" (and I do mean hang) but furry lower extremities was something I had never, ever seen. I have to admit they held a certain facination for me. Similar to when you see your first two-headed calf or other such anomaly at your local county fair. I couldn't keep my eyes averted from the fuzziness. " What did they feel like"; "Boy would I love to shave them" - just some of the thoughts running through my head at that time.

The sights and smells notwithstanding, I remember witnessing one of the most beautiful customs I had ever seen in my life on that tram ride. I'm talking about the giving-up of your seat to an elderly person. I had never, ever seen such a thing. People, I was blown away. This young guy just stood up and relinquished his seat just like that! No one had to cue him or nudge him or anything. This type of thing would never go down on a New York City subway. Never! I was thnderstruck and I shared this story for days afterwards. Way to go Poles.

"Kontrol". "Kontrol"..A short, pale-complected man appeared out of nowhere wearing a uniform and a cap telling me to kontrol. Control what? What's he talking about? He gesticulates with his hands and fingers something akin to getting/receiving something. Oh! I think he wants to see my ticket!!! Thankfully, I skasowałem one and showed it to him. He looked at it, grunted something and continued on to the next victim.....Hahaha! I passed my first kontrol! I felt good.

Looking out the window I remember seeing mostly women with their shopping bags walking the sidewalks darting in and out of each store they passed. They reminded me of a school of feeding minnows: always pursuing the meals ever forwards. As I recall, the torebki were mainly filled with apples.

"Let's go, this is our stop", PT barked and off we went.

The place was a madhouse. That I remember. The traffic, the pedestrians, the trams all vying for position and space. The fumes, the noise all were contributing to a real sense of exhiliration I had never felt before. I was dizzy. By the grace of God we crossed the street and entered the Planty. The Planty is a magnificient park encircling the town square. I know it's a stretch but I always thought of this park as Krakow's Central Park.
rybnik   
27 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

Out into the world
The memories of my first days outside the dorm will forever be seered into my memory. Sights, sounds and smells then encountered are as vivid in my consciousness as if they happened yesterday.

It was a beautiful August summer day. The sexy Polkas were out in their summer dresses and I was king of the world!
But then,
the noise! Having been raised in Jersey chicken-farm country(where the most-disturbing sound one might encounter might be a cat fighting an opposum), I wasn't used to the city. Kraków's street symphony was a cacophony of sounds: screeching/squealing/clanging metal (trams), put-put-put of the 2-cycle-engined cars, and the low frequency rumble of the PKS buses. It was noisy and it was sexy. It was exotic. I was a stranger in a strange new world.

After the acoustic assault came the smells. What hit me the quickest and the hardest were the fumes! During my year in Kraków the locals were constantly reminding me of how the city lies in a bowl. And that all the smoke,pollution and fumes just linger above the town to irritate Cracowian mucous membranes for days to come. I couldn't tell where they were coming from. I instinctively recognized them as by-products of internal combustible engines but which engines?! Were they from the trams(I never saw a tram before, so I didn't have a clue lol)? or from the buses? or from the put-puts? or? or?... That smell was so pervasive and pentrating a smell I had ever smelled! It lingered in my nostrils for hours! It was such a novel scent, that it took me a few days to make the connection. After much cogitation I concluded that it had to come from the put-puts! You know, those 2-door, 2-stroke engined Syrenas and Trabants. I'm telling you it was a sight to see: small, flimsy-looking cars with blue smoke spewing from the tailpipe, sparring with the bigger vehicles for the road. They were odd-looking cars with plenty of attitude: cars that got the job done despite their looks (later I was to understand how these fiesty vehicles were emblematic of their owners' attitudes). Just like their un-impressive-looking cars, the Poles, despite the paucity of "fluff" got the job done.

It was simply an orgy of sight, sound and smell.

On our to-do list that day, was to buy bread. Polish bread during those seven years, was always fresh, always good and always cheap. However, it did come at a price: you had to wait. I can count on one hand the times I just walked in, bought my "bohenek żytniego" (loaf of rye) and left without waiting in line. There was always a kolejka. Always! Way before the "nie ma" days that were to follow, where you stood in line for EVERYTHING. If you wanted your bread(and delicious fresh rolls) fresh from the oven, you waited in line.

I'm sorry but I've got to go. My daughter is calling out for food......Maybe one more "relacja"
The babcias
I called all those chunky, blunt, rude,broads who shamelessly corrected my Polish in all the stores of Kraków the Babcias. The Babcias were notorious for correcting your grammar. It didn't matter how hard you were trying or how broad you smiled or how deeply you bowed, these babuszkas, if your sentence was incorrect, would let you know about it. They would just up and say it: "Nie proszę Pana, się mowi ........." WTF? This was the height of insult for us Americans! Can you imagine? How dare these women correct me! Don't they know I'm an American and I AM TRYING! It was so widespread we all thought it was a communist conspiracy(we thought that of a lot of things). It literally didn't matter where you were, kawiarnia, piekarnia, Dom Towarowy, on the tram, anywhere, the Babcias were there to tell you your Polish sucked. Or so I thought.

It didn't take long for me to love them. Those lovely, darling, corpulent ladies of the Communist retail world were directly responsible for me "upping my game". Thanks to them my Polish improved exponentially in that first year!

After a few visits with them I realized they were not correcting me ze złości (out of spite). They were rather doing it out of pride for their language maybe; possibly out of (Christian)love. I didn't know nor did I care. Whatever the reason, it definitely was not out of hate. It became a game after a while. You were determined to return to your Babcia and show her your chops. You were not going to make that same mistake again! Nope! This time I'll buy my bread without any corrections. I won't give her the chance. For me, who has always been a tad competetive, this was all that I needed to spur me on to learn my grammar. And man did it feel good when you did it. You felt high. It was great!

Babcia never complimented you when you got it finally right. Your reward was not to be corrected po prostu. And that was fine my me.

At first it was irritating(insulting too) BUT it turned out to be one of the sincerest expressions of love I have ever experienced from a stranger in my life (that's how I like to look at it). And that's why I do the same to all the foreigners I come into contact with. God bless the Babcias.

It's only noon.
rybnik   
25 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

Lance was the king.
Wasn't a boyfriend from the West a valuable trophy for a Polish girl back then? Weren't local Poles jelous of that?

Lance, it turned out, was the man...... You know, most of the girls in the beginning were very wary of us; the overwhelming majority of Poles treated us well. They may have been jealous but they never showed it. There were of course exceptions :(

The only thing missing was a Gauloises smoldering in between his teeth.
Rather "Sport".

Hahaha. I still to this day remember how they tasted (and smelled to high heaven).
rybnik   
24 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

ha ha ha :) attach a picture :) please

It was very funny! Too bad I don't have a pic. He was a sight: gangly, big nose and smile protruding from underneath his proletariat beret. The only thing missing was a Gauloises smoldering in between his teeth. He was so proud of himself :)
rybnik   
24 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

that show the double culture shock: one arising from the difference of country/society, the other from the difference of political and economic system. Yet I admire the path chosen by Lance: once he had decided to study a subject in a foreign country

You're correct in your analysis. I too admire Lance. Iagree that it took a lot of courage.
rybnik   
24 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

The first six months for most of us were the hardest. It didn't matter, that you came from a Polish background, where you were familiar with some of the customs and some of the language. Irrelevant was the fact that you could say a prayer or two in Polish or that you broke opłatek once a year. You were out of your element boy! And you knew it. You were an alien in an alien land.

To cope with the stress most of us turned to vodka, żytnia, when you could get it. Others turned to women. Lance, on the other hand, immersed himself completely in the language and culture. To his credit he warned us not to get mad at him because he was going to shun English for the duration. By the end of the first month, Lance only spoke in Polish. "Hey Lance, How ya doin'?" "Dobrze i Pan" Lance replied. What the ? How dare he! What's he doing?! We all felt he was "betraying us"! Ridiculous right? That's how we felt at first. It was us against them. And damn it, he went over to the other side and we resented him for it. To further rub our noses in it, Lance began wearing a beret!! You know the one: Not the sexy French, Charles Boyer type. Nope. The anemic, robotnik blue was what he wore. And he reveled in it. We really hated him....Needless to say, his Polish by year's-end was pretty good while mine was still lacking to put it nicely.

We had two guys( one from Seattle, who would insist he "jammed with Jimmi Hendrix" in his father's garage and the other from Chicago), who would drink vodka everyday. They would get wasted, get into trouble only to repeat the next day. Suffice it to say, those two didn't last the year.

.......After a few months my homesickness was so bad, that I was convinced that I needed a phone call home to get me right again. Wrong! At that time, if you didn't have your own phone, you needed to go to the Poczta Główna (main post office), show your legitymacja(student ID) and your wisa pobytowa (extended stay visa) and reserve your call. This didn't mean you got to say when you wanted the call. No. They told you when to expect your call. In my case it was in 72 hours at 1 in the morning!

So there I was riding the tram at 12:30 AM on my way to make a phone call. It's just me and a sleeping towarzysz(comrade) riding in one of those really old, rickety, all-wooden-on-the-inside, trams. There was no one inside or out. It was surreal. When I arrived at the post office it was empty. My rotten Polish, after several attempts, got the message through to the old tea-drinking woman behind the slatted window. I had someone write down on a piece of paper what I was to say: "Prosze panią, mam rozmowę z USA umówioną na godzinnę 1-szą". Barely taking her eyes off her glass of tea she told me to sit and wait. 1 o'clock. Nothing. 1:15. Nothing. 1:30 "Telephone to the United States cabinet 3" loudly, barely intelligible, blared over a single speaker. Luckily I understood "USA" and "3". Otherwise who knows how long I would've been sitting there! I ran to the designated booth, picked up the receiver and said "hello? On the other end through lots of static was a voice that I recognized as my mother's. Thank God she's alive and well! " "How are you Mom. How's Dad, How, this, how's that....?"We spoke for what seemed like a few seconds ( later Mom tells me it was 15 minutes) and then, nothing but white noise. Our conversation had been abrubtly and summarily disconnected. It sucked. I felt sick. The whole thing SUCKED! I hated Poland.
rybnik   
19 Aug 2011
History / An American studying medicine in the PRL 1978-1985: my story [142]

Thank you Marynka! At the time I really didn't see it. I was very lonely and her attention seduced me. I was in a trance. That is until the wedding. The charm was broken........You know, some guys like woman like that. I know one case myself here in NJ. I'm sure your friend is happy.

Lance
Out of all the characters I met that first year in Poland Lance was the most intriguing. Why the son of a well-off, Jewish, Southern Californian lawyer wanted to come to communist Poland to study Medicine was a big mystery. Lance, by all accounts, all his own, had no connection whatsoever to Poland. What is remarkable is that this nebbish-of-a man, Lance, decided to forgo Mexico and Grenada as the go-to destinations for medical degrees, and come to Poland, not knowing the language or culture to pursue his dream.

Lance, in all fairness, gave us all a heads-up at the airport, that he was going to "immerse" himself in Polish once he landed in Warsaw. We all thought he was full of it, laughed and thought to ourselves "we'll see".

True to his word, Lance stopped speaking English upon our arrival in Okęcim and never spoke it again in public!

We all thought he was weird, an attention seeker(however, most of us recognized the wisdom in his action but were too cowardly to acknowledge it).

Soon after our arrival in Kraków Lance began hanging with Poles and speaking Polish exclusively. If you said "Hi lance" in English, you would get "cześć" in response. It didn't matter the time of day or what you said Lance was not speaking English...We resented him for that.

He was also guilty of not shying away from the full expression of his feelings whenever possible. Lance, in other words, called a spade a spade. We all thought he had big balls or was simply very naive.

Lance continued his "Polish immersion" much to the consternation of his fellow Americans. By years-end Lance's Polish was good enough to get into UJ Medical School - an amazing accomplishment!

Lance's idealism got him finally into a trouble he couldn't talk his way out of. During the student Solidarity movement
Lance joined the local UJ chapter, demonstrated and was summarily deported. He finished his medical studies in France!
rybnik   
19 Aug 2011
Life / Have many Poles had enough of one another? [198]

Asians don't show emotions

Not all Asians eg Filipinos show plenty of emotion................After reading all the posts on this thread I began thinking of how the Poles behaved vis' a vis each other and me during my time back in the PRL-days. The people, who worked in the states stores were simply "absent" or apathetic at best. They were rarely rude. The folks selling stuff in the open-air markets, on the othe hand, were usually livelier; more animated. I was very impressed by their dignity and civility toward each other during the harder martial law, nothing-in-the-store period.
rybnik   
17 Aug 2011
Life / Have many Poles had enough of one another? [198]

It really breaks my heart when people of this age still have to worry about work. They should be worrying what to do with their grandchildren.

Wow! Things are really that great in the Great White North?:) I'm turning 55 soon and I expect to work another 20 years.
rybnik   
17 Aug 2011
USA, Canada / Going back to the Old Country of Poland after more than 25 years! (from USA) [249]

took 30 min today from biskupin btw, 50zl, around noon :)

OK
what do you mean 50zl?

I won't have time to go to the Baltic this go around. So, can I get an decent amber jewelry in Wrocław or do I need th sclep to Kraków?

I guess I'll be driving to Kraków

16 days and counting! I'm getting nervous.

5 days and I haven't packed yet nor do I have a hotel.
rybnik   
15 Aug 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish Family stabbed to death in St Helier. [40]

asia does not suffer from any racial problems as they dont allow outsiders

They most certainly do allow outsiders and of course they have their racial problems.