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1jola   
13 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Read it and all the comments.

You just had to upset me in the evening, didn't you. Kaminski an ultranationalist? What a joke.
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
Food / Polish Bread: Boulka (Bułka) [8]

Bułka is just a word for bread rolls and light bread. For example Bułka Paryska is the French Baguette.

Is this similar?

wielkiezarcie.com/recipe25870.html

Click on the photo
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I would settle for basic awareness of the crime that communism was. Schools do not do a good job of that.
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
Love / Find a Polish girl using Internet [67]

Girls love cheating to me but when they meet me I don't know why they don't want to introduce me to their mom. I'm really nice and I work out
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. My point is - how many people have even heard of Kolyma. We know of Auschwitz, but Kolyma? Jews make sure everyone in the world knows of the Holocaust, and people should. I don't agree with the uncomparable, without presendent view of the uniqueness of the Holocaust, but if I were Jewish, I might. I would certainly have a lot of support from fellow Jews. I once read something from a Polish prisoner of Kolyma that stuck in my head and here it is:

At the time I did not know about Auschwitz and the smoke above Birkenau, but if I had known and somebody asked me I would have answered without hesitation - Kolyma. In exchange of view we would have asked one another:

What could be worse than death in crowded gas chambers and the dehumanizing disposal of bodies in fiery crematorium?

What could be worse than prolonged suffering from cold, hunger and disease before the body gives in to the white icy crematorium?

gulag.hu/white_auschwitz.htm

It's not the point that Jews play up their suffering, but that we fail to do the same.
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Rest of the dumb, goy sh!ts who were murdered in waaaay greater number than the Jews - feck it, collateral damage.
Right?

The thing is that no one prevents us from doing what Jews do - meaning to push our causes. They do and we don't. It is similar to American blacks complaining that Korean immigrants own all the stores in black neighborhoods. I say to them: open your own.
1jola   
13 Jan 2010
Food / Burgers, why not in Poland? [54]

Its just my preference I suppose.

...but you do realize that there are different strokes for different folks, but it would be a bit of a joke to say Na Zdrowie to someone sitting down to a McDo burger.
1jola   
12 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Jonni,
I have tried to tell the mods to discourage thread tittles like this one. They are too tolerant. On one hand, we can talk about what we want, then on the other, the site looks foolish.

The mods should be aware of flaming thread tittles.
1jola   
12 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

And that's why Jews jump whenever we're told that not only Jews were killed.

Oh. please, Yehudi, in Poland we know very well that Jews were murdered en masse. Anyone can verify that by talking to the old folks. Poles were killed also. I'm not sure what the contention would be. But yes, Jewish Poles were targeted for extermination after 1942 where Poles were not.

BTW, I'm going to Luxor this year, and I will not be taking in the mud I was hoping for. Perhaps next year in Jerusalem! Would you meet me and my wife?
1jola   
12 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

It seems that you guys tried to quote the famous Armenian Quote. It has been called the Armenian quote but it should be called the Polish quote. It is contested because the Turks and the Armenians disagree:

Hitler speaking:

Our strength is our quickness and our brutality. Genghis Khan had millions of women and children hunted down and killed, deliberately and with a gay heart. History sees in him only the great founder of States. What the weak Western European civilization alleges about me, does not matter. [...]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_quote
1jola   
12 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

BB, I saw you were reading about Manstein. You might be interested in this film:

quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=36876

or a few other ones here:

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=146758&start=0
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Shall we start discussing how the lack of any Jewish SS unit shows something or other?

No, because a some point we would be faced with the image of Himmler standing in front of the best of Jewish men saying: "You are part of the elite unit tasked to destroy Jewish bolshevism," and my imagination is not that vivid.
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

The same with the so called forcefully conscripted Kashubes....many of them were eligible for the Volksliste I and II. Conscription was as forcefully for them as for all other Germans...

That is my point. That is why I say Harry is selective in his use Poles. He cherry picks.

So the 89,300 Harry quoted were not volunteers and I rest my case well argued by you. :)
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Please remember that to Himmler Gorale were Germanic, not Polish.

Boys, I know that and we all know that, but he also considered Silesians, Kashubians, Pomerenians as Germanic. So, if we go by this criteria, than the "volunteers" in Werhmaht were not Poles either.
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

The fact that they were Polish citizens means that they could not be conscripted into the German army.

There were four categories of Volksliste. Just a quick read through what it meant should make the 89,300 number of "volunteers" who deserted the German forces and joined the forces under the British command question their voluntarism.

, the Nazis encouraged the Polish offspring of Germans, or Poles who had family connections with Germans, to join the Volksdeutsche, often applying pressure to compel registration.

Applying pressure German style of that period, mind you.

Those members of the population rated in the highest category were tapped for citizenship and concomitant compulsory military service in the German Armed Forces.[3] At first, only Category I were considered for membership in the SS.[4]

German blood was regarded as so valuable that any "German" person would necessarily be of value to other country; therefore, all Germans not supporting the Reich were a danger to it.[4] Persons who had been assigned to one of these categories but who denied their ties to Germany were dealt with very harshly, and ordered to concentration camps.

Persons of categories III and IV were sent to Germany as labourers and subject to conscription into the Wehrmacht.

You can read more about your "volunteers" here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksliste

Because a) they never tried to form a Polish SS unit

You are not reading my posts or you are not familiar with Himmler's attempt to form the Waffen SS unit of Górale which failed miserably. The unit they tried to form was Goralischer Waffen SS Legion.

There was never a plan to build one in the first place!

We went through this yesterday. Gorale are Polish. In 1942 an attempt was made by Himmler to form Goralischer Waffen SS Legion. It failed.
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
Language / iec conjugation [47]

Not that there is no explanation, but your question is a little bit like why are there irregular verbs in English. Why don't we say "I readed a good article the other day, but I don't know were I puted it."

Sorry, I'm no help at all. :)
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

The number 89,300 is given by Dr Mark Ostrowski in this book. That author says here that his source for the figures about the number of Polish troops is British War Office and he then goes on to say that as the British War Office had to pay for the troops, they'd be the people who know the numbers.

Ostrowski gives this number of 89,300 Poles who deserted the German forces and were then fighting under the British Command. OK, you interpret that as volunteers for the German forces based on what? They deserted because they didn't like the uniforms or they weren't volunteers in the first place? I gave you links where you can get a better picture of the process of conscription into the German forces. If your Polish is not adequate to read it, have a Pole read it and give you the gist.

I'll ask again: what was your point?

My point is that you are selective who is a Polak depending on the situation. You don't argue in good faith. I'm not the only one who says that here. Germans had no problem in forming Waffen SS units of division strenght in most of Europe. In Poland, no, why not?
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I've heard they have an extra room about the brutal conscriptions of Bavarians already...;)

LOL

Actually, all Polish volunteers wore special armbands. You can see them at the link. Scroll down where you see the Polish flag. It is missidentified as Waffen SD (LOL) There were 89,300 made and were popular in the Warsaw Uprising.

ww2army.com/german/uniform1.php

I'm still disappointed that all you want to trade me for the set of three of Hitler's toothpicks is the piece of toast with Goebbels' teeth marks. I'm holding out for a better offer.
1jola   
11 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I can easily make the case based on facts that Polish Jews collaborated with the Nazis more than ethnic Poles (percentage wise in relation to the respective populations). No need to be shocked. Will my argument be in good faith? No. That's why I don't make such arguments. This is what Harry does sometimes. I don't know why, but he does.

He's been in Poland for many years and makes his home here, but is not interested in understanding this country's history. On the subject at hand, I suggest he reads a little about the subject to realize that you can't just throw out a number and consider that a reliable argument. Here are articles based on archives and written by historians. He will have to stuggle through the Polish text, but it is not possible to discuss Polish history without referring to texts written by Polish historians after 1989.

This website discusses the subject in detail:

wehrmacht-polacy.pl/index.html

This is a good article by historian Jaroslaw Gdanski on the subject:

ioh.pl/pelne.php?Art=1052
1jola   
10 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

What always amazed me is Nietzsche's fondness for Poles and Hitler's fondness for Nietzsche but not for Poles. Nietzsche claimed to descend in part from Polish nobility.

"Germany is a great nation," Nietzsche would say, "only because its people have so much Polish blood in their veins I am proud of my Polish descent. ...

The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche By H. L. Mencken

You can consider that to be your favorite quote from now on. :)
1jola   
10 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Right, see my edit above. He sent expeditions to Tibet to look for Aryans, measured skulls and so forth, but I'm sure you know all about that.
1jola   
10 Jan 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

You're right. Hitler viewed Górale as not Polish but Germanic. He was very wrong as they very patriotic and had fought very hard like most Poles.

Himmler thought Aryans descended from Atlantis. :)