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Paulina   
3 Nov 2010
History / Maus by Vladek Spiegelman - animals to represent Poles? [68]

Nice attempt to put words into my mouth.

I don't do such things, you're far better at demagogy and twisting things to your liking.
I am honestly curious what you meant.

Such a pity that my full quote shows how pathetic an effort it is.

And how the second part of your sentence changes the meaning of the first part? Can you explain?

Can you really not do any better?!

No, I can't compete with you, sorry :)

You do it, Harry, many times... actually as an objective observer I must admit that you are a king of manipulation.

Indeed.
Paulina   
3 Nov 2010
History / Maus by Vladek Spiegelman - animals to represent Poles? [68]

a) That isn't a law.
b) It says nothing about executing entire families.

But entire families were executed for hiding Jews. That's a fact. Apparently this is how the Nazis interpreted this law about helping Jews. Such was the "law" in the Nazi occupied Poland. Mass executions without a trial, pacification operations - burning down entire villages and killing their inhabitants for helping the Polish resistance troops, killing entire families for helping Jews.

So what do you say to that?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_operations_in_German-occupied_Poland

Not that any of this matters

Really? All those people who died with their families for helping Jews don't matter? Interesting...
Paulina   
3 Nov 2010
History / Maus by Vladek Spiegelman - animals to represent Poles? [68]

I've never heard of any such law before.

Are you serious???

treblinka.bho.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=71

"Pomoc Żydom, nie ograniczała się tylko do żywności, ubrań, lekarstw ale też do ukrywania w miejscach bezpiecznych. To właśnie ten rodzaj pomocy, był obarczony olbrzymim ryzykiem. W przypadku ukrywania Żydów każdej osobie oraz jego rodzinie groziła kara śmierci. Nie było mowy o jakimkolwiek sądzie, znalezienie ukrywanych Żydów oznaczało egzekucję całej rodziny. Jedna z takich historii wydarzyła się we wsi Dąbrowa."
Paulina   
2 Nov 2010
Love / Such a Very Sad Loss.. fighting the battle with a Polish lady to see my daugher. [56]

I only focus on negatives, because we as emotional human beings focus on what pains us, and it was relevant to the thread.

I think you just like to whine :)

I didn't say it IS a Polish 'thing',

You were implying it in a very obvious manner, sorry.

infact I've been 'hypothesising' that these occurances were indeed just coincidences... ;)

Now you're just lying.

stop bsing people...

I'm not bsing, it's just the way I see it...

that's not friendship anymore...

Then what? He knows way too much about me to call it just "znajomość"... And we didn't stop talking...
We still care about each other in a way. Not in the way we used to, as a couple, of course, but still... :)
Paulina   
2 Nov 2010
Love / Such a Very Sad Loss.. fighting the battle with a Polish lady to see my daugher. [56]

since I got in fine with previous women.

They must be brave women :) I would go crazy if someone locked me up with you in one room ;)

and as we see there are a few people with similar horror stories to me here!!

Yes, exactly - a few people :) Some men apparently come here to whine about their failed relationships and always blame the women. Most of the users here are foreign men so they will, of course, join in the whining lol

lol, and yes I'm willing to meet more and more. and also to confirm it wasn't me, one of my currenct best friends is a POLISH WOMAN. yes.

Give her some time... lol

So, there we go :) :)

Then it's a shame that you focus so much on the bad stuff and rant about those two girls on and on and on (the past) but fail to mention the "new one" (the present).

you should note, that both of the Polish women that stopped talking to me, while I was talking with them, they told me that they like to stop talking to ex boyfriends and friends at some point.

LOL
I would say, even judging by what foreign people wrote on this forum, that people in general often don't talk to their ex-boyfriends, ex-girlfriends and ex-friends as there is usually a reason that they're "ex".

The friend even bragging and laughing that she always ignored the man first..

And what, you think it's "a Polish thing"? LOL
Have you seen a film "Closer"?: imdb.com/title/tt0376541/
Paulina   
2 Nov 2010
Love / Such a Very Sad Loss.. fighting the battle with a Polish lady to see my daugher. [56]

Edelweiss, that’s a sad story :( You have my sympathy and I hope you’ll feel better as time passes.

I have Tried to talk to her in how I feel I have got Nowhere due to her supposed Lack of English.

Um… That’s weird… Sorry, but how did you communicate while your relationship lasted? Did you talk at all? o_O

Thats all you need to write really....we can guess all the other stuff....

They are not all like this of course....i believe in Poland there are currently six women still available without these kind of problems... but four are gay...

..lol, they probably don't like beans either. Polish babes are nutters in general - No matter where they reside.

woah polish women are nuts

LOL
You know what, guys, my guess is that the likes of you probably attract the type of women who’d go for you only because you’re foreigners.

ah another Polish girl acting like shiit, and stopped talking.. remember man, it's just a COINCIDENCE :) :),

No, Barr, I think in your case it wasn't "a coincidence", it was just… you… lol

but you're not the only one to experience odd and not so fair behaviour from them. Two Polish girls I knew, in a row, one a girlfriend, the other a friend, both for about 8 months, both stopped talking, unable to talk to solve anything.

Yes, you’ve written about those two (my God!) girls many, many times on this forum already… How about meeting some MORE Polish girls? I mean, more than… two? I think that would broaden your horizons lol

On the other hand… You’d probably talk to these girls again and again about those previous two Polish girls and so after some time those new ones would run from you screaming ;D

So maybe spare them this suffering xD
Paulina   
30 Oct 2010
News / POLISH ART is not well represented in the West (especially in the US). Why? [25]

One question: why is Polish art not very well represented in the West?

You mean now or in the past?

I think usually rich countries become centres of art. Artists need money too, somebody have to pay them for their pictures - those people or institutions were called patrons, I think. Take Italian painters for example. Their patrons were not only rich noble families but also powerful Vatican (big money, big scale, big prestige, big fame). Michelangelo made the statue of David for the consuls of the Guild of Wool in Florence. He was commissioned to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling by the Pope Julius II. This famous Pietà was commissioned for the French cardinal Jean de Billheres:

The same is with Leonardo da Vinci, Caravaggio and many others.
Artists are drawn to places where other artists already are, where art is developing and money are paid.

Pablo Picasso was Spanish, not French. He came to Paris and he became famous. Marc Chagall (Мойша Захарович Шагалов) was a Belarusian Jew born in Russia (now Belarus). He got a scholarship and thanks to this could come to Paris. Vincent van Gogh came to France from Netherlands.

El Greco was Greek not Spanish. First he came to Italy, than to Spain and he stayed in Spain where he painted for the Catholic Church which was trying to regain its position in Spain.

I would say that, more or less (at least judging by the most famous names and "schools" of art and my limited knowledge):

The Renaissance was owned by Italy, The Netherlands.
Baroque - Italy, Spain, France a bit too.
Romanticism - Germany
Classicism - France
Art Nouveau - France, Austria, Spain
and generally first half of 20th century - France, Spain in a lesser degree (?)
part of the first half and other half of 20th century - America (Andy Warhol, Jackson Pollock)

As for the UK - I remember Thomas Gainsborough and I know about the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood but I doubt a 5 year old outside the UK could point one of their paintings out ;)

Is it a form of discrimination? I think it might be.

I don't think so... I guess the West is focused on itself to some degree. But Polish artists weren't kicked out of the galleries or museums as far as I know ;)

There are paintings of Olga Boznańska (who moved from Poland to Austria and then to Paris, I think) in Musée d'Orsay:

Some of her paintings:

krakow.gazeta.pl/krakow/5,35815,2278681.html
klp.pl/admin-malarstwo/images/grafiki/5945.jpg
klp.pl/admin-malarstwo/images/grafiki/5967.jpg

They're rather sad.

A Russian lady that has been to Paris lately and visited this museum wrote me that she remembered a very sad sculpture by an artist with a Polish name.

It's called "La nostalgie du pauvre":

It was made by Bolesław Biegas:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boles%C5%82aw_Biegas
I've been to Musée d'Orsay years ago so I can't say right now if there are more Polish artists there.
Paulina   
27 Oct 2010
UK, Ireland / British men don't really like women [137]

Funny thread, thanks for the laugh!

No problem. I'd say it's not only funny but also educational :)
Paulina   
25 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Ah, BB is all right, you'll see.

You Poles should thank Bismarck and Prussia on your knees....

No, nott, I see he isn't all right. Actually he's one of my biggest internet disappointments :/

Another good suggestion, thanks for your continued input Paulina.

You're welcome :)

Unfortunatley, I've looked for this before.

Oh... Bummer :/

The only Zeromski in translation that I can find is The Faithful River, which would be good (will get round to reading it),

Ah, yes, I also thought about this one but didn't remember the title :)

but not as useful as The Spring to Come. Back to learning Polish I suppose...

There's a book about the times of World War II in Warsaw - "Początek" by Andrzej Szczypiorski. It was translated into German (the title in German "Die schöne Frau Seidenman" - "The beautiful Mrs Seidenman") so maybe there's a chance to find in English. And I'm sure "The Tin Drum" by Günter Grass was translated into English.

I've remembered at last what's the title of the book I read at school (about growing up in partitioned Poland). It is set in my city - Kielce, where the author of the novel was attending school. In Polish the book is called "Syzyfowe prace" ("Labors of Sisyphus"): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syzyfowe_prace But the author is, again, Stefan Żeromski, so no English edition I guess :/

Also Gustaw Herling-Grudziński was born in Kielce: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustaw_Herling-Grudzi%C5%84ski

He wrote "Inny świat" ("A World Apart"): /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_World_Apart_%28book%29
I think it's worth reading.

A World Apart: Imprisonment in a Soviet Labor Camp During World War II, Penguin Books, reprint edition, 1996, pp. 284, ISBN 0140251847.

There is also a series of short stories written by Tadeusz Borowski about his experiences as prisoner at Auschwitz. They are... worth reading... One of the things that stayed in my mind for a long time (and still it is there).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Borowski

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Way_for_the_Gas,_Ladies_and_Gentlemen

You can read it in English here (I don't know if all stories are included)
Paulina   
8 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Cinnabar, I have another book for you, but I don't know if you'll be able to find it in English:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spring_to_Come

It is set in the years 1914 - 1924.

A film based on this novel:
filmweb.pl/film/Przedwio%C5%9Bnie-2001-1450

imdb.com/title/tt0272263

Poles just love to bathe in victimhood....nothing much changed actually...

Listen, BB, Poland was invaded and oppressed for the most of the last three centuries. If the ancestors of today's Germans, Russians, Austrians hadn't done what they had done there wouldn't be any victimhood to bathe in. So maybe, just for a change, direct your grievances towards them?

If Germany is invaded and oppressed for MOST of the time of another three centuries, then we will talk about victimhood, OK?
Sheesh...
Paulina   
7 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

I don't know. From what I see you have taken my description of the Polish Girlfriend at the face value and that was not my intention. Some people got my sarcastic post, some did not.

I got the sarcasm part... But your intention I did not get - that's true...

yes, I understand, but what I don't understand is why you are getting offended by my description of a stereotype, if you know it is a stereotype.

As I wrote I didn't like the first comment because it looked like a generalisation about all Polish girlfriends.
Besides, you can find such girls in every country so I'm not sure what's so "Polish" about this.

true, but what I saw last night happens to fit the stereotype - how would you explain that?

That girls like that exist? :) I am fully aware of this and I don't deny this - I've seen such girls, but, at the same time, I know they are a minority :)

and the most obvious.

Why "the most obvious"?

I am a Polish citizen and I have no problem with writing and reporting what I see. It is part of my reality as well. However, I am not defensive as you are.

Well, you're not Polish either. Maybe you would also object if someone wrote a generalising comment about Ukrainian women?

There is nothing wrong with blachara in my opinion.

Well, judging by your comment, I would say you dislike them... ;)

I did not generalize about you, since I don't know you, so there is no need to take it personally, or is there?

As I wrote... before... :) I saw your comment as a generalisation about... Polish girls... in general :) And I am a Polish girl after all :P

there is no need to be defensive either.

I'm not defensive - I don't claim such girls don't exist.
OK, let's end it this way - I have an impression that you think most Polish girls are like that. Do you?

I have nothing more to add on that subject Paulina, so stop harping.

You can always ignore me :)
Paulina   
7 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

how you read what I write is up to you

Well, I think how you write what you write may have something to do with it, don't you think? ;)

to you, if you are tired of what people write about Polish women on this forum, stop reading it

I just wanted to explain why I reacted to what you wrote the way I reacted...

and if you are offended by what I have written, then there might be some truth to what I observed last night.

Strange logic... I was offended by a generalisation (and it was written like this - like a generalisation) and that's why I reacted (as I usually do here). If you're curious - no, I'm nothing like the type of girlfriend you've described :)

I have written about the stereotypes of a Polish girlfriend and reading what I write with a grain of salt is the way to go.

Well, writing about stereotypes and about what you see is a bit different, I think...

Sue me.

I've restricted myself to making a comment :)

You even posted a video from that commercial, which is based on that stereotype.

Yes, it's a stereotype of so called "blachara" :) And it's just one of types of Polish girlfriends/girls. And rather ridiculed :)

If you not HER, there is nothing you need to worry about.

When I write comments on this forum I write them not becuase I'm like the women described, but because I'm Polish.
I've been a girlfriend to a man, so I felt like you're generalising also about me, as you entitled your comment "Polish girlfriend".

That's all.

No need to be hostile :)
Paulina   
7 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

Hey, I just described what I saw last night - all of my descriptions are what I see.

I got that part...

I did not say that all Polish girlfriends are like that,

"Polish girlfriend has to..."

You didn't write "this girl I saw/met yesterday" or "there's a type of girlfriends in Poland"...

I'm just saying...

I did not say that all Polish girlfriends are like that, yet there is ALWAYS some truth to stereotype.

What stereotype? Of a Polish girlfriend? lol

You need to read my "blog" with a grain of salt, or I will conclude that you have no sense of humour.

Sorry, aphrodisiac, but I've been reading this forum for a while, and it just looked like another generalising, spiteful comment which author takes very seriously and believes that "every Polish girl is like that". I didn't realise I should read your "blog" with a grain of salt. Maybe you should warn people about that beforehand ;) Because I'm kind of tired of those eternal "Polish woman/girl/slut/girlfriend/wife" bashing topics and it's possible I've lost my sense of humour in this regard...

When you are out tomorrow, see for yourself.

Tomorrow? I've lived in Poland all my life... :)
Paulina   
7 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

that is a brilliant commercial lol

Yeah, it's funny :)

the woman is overdone but that was the idea

Yes, it's meant to be a satire :)

I disagree with you on the part I my description of a Polish girlfriend was not objective. I saw it with my own eyes last night.

Well, it does look to me like a generalisation with this "Polish Girlfriend" title... It sounds as if all Polish girlfriends were like that according to you, which is simply not true.
Paulina   
5 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Oh... Hmm... Then I guess a lot of reading awaits you ;)

Be interested to know. I'd like to do the subject justice.

Well... I don't think it will be insulting if your aim isn't to insult... But I think a difficult task is ahead of you if you want to portray life at those times in a realistic way and give it some depth. I think besides reading historical books and memoirs on the subject you could read some of the Polish novels to get a feel of those times. I've mentioned "Ziemia obiecana" already:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promised_Land_%28novel%29
And a film:
imdb.com/title/tt0072446
I remember that when I was at school I read a novel about how life for school children looked like during the partitions, but I don't remember the title right now.

There's also "Nad Niemnem" by Eliza Orzeszkowa (boring as hell, but it could be useful for you).
Also this book could be useful, I guess:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doll_%28novel%29

When I think of other books I'll let you know.
But I'm afraid without the knowledge of Polish you will have to rely on probably very scarce sources in English. I doubt that, for example, any memoirs would be published in English, but who knows...

My queries are not restricted to the Prussian Partition, they go all over the place!

Then if you want to get to know points of view of all the sides you would have to probably learn at least three languages: Polish, German and Russian ;)

Anyway, the idea itself is interesting but if you're thinking about it seriously then the workload will be huge, so good luck :)

Oh, and there's another Polish literature classic "Noce i dnie" ("Nights and Days") by Maria Dąbrowska, I think it can be very useful to you. It's a family saga about two generations of Polish noble family. There was an Oscar nominated film:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nights_and_Days
and TV series on Polish TV.
The main music theme is quite well known in Poland:

You can watch the film on Youtube (it's in 13 parts, I think), but without English subtitles, unfortunately:
...

Btw, the film "The Promised Land" by Andrzej Wajda was also Oscar nominated so I guess it's worth watching.

The novel will follow one Polish family all the way from the eighteenth century up to the 1950s (and potentially beyond, though I think not).

So there's going to be also the World War II period and some of the communist times... oh my...
;)
Paulina   
5 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Ah, BB is all right, you'll see.

Oh, I don't know, nott. I've seen it before with Russians, I've discussed with some who were so nice, funny, fluffy and all, and so nice to me, but after a while I got to know their views and it gave me shivers.

Before 1989 the presence of some Poles was not fully acknowledged either. Nor the absence of quite a lot of them.

Indeed.
Paulina   
5 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

A polish nationalist activist member of the german parliament instead of in a gulag!

Prussian opression my arse!!!

Still, he was dismissed from the last class (klasa maturalna) at school for negative comments about Bismarck and in 1902 he was in jail for the articles he wrote: "To Germans" and "To my brothers, Upper Silesians" :)
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Well...I was only saying that instead of treating Poles and the partition like a colonial subject to exploit and opress Berlin pumped much money, energy and material into it.

It wasn't a land far far away with "brown people" running around. So Germans tried to change those lands into Germany and Poles into Germans.

It needed WWI and the Treaty of Versailles, nothing else.

Geez, no matter what it needed, Poland had and has a right to exist, don't you think?
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Well...for it's time it was very pretty! :)

Not for Poles at that time.

This led to international condemnation e.g. an international meeting of socialists held in Brussels in 1902 called the Germanisation of Poles in Prussia "barbarous".

Nothing worse than the Poles did.

That's no excuse.

It still is only about language. You can still speak polish at home, write polish books and read them etc.

But you have to know Polish language to do this! And you have to have a reason to learn it. If you're surrounded everywhere by German, after a while Polish becomes a foreign language. Add to this learning German history from German point of view, etc. and Poles are brainwashed into Germans.

Besides, why would Poles be satisfied with speaking Polish language only at home if they had their own country before and back then they could educate their children in their own language?

Not really, in many countries there are more then one official language.

Well, it's more than one, it's nothing that exotic, really.

Propaganda makes sure of it.

In your case also, judging by your attitude :S

But why can't you accept the proof I brought? Even your Norman Davies paints a quite fair image of Prussian Poland.
How fits growing polish wealth and influence in your image of an opressive Prussia?

It fits, I was taught how each partition looked like at school - what was the level of development, how it changed, which one was richer and better off, what was the legislation, etc., etc., etc. I'm not denying that Prussian partition was more developed than the rest. We are taught this at school! After all Germans thought of those lands as their own at that time, so why wouldn't they develop them?

Pierogis.

Not enough :)

Can't be made undone anymore...

And it probably would be the same with Poland - it couldn't be undone if Poland would remain a part of Germany, Russia, Austria for longer.

Are you that naive? If your country disappears from the map

Silesia was never a seperate state, although it had an autonomy more than once in history. The same thing is happening to them as to Karels in Russia or Finland... unfortunately... most of them just blend into Poles...

Silesians have their language, books for teaching Silesian, their radio, I think (?), so maybe there's some hope they won't disappear entirely...
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Oh boy....you said yourself that you are a half wit if it comes to history...admitting not reading much even as I point you to literature and other links where you could learn more.

It's not about facts or links, BB. It's about your attitude.

When you don't want your prejudices and half knowledge destroyed please refrain from taking part historical discussions in the first place!

I'm not prejudiced. I don't hate or even dislike Germans or Germany.
I'm starting to dislike you because of your attitude which is very similar to the attitude of Russian nationalists and stalinists.

I'll answer the rest of your post a bit later.
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

Well..I'm abit longer here and that is the recurring myth...of course it is a slogan and everybody digging deeper into the prussian partition learns it for themselves that it wasn't as black and bleak as it is always painted by Poles.

And it's not as pretty as you portray it, BB.

Prussia was on another level as mainly agrarian Poland...It needs industrialization and urbanization for a middle class to develop and to grow, to become wealthy and gain influence...so, it needed prussian influence for that.

Poland could get a chance to develop in whatever direction on it's own if it was independent. And it was our business whether we would have a middle class or not. Independence isn't something that one gives up for a middle class o_O

Prussia had at this time the best education in the whole of Europe...and Poles in Prussia could take part.

So what? LOL
They didn't have any choice.

Well..who is stopping them.

Germanization was stopping them.

Nobody was forced to give up their heritage.

Are you that naive? If your country disappears from the map, you're taught in German at school, you're thaught German history from the German point of view, you have to speak in German to your classmates, pray in German at religion classes, deal in offices in German... In a second or third generation - how much there's left of your "Polishness"?

Still as every country did and still does, there could only be one official language...

Not really, in many countries there are more then one official language.

I think we can agree here but what I so heavily object is this downtalking of Prussia, this myth of a barbaric opressive system which came up always with new ideas to torture poor victimized Poles.

I'm not like that. I'm giving you facts only. And it seems you can't face those facts.
You must understand that Poles won't view Prussia as you do. It was opressive as it was occupying Poland. If Turkey would occupy Germany you would have the same feelings about Turkey. It's natural.

It for sure wasn't perfect and integrating such a hostile minority has it's problems but it was nothing of that kind as Poles like to portray it!

"Wasn't perfect"... "integrating such a hostile minority "... LOL
I think I'm starting to hate you...

Well...that are facts to Paulina...

No, that's a really f*cked up demagogy.

The Versailles Treaty gave Poland it's independence...and it sow Hitler.
Make of this what you want!

I make of it that Germans sowed Hitler. Poland was partitioned for so many years, and it didn't sow Hiler-like monster. Oh no, sweetie, you won't blame Poles for German sins.
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

War and real occupation for more than 50 years! Wow!

Wooow, that's a twisted logic LOL
Well, yes, if Poland wouldn't regain independence, it wouldn't lose it again - it would be simply non-existent all the time. We would all turn into Germans or Russians over the years, and who knows, maybe I would speak German or Russian right now, not Polish, and would glorify the wonderful Prussia or Russia lol That's just swell but I prefer to be Polish, thanks.

Poland is independent now, BB, children are taught in Polish at school, they learn history of their own country, not Prussia, they read their writers and poets in their own language. And I'm very happy about that.
Paulina   
4 Oct 2010
History / Life in Partitioned Poland (Specifically in the Prussian Partition) [118]

It's not me changing facts...it's mainly Poles telling the clear myth of the brutal opressing anti-polish Prussia.

BB, you wrote a slogan, and I'm giving you facts.

Not the fact of the Prussia which brought wealth, political freedoms, a growing middle class, industrial development and higher education to Poles!

And Russia gave canalization to Warsaw! Wow! xD
You think Poland wouldn't have middle class, industrial development, higher education and canalization in Warsaw without partitions? ;D
It would and we would prefer to get all of this while being an independent country with Polish language in our universities, not German or Russian.

Tell that to the millions of Poles who immigrated over the centuries into Prussia/Germany totally voluntarily.
Millions!

Poles immigrate to different richer countries all the time, it doesn't mean all of them want to be German, British or American :) They often cherish their ancestry. And if they move, they usually do it by their own will. Nobody occupies them or forces them to be another nationality.

It wasn't the case with partitions.
And it's still many more millions that remained in Poland and Polish.

Well...Poles had it good in Prussia...

And that's why they like Germans so much, aha...
BB, I really don't believe you don't get it... You would choose to live in a golden cage instead of being free? Some would, but apparently majority preferred freedom.

what did they gain with their independence?

Jesus, BB... Freedom! Their own country! They could teach their children their language, history and be their own masters in their own country.