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Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

So if you are against killing then don't do it but if you want it, do it? Is that what you are saying, Teffle?

Well if by 'killing' you mean abortion and if by abortion you mean with certain restrictions (e.g. number of weeks) then yes.

in your culture.

C'mon - in everyone elses culture.
You need to make comparions with equivalent cultures. Going by your example you could say the same thing about cannibalism or anything else.

Within 500 years human race will be saying that XXI century was medival ;)

Maybe, but we are dealing with now which is the point.

You also impose your values when you despise sharia laws. The point of view depends on point of sitting.

But as I said, big difference - who accepts sharia law as a good idea outside of that culture? See cannibalism.

Comparisons are not futile or irrelevant at all, Teffle. Poland, Spain, Malta (I presume) and Ireland are predominantely Catholic countries. Religion shapes the law there

Indeed and I have a big problem with that too but that's another story.

Right that's definitely all I'm saying on it ; )
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

You are confusing morality with legality, Teffle. It is the morality of the legislators Vs the morality of those that have to live with the issue of abortion. Legality is simply that one group of people took a stand and made it law.

I'm not confusing it. But I take the point, maybe referendum is therefore the only way to go.

Comparisons with sharia law/islamic fundamentalism is pointless and irrelevant - as I would largely denounce the legal and social aspects of this kind of life as utterly unenlightened, viciously paternalistic, simplistically barbaric etc. This has nothing to do with my "western" perspective, they are largely a highly superstitious people with little education and a medieval mindset.

OK I'm done with this abortion thing anyway and I should never have started. I'll have to agree to disagree with Zeti & Seanus.

My position is fairly simple - I am pro-choice but that doesn't mean I embrace abortion as a casual emotion-free procedure or without restrictions. It's a far from ideal solution but a sometimes necessary one and it should be available.

I believe opposition to abortion is simply denying others a choice which is none of their business, and yes, they are imposing their own morals on others. As I've said before if you are against abortion, don't have one.

Pro-choice, both sides have an option on what to do or what not to do.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

Let's assume that I'm a man from a Muslin fundamentalistic country. I was raised in convintion that killing someone (or someone's family memeber if such person is unavilable) in a revange is something ok and a point of honor. Of course if you don't want to, you don't have to kill anybody who has dishonored your family, is that make killing ok?

Of course not - but murder is illegal anyway, everywhere. I really don't get the relevance.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

Sorry but whoopsadaisy abortions (all too frequent) just don't cut the mustard.

I agree also.

Aborting very early on under normal circumstances provides a glimmer of a justification due to the lack of sentience and clear lack of personhood

Justification for abortion generally or only in e.g. the Polish exception cases?

You are denying others that which was given to you.

The argument is getting tricky now. "Others" - as in a person/people?

Potentiality should not come into it as you cannot legislate based on potential. If that were the case the justice system would be crazy. But you yourself said "aborting early on ... justification etc" How come the potential aspect doesn't apply here?

I shouldn't have gotten into this...
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

Teffle, please tell me when you heard of the Abortion Referendum. Have you ever taken part in one?

Yes.

Let me be blunt, Teffle. When aborting, are you killing a person to be,

Potentiality is not an argument if that's what you're saying.

Can I kill somebody or not? (of course not everyone has to kill somebody if they don't want to and thinks its unmoral...)

I don't understand this Zeti.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

who said that every citizens of "modern europe" accept abortion? it can be legal, so what? What's your point?

The point is that it is available to those who want it. Those that object, don't have one.

Ireland (believe it or not) has a high proportion of teetotallers. Alcohol is of course freely avaialbe - despite a reasonable minority not agreeing with the consumption of alcohol on moral grounds. It's legal and there for those that want it though not everyone accepts it.

Have you understood mine?

I think so, yes, but I don't agree with it.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

and in Poland (and some civilized countries either) abortion is illegal

This the exception. Poland, Ireland, Spain & Malta are the only countries in Europe - is everyone else simply wrong?

you (and law) don't give everyone who has different view free will to follow their moral values freely.

You do have free will not to follow a path or decision that you don't believe in - just don't have an abortion.

Surely there are other examples of this - e.g. legally available options that you personally object to? In these cases too, you simply chose not to avail of the product or service.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

If you saw an owner who is beating a dog who (for example) missbehave would you give that owner a free will to punish his dog?

Depends on exactly what you mean by 'beating' but it's a bad example because there are laws to protect against the ill treatment of animals in all civilised countries. It is illegal.

Abortion is not illegal in many countries.

But if I was supporting a pro-choice movement I would support in fact abortion itself

Well, it's a matter of perspective - I wouldn't see it like that.
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

because a women who commit abortion is not only deciding about her own body but also about another organism living inside her. And I just believe that no one have right to decide about someone else life. Just that. I know that for a great part of people a fetus is nothing more than bunch of cells, some not fully shaped creature but not for me.

Fair enough.

I'm not a person who would protest on streets in pro-life parade or something butI will never say that abortion is ok and I will never put my finger to make it legal in Poland.

It's not OK for you - so if you don't agree with abortion, don't have one.
But don't you think it is up to other people to decide whether or not it's OK for them? Why deny anyone the option because of what you personally feel?
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

So I'm far of stoning anybody for abortion but still I think its very wrong,

Blunt question Zeti - why?

(Assuming that we are all in broad agreement that e.g. repeated 'abortion as contraception' is irresponsible and morally questionable)
Teffle   
18 Oct 2010
History / Poland - Scotland, the untold story... [75]

the smug air I have about me comes from the Scottish in me,

One of the strangest inaccurate national stereotypes I've yet heard.
Teffle   
16 Oct 2010
News / 30 to 40 thousand abortions by Polish girls in foreign countries [142]

The figures sound feasible enough I suppose.

I oppose church influenced policy on abortion.

And I'm saying no more on this thread as I can see it will either be closed promptly or go on for 40 pages of repetitive shrill sh1te.
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
News / U.S. role in Poland is shrinking [82]

Just tell me something, when you say "mate", is it the same like when we say "you guys"?

Kind of, but it's probably more like "man" as it can almost be a type of exclamation in its own right, like" Awww mate" for example, if you are impressed by a favour someone has done - or if you've just realised that you've missed your favourite movie.

I mean, does it work for both genders?

Sort of, but it's less common for women.

To be honest, I don't even know why I said it as it's very much a British expression and I'm not British. Must be developing a strange new web persona!

notoriously Lib

Here we go again - what do you mean notoriously? By whose standards apart from the US and e.g. Islamic states?
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
News / U.S. role in Poland is shrinking [82]

Over there even their so-called "conservatives" are pretty Lib by ourstandards

LOL - of course - US standards, how could I forget - the only ones that matter.
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
News / U.S. role in Poland is shrinking [82]

Maybe to Europeans "I suppose" :-)

Ha ha!

Not to me mate - I think he's a total fake who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
News / U.S. role in Poland is shrinking [82]

...and a Radical Leftist.

Obama is hardly a "radical leftist" ?!

Maybe to republicans I suppose.
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

Do they still use matches in Ireland?

Well yeah.

I mean, you generally won't see people lighting their cigs with them and they aren't required for stoves etc but you can certainly buy them kind of everywhere.

I suppose those that don't smoke and who have an open fire would buy them regularly enough. Probably for lighting candles too.

In fact come to think of it, there aren't that many good reasons for buying them but it's not that they are some sort of relic from history either.

I love the way you are scared by the little explosion by the way - LOL!

"What manner of bizarre, dangerous incendiary device is this?"
Teffle   
15 Oct 2010
USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

Polish have obsession with matches, which are still used here. One can buy them anywhere. Sometimes when I use them they produce a little explosion - scary stuff

??

What do you mean "still used" ?

Are matches illegal in Canada or something?!

; )
Teffle   
14 Oct 2010
UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

All my family are evening AND morning showerers...Friends of mine are in the main evening and morning showerers

Fair enough. Pretty certain it's unusual though.

I wouldnt want sex with someone with hygiene habbits like this!

Don't worry - I wasn't asking ; )
Teffle   
13 Oct 2010
UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

... and how crap Britain is...

You think this is that common? I don't really. Sure, it happens, but relative to the Scottish & Welsh slagging their English neighbour for example, I don't think it is particularly prevalent.

Don't you mean England anyway? I've never once heard an Irish person complaing about the Welsh or Scottish.
Teffle   
13 Oct 2010
UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

The more subtle differences

Indeed - back to this guys please!

I hadn't intended for this to be a mini whine-fest. I was hoping for quirky observations really!

I think we have a three way split:

Yep, kind of sums it up.

In fact some Poles are quite surprised to see me criticise Ireland - and what's more, not just joining in, but volunteering fresh examples of sh1teness for them to mull over. I think they think I am being really disloyal or something.
Teffle   
13 Oct 2010
UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

Well, that's one interpretation of dirty sex, it wouldn't be mine but each to their own ;)

Well what I mean is, the evening showerer - at what point do they have a shower if sex is on the agenda?

Before? OK, that then means that they will be 'sex soiled' for all of the next day.

After? Then that means they are doing it with 24 hours of grime on their bodies.

You see? ; )

With the morning showerer they are relatively clean to begin with and in any case, will be completely clean the next morning...