News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


That would be North Korea...or Venezuela...or Cuba. They have all that but nobody fears their taking over the top, nobody sees them as rivals of the West.

To become what you fear China needs the money, the entrepreneurs, the traders, the builders, the inventors. To rise further economically and intellectually they need an educated and increasingly affluent people. They need the money, they bring. No army ruling over illiterate farmers cowed into submission can buy you that!

That's the irony but also the consolation of this...a modern, powerful China equal with the West will be soon also plagued with all our western curses too!

A huge equalizer! :)

PS: I'm not quite sure why you insist on downtalking the West at every turn. I for one are glad to live here, after growing up in China style country, I can compare.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Nah...you are talking about the "plebs"...I'm talking about those with the money...in high positions...

Even a party leader doesn't act in a vacuum, he needs people to fulfill his wishes. And the wealthier Chinese become, the more educated and influential they get, the more dependent the party and it's leaders becomes on their money, on their support. That is already happening. The party needs the rich traders, builders, entrepreneurs...totally contrary to their touted communist ideals. Their whole government has become already a farce, a game most still play along with though.

But there will be a time when the party leader becomes a puppet of chinese money...of chinese people who only talk the party talk but live totally differently than their parents.

And at some point they will even stop to pretend.

It won't be a bloody revolution where the old guard get's shot or jailed...it will be a fluid change of power, taking years. Maybe they will keep their party for romantic reasons, like the monarchy in Britain! :)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


It will collapse at some point anyhow but not because of foreign enemies.

As you said millions of Chinese live better now than 50 years back, forget about the super rich for a moment, they are usually totally party loyalists because the system is so useful if you know how to swim with it.

But these rising living standards especially in and around the new mega cities also changes how these Chinese see the world, a new educated, affluent middle class is building, and as in Europe centuries back they will demand more power and influence than the party will want to give them.

At some point the autoritharian one party rule will no longer be enough. Millions of people will be no longer obedient illiterate farmers! THAT will be the turning point in China, the moment the chinese people grow out of their strict party straight jacket...and that is only a matter of time!

Their economical rise will proof to be a double headed sword...it wont be the smooth way to the top some dream of.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Thats the big thing people keep forgetting, China looks so good (from the outside) because of the deep hole they have to climb out of. If you are on top of the world already like the western countries it's hard to see any rise, that doesn't mean China's system is more successful.


If we keep on fighting each other like Trump wants (MAGA) they for sure will, that's why he is such a catastrophe for the whole West. China is applauding!

But maybe that's the price to pay for being "the West", the joy and the curse to have different opinions and policies, no strong party/leader which forces his will on the people for the price of secret police, censorship, indoctrination and Gulags!

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Might be!

But I for one are glad not to live in the West and not to suffer in China. And most think like me.

That's one hell of an advantage for the survivability of societies!

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


....again, it's our neighbours which are very much interested that we never forget the sins of past generations!

And again, if you want reparations than give us back our territory (Poland) and give us back our money (Greece) first. Both must be worth many billions by now...to deny that as reparations is ridiculous!

And yes, our neighbours keep this neurosis very much alive, because it suits them! ;)


No, it doesn't. And I hope Germany stops doing that too...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Because of the creation of the nation states. When you open up a history book you will see that this concept is not old...it has proven a step up to the way societies had been ruled before. Centuries where borders were unknown, with goods and people already moving at will.

Nation states were also a consequence of a changing age, similiar to what we are living through today. And they proved to be immensely successful.

But now the world changes again, thanks to technology. A nation state only for itself is a phase-out model. The future are federations of former nation states, economical blocs. Countries which can add their resources and capabilities to be stronger or at least as equally strong than the other building power blocs. The future world will be partitioned by these blocs. To make sure Europe get's it's share we NEED the EU. And an even more integrated EU at that.

No nation state can hope to keep it's wealth and living standard alone by itself against such a power bloc. So in these building blocs former borders will become a thing of the past. That is also one development no foot stamping and denial will stop.


These developments will come, they are already on the horizon, if you look closely (just watch China, they are already laying claims)...and they have nothing to do with me being a nice guy or not! :)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

I think it will come to that.

As the Schengen-Zone was thought up and installed nobody thought about these foreign masses proverbially dying to come to Europe. Frontex is a good start but there is still alot to do....

What definitely has to change ist the current fact that the outer borders are mainly seen as a matter only of the border countries like Greece or Italy and inner countries like Germany or Poland just look on, twiddling their thumbs and shrug their shoulders.

That won't work for very much longer...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Neurosis?

This past is something our neighbours like to beat us with...just recently some Poles renewed their claims for german reparations. Whenever Berlin does something which some people don't like they are quick with painting the Merkel as "Nazi" whenever it fits their agenda.

That is no imagined neurosis but very much alive! Kept alive by our dearest neighbours, I might add! :)


When goods and people move even more freely what do you think does that mean for borders?

We see the change today in Europe...borders between the countries in the Schengen zone is nearly non-existent anymore.

A border around the EU countries, guarded together by all members, would also much better take care of unwanted and illegal immigration, then there would be no inner EU-borders needed anymore.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

There is no reason at all...no.

But there are some things Poland won't be able to change, one is the globalization. That means that national borders will lose their importance, the movement of goods and people will only rise in the future.

The other thing is that success makes attractive. And a country which is economically attractive will attract immigration. So, keeping the total homogenity is an illusion.

And it isn't about muslims from far away places but mainly from other Europeans. Mostly they look today to Germany for work and study. There is no reason that an economically successful Poland won't be in the sights of other european people. Today most immigrants in Europe are not Muslims but other Europeans. As a member of the EU that is something Poland can't and shouldn't fight.

What Poland should do better than for example Germany is to be carefull in the selection. Meaning, be more like Canada or Australia, try to get immigrants which will become an asset to Poland.

Germany get's for years not the best of the best but the "rest" nobody else wants, but that is a fault of our non-existent immigration plan and our on the other hand abuse-inviting asylum-laws, all due our Nazi history. Something Poland doesn't has.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


The whole identity movement was started by the leftists. Now the conservatives/rightists are taking it up and will run with it. Oh the irony...


No, that won't happen. The next decades will bring big changes to the world...globalization, digitalization, mass immigration...there is no chance for anything to remain.

(Besides North Korea maybe and even that is a big IF.)

Better to prepare and find new answers....I think identity politics also for the native majority of european countries could be such a possibility. Taking care of your own in the similiar way the muslims, blacks etc. take care of their own.

Wishing back the past on the other hand won't help one bit with the challenges of the future...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Fit's the identity theory!

There won't be another homogenous people made up from many heritages, as the multi-kulti theory believed for so long. Instead the immigrant societies will split up into groups who don't plan to assimilate into a new people but want to kept their own heritage. And fully understandable so I might add.

So the future will be even more of Turkey-loyal Turks and less german-Turks.

Multi-Kulti is dead, Identity movements will shape our future world.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Hmm....interesting thought...

But compare two immigrants...one comes from for example stinking rich Kuwait and the other comes from destroyed, starving Jemen. Both are dark and muslim.

I'm somewhat sure only one of them will be welcomed, whereas the other will rather be kept away....

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

For you for sure...for the general stereotype of the "dumb Polack" not.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

I don't think so....Poland was a most loyal ally during WWII too, and it didn't helped with the dumb, backward stereotype one bit.

I think the positive change has much more to do with the current economical development of Poland. As an emigrant you will also always be seen as a kind of representative of your home country, even as you just have left it behind, if you want to or not.

So a more respected Poland, a rising economical "tiger", a member of the EU, has of course changed how the world sees Poles generally.

That's what most immigrants from "shii" countries face today too...their home countries are dirt poor and war ravaged, so the image of these immigrants is similar bad...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

It isn't the Muslims...or Sinti...it's about Identities.

washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/09/18/identity-politics/?utm_term=.22b0c0e7f15c

Fukuyama is right IMHO. What happens in the US and also in Europe is that the white majority nations discover themselves also as one identity.

Something that was before firmly in leftist hands...you know the fight for the acceptance and the support of the rights of identities of blacks, gays, women, transgender, immigrants etc.

Now that ideal comes back to bite them in the ass, more or less....the rediscovered white identity as a political power alongside the identities of immigrants, muslims etc. will become a most powerful one, and if only by numbers. Don't get me wrong, not INSTEAD but alongside...just another one added, that's the difference to Hitler fans or any ethnical cleansing fantasy of some fascho.

That is a movement which is just about to beginn in earnest (a president Trump not withstanding, I doubt he has any idea about identity politics). Because for a majority in the US and Europe a white identity was never a question to think about, even less so to especially support. There wasn't any need to. The mass immigration of the last years changed that. The awareness of the natives that they might be threatened is growing. The rise of populists politicians and party's everywhere in the West is proof of that.

And yes, that will change our societies. The old party system has no answer to that as the old political class is made up and made for a more or less homogenous people with the same values, a common people, that ends now. There won't be one people to rule over for very much longer but split groups fighting each other for power and influence.

A real new age! But fitting for a globalized world where national borders lose their importance.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

That first link doesn't work for me...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Wiki has a long article about that....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

The article mentions also a study done by Zurich University of Applied Sciences, is it that you refer to?


Interesting stuff....


So, it seems the raping, murdering refugee is really not that common...more often it's the thief.

Law / Bought some pesticide from China to sell it in the UK - Poland's police came - advice? [5]

That's what the EU single market is about. And of course we protect our own market...that's why countries are becoming a member. Otherwise there would be no sense in being a member!

Try to sell some foreign stuff in China, around their import laws, and then you will see a police state!

Genealogy / Slavs are descendants of Sarmatians? [600]

The german wiki points to something else:


de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serben#Etymologie

Translation mine:
The name Serb stems probably from the indo-european root word "srp". This means probably "kin" or "belonging to the same tribe (clan).
Also the polish "Pasierb" (Pasierbica) and the slovenian (Paserbok) for half brother, step son, half sister, step daughter belong there. Also the ukrainian "priserbity".
Related would be also the russian "serbat" for suckling and the latin sorbie for flowing, drinking...

Genealogy / Slavs are descendants of Sarmatians? [600]


Not to forget that only a few years back there was no archeological find like the Sky Disc of Nebra, or the proof of roman settlements in what is now Poland. I'm quite sure the future will hold many more of such new discoveries, because the interest has sparkled and the number of archeologists searching has increased dramatically. It's like a new chapter...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

.....that might be the end of Whitey though...

Genealogy / Slavs are descendants of Sarmatians? [600]


Some are just slow learner...Ptolemy for sure were collecting detailed info...HE MADE A MAP OF IT! The military for sure too...they planned to gulp down these lands too...of course they all would collect as many detailed info as possible!

And as we no know it wasn't only the military but the traders too...all getting their "detailed info" quite naturally through travelling, sight seeing and communicating. And there was alot of trade and hence conctact going on as we slowly learn.

Why you choose to ignore all that is your own mystery only...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


First, I apologize for my links...the one from FT seems unavailable now and the other is in german. So your misconceptions are excused too.

When you look at a map you will see that Brandenburg shares a long border with Poland. A border which has been for years quite easily to overcome for criminals from both sides. So for years german and polish cops and investigators worked together already....that is nothing new here.

The other reason for that that was stated explicitely was the rising numbers of refugees and immigrants since 2015. Even as the overall crime decreased in Brandenburg the people got more nervous and demanded a stronger police presence. But Brandenburg, like many other Länder, hasn't has the people available to increase the numbers of cops at will and so suddenly.

Asking the same structures which whom they have worked closely together for years seems a logical step.

NOTHING but really NOTHING points to a situation where future german cops will control, beat and arrest Poles in Warsaw!!!
It might be much more possible to see future polish cops control, beat and arrest unruly foreigner in Brandenburg...now wouldn't that be cool...

That is Brandenburg:



I found another link in English: polandinenglish.info/39409600/german-police-recruits-from-poland

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Interesting:

Now Poles can serve in the german police. Brandenburg started the search for polish applicants in 2016, now the first ones have started their service...

ft.com/content/9f62345e-43a7-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fd

welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus181814202/Personalmangel-Als-Pole-bei-der-deutschen-Polizei.html

News / Samuel P. Huntington sees future of Poland outside of Slavic world [18]


I hope Prussia will be reborn independent too again...won't that be a blast! :)

News / Samuel P. Huntington sees future of Poland outside of Slavic world [18]

Could very well happen in a not so far future...

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

That may all be, what I don't get is how you think you are in any way qualified to call german cops "scared"?

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


So, they had reason to be scared you say?

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


I have no idea if you can call them "scared".

Not as much as that US cop who kills an unarmed civilian who just called them for help.

Actually I think the cops in the US must be horrible scared or otherwise there is no explanation for these mass shootings of innocent civilians.

That happens very rarely if at all in Germany...