News / Poland Should Beef Up Military [286]


Would it? How is 2010 different from 1939? The first guarantee of safety is the safety we can provide for ourselves by ourselves, papers and declarations dont fight wars, soldiers do.


Whats stopping us from strengthening our economy and our military simoultaneusly?


What would that reason be? To protect several Patriot batteries? Also how would US protect Poland? Its physically unable to send troops and its not going to nuke Russia over Poland either.


When and in what way did US help Poland in any fashion? They gave us two frigates semi-free because they would have to scrap them, they sold us F-16s at top market price, they're completely unwilling to share technologies or trade with us for any but the top prices and they continously pressure us to buy their used junk for the prices of new equipment.

No U.S would never send any military aid to Poland, if anything it'd let Poland fall and send said aid to Germany which in american eyes is a much more important partner, we're (Poland) not a partner, we're an asset.


Both Russia and Georgia were with the difference that Russia had a punch behind the fist.


The fact is your inept goverment can't sort Ukraine out, Poles had high hopes for Ukraine but after the Orange Revolution your country is actually worse off than it was, your economy is shrinking, your govt can't sort its sh*t out, Poland beings to see Ukraine as a failed investment.

Your economy is shrinking annually by 10%-20% for the third year now, your mafia governed oil companies devolved into chaos and your govt alternates between running like a headless chicken and being run by a russian embassy in Kiev, strong Ukraine eh Nathan?

Wonder how long with your country last.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]

Same can be said for Spain, Russia, Italy etc, it still doesnt change the fact that being part of HRE meant zip politically, the point is however that in Dark Ages Czechs were the most advanced culture of HRE, not Germans, not French or Burgundian or Dutch but Czechs.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


Yes, HRE apart from a fancy name was a bunch of tribesmen f*cking goats, so were the Poles while Czechs had these huge cities with cobbled streets, working public hospitals and stuff.

Also HRE was a very loose term, after Charlemaigne it was a loose federation, sometime if someone like Barbarossa came along it started to vaguely resemble a country and then fell apart again and yeah early on it was run by Czechs for a time.


His Czech name was Vaclav, for Germans of the time it would be Wenclaus or Wenceslaus i dont remember atm (latinised version).


Yes but being part of HRE is like being part of EU, it was a very loose confederation, nations had kings and princes and still were parts of HRE, heck they even fought within the confines of the Empire.

After Charlemaigne it was more often then not a fancy name that didnt even represent any sort of a union.


Quite a lot yes, Germans built simplified versions of Roman architecture with centres being prserved Roman forts, Poles built wooden enforced earthworks with only largest cities made of stone and Czechs had already a distinct style (we're talking X cent here) i can dig you some sketches of how stuff looked back then.

To give you an example if Germans wanted to build something serious they had to bring masons from Italy while Czechs had their own and masonry was the measurement of development at the time.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


BB Charles was a Czech from Przemyślidzi dynasty so the university was founded by a Czech ruler in Czech kingdom.


I think you don't :))))

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


Absolutely but invaded does not mean it became a historic german land, you just took over it just like the Poles did.


BB it was founded by the Pope, also Charlie was a Czech, born of Czech nobility, that only reinforces my point that Czechs aka Bohemians were a powerfull regional influence.

Elder house of Luxembourg were all Bohemians, many of them had latinised Czech names.


Czechs were not very populous and the uni would get flooded since it was the first and for a time the only such institution in the region, i'd have to research it but taking a wild guess i imagine the most numerous would be Ruthenians, then Poles and Germans then the rest.


Do you really want me to compare X century prague with contemporary German and Polish cities? What we lived in were f*cking barns by comparison.


Mainly due to emigration, Germany was not the wealthiest of countries, same reason why so many Germans came to Poland.

Germany was a lot poorer and a lot more populous and while Prague was a huge city the university was really too large for Czechs to operate alone.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


Oh please BB i know Germans have an oversized p3nis complex when it comes to "German superiority" that puts Poles to shame but thats ridiculous.

Czech kingdom was an independent powerfull state, even when it fractured it was more powerfull than half the German vassaldoms combined.


Wait so Czechs who had sewered streets a full century before Germans and Poles stopped f*cking cattle and worshipping the sun created a university only because of englightened help from the Germans? BB a newscast for you, Czechs untill XIII were civilisationally higher then any country in Europe including Germany.

Prague had broad sewered streets, schools, public hospitals and a university when Berlin was two barns and a moat, i think you got your priorities as to which nation got to civilisation first a bit mixed up, Czechs beat both our nations there by a long stretch.


For much of the history that is.


No i mean a region where stuff started, if you want an absolute ground zero then thats Greater Poland and the city of Poznań which is where Polans (Polanie in Polish), the guys who united proto-Polish tribes came from.


And thats exactly why pot needs to be banned.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


Aka Czech Kingdom.


No BB, not even close, it was a HRE vassal but then again so was Poland, Bohemians were Czechs and were quite Slavic.


Yes coming under German influence but then again these were still Polish duchies inhabited by Poles and run by Poles, the German influence was extensive but there werent that many Germans then, the first colonisation waves start in mid XIV with king Casimir the Great.

The influence is visible in Coats of Arms etc but these were Polish duchies run by Piast Dynasty.


Yes thats a fact, what you omit is that German population was not significant.

First came the Germans, moved West, then came the Celts, moved West, then came the Czechs and stayed, then came the Poles and took over, then Czechs and Poles started mixing, then Germans came back in number and re-established themselves but even then they were not a majority.

They only became a local majority in some parts of the region between XVIII and XX century but then again the same is for the Poles.


Lesser Poland, Greater Poland, eastern parts of Opolskie (Oppeln) Dolnośląskie (Lower Silesian) and Mazowieckie if we count at minimum option and the entire east-south bit of current Poland as well as current Western Ukraine and smaller parts of Western Belarus without Grodno.

Lower Silesia and Baltic Coast i consider neutral since they changed both hands and alliegiance far too often to account for a historic land of any given country.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


No not mostly German, Śląsk became German in 1741 after the Silesian Wars, Poles were a majority in much of the Silesia untill XV century and parts of Silesia were never German untill the partition.

As for Austria of Hapsburgs it was not German, then it was distinctively Austrian and it fought Germans for the control of Silesia.

Also you ignore the period when Silesia was under Polish Piast dynasty so Germany has no claim whatsoever to Silesia as its heartland region.


The Germans became a majority 2000 years later BB, you make it sound as if they were a majority all the way when in fact they were completely absent from Silesia for about 1200 years after their arrival.


I dont, you had me openly admit that Wrocław for example is a German city through and through but Silesia is unique, if there was an euro-region that was it i just dont agree with portraying it as anyones heartland since its not.


Yes it is but the history of German-Polish relations is locally viewed through WW2 lense.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]


Which land? Poznań? So you're arguing that a city that Poles built and inhabited for something like 1000 years was German because Germans invaded it for 100 years?

Silesia was never a German heartland, it was Polish, Austrian, Czech and German but never an exclusively German heartland, it changed hands far too much far too often for such a claim.

History / Actually, there never was any Polish-German hatred [149]

Actually the rich history ended when Germans invaded Poland stealing its lands, Germans made sure the co-existence would never pick up like it did in 1939.

News / Germany - We won't let Poland drown! [28]

So Crow how will Serbia help its Polish brothers? You could give me money y'know i'm not flooded and i live something like 40 feet above ground but you could still send me all your money :)))))

History / Questions about Polish borders, Galicia and Cossacks. [50]


F*ck yes you're a history major, the Maregea kind of history major who thinks Columbus discovered England:)


Germans are Nazis ( i'm merely trying to truncate 500 years of history into one sentence) you got the point?

Another "history major" redneck, Ukraine was never taken over by Lithuanians, ever.

Lithuanians were present in todays Belarus, Ukraine presented by the Red Ruś was incorporated into Poland in 1340 and never had anything to do with Lithuanians, neither did Ukraine at large, it was since mid XIV century a strictly Polish dominion never having any Lithuanian influence whatsoever.


The peasants considered themselves subjects of any local Duchy or city such as Duchy Halicko-Włodziemierska the word "Ukrainian" in the national context does not appear in any text untill 400 years later.

Also the Cossacks were not peasants and peasantry was rarely their initial recruiting ground, the portion of the Cossack armies composed of peasantry was called "Czerń".

Love / Polish men what is the worst thing a girl can do upon first impression? [360]


If she throws up on my shoes.


C'mon Shelley women have no souls no need to be rude about it and call people ugly names like sexists :(


I still prefer women doing it and not only because i'm a lazy fock.

History / Questions about Polish borders, Galicia and Cossacks. [50]


Dude please stop, lesson in Polish History for you.

Cossacks were not an ethnic term, ever.

Eastern Ukraine, Crimea and adjoining lands that are now Belarussia and Western Russia were a Polish frontier exactly the same as american Wild West.

Cities were few and far between, there were vast forests and steppes, whenever a peasant tried to escape servitude or criminal avoided justice he went there to live "po kozacku" Cossacks were a social class in Poland, mercenary soldiers who normally lived in fortified camps or communes hunted, farmed and fished and in times of war were employed by Poland as light infantry/light cavalry.

As such Cossacks were Ruthenian (no such things as Ukraine or Ukrainian in that period) Polish, Russian, Tartar even.

Polish Cossacks were native Poles who joined the Cossack community and there was a LOT of them (at least as many as Ruthenian Cossacks).


No it was not, please refrain from posting bullsh*t about our history that you obviously dont know.


Thats because of a certain phenomenon that took part in Ukraine, social elites adopted Polish culture (nobles, princes, merchants, soldiers etc) while peasants typically entered the ruthenian culture circle, it is estimated that at least 20% of all Cossacks were native ethnic Poles but after a generation their kids (being Cossack was hereditary after a fashion) lost their Polish roots.

Also there was no difference in the lifestyle of different Cossack ethnicitie, they all joined the Sich fortified camps and followed the same code.

These people were part peasants, part farmers, part pirates (they raided Turkish coastal trade regularly), part mercenaries, part bandits, by XVI century they became trained professional mercenaries for Poland.

History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]

Interesting, so all the British, French and even German statesmen who's comments i'm parroting were thought by commies as well?:)

History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]

Not really i'm just tired of closet nazi revisionism on your part:)

History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]


Yes there was, just because you're an uneducated neonazi revisionist cretin and dont know history doesnt mean i have to oblige with your stupidity, there were multiple treaties broken by all partitioning countries.

Russia broke the "eternal friendship" treaty, Prussia broke "the good neighbourhood" treaty and Austria broke its 50 years peace treaty so the invasion and occupation of Poland was illegal even in the light of the invading countries own laws so fock you:)))


No thats what neonazi twats like you attempt to sell as history and ignore responces that point out actual history was a bit different then your nazi history 1-0-1 :)))

Also captain troglodity, partition is a process that follows invasion, the end result is annexation and what follows is occupation.

Thats international law for you, XVI century no less, now die of cancer :-)

History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]


It was not, Dumb Sejm did not ratify anything, the members of the Sejm were not allowed to speak in favor or against, there was no vote nor anything of the sort.

As for Other i imagine he's an "Axis Forums" poster, its a place full of closet nazi revisionists, it wont be the first time he ignores arguments that dont fit into his revisionist logic either.

History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]


It does not matter really, there was no international law to justify annexation so the worlds acceptance or lack of thereof does not change the fact that de jure Poland was still polish territory and occupied by foreign powers who extended their rule in stark contrast to commonly perceived international law of the time and afterwards.

Any and all treaties between them and legal or informal acceptance wordliwide of the state of affairs does not change the fact that in this particular case annexation is a term desciribing an activity rather than a legal state of affairs.

Poland was invaded and then occupied, it was continously and illegaly occupied for 100+ years untill it reconstituted itself.

Also annexation always equals ocupation if the annexed state resists, in polish case there's the addition of complete lack of basis for territorial claims by partitioning states, illegality and immorality of the invasion and ocupation.

The fun bit is Germans even today have the audacity to claim that the province of Greater Poland and Poznań have anything to do with Germany because they invaded them in the 18th century.

Ps. Other are you just baiting or are you seriously that revisionist?

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


Not for quite some time now...


Officially or in reality? In reality at least 50% of that money went back to EU.


Smell it baby, behind countries like Germany or UK.


It did, not as much but it did.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


And controlled the reneissance Europe through trade and its immidiate neighbours through diplomacy and military might.


Absolutely rubbish, Poland faced and overcome far greater political and military odds before finally giving in to internal issues, take the deluge when Poland had to fight 2 large and 2 medium sized powers and one small power at the same time (and won!).

US and UK were never faced with such opposition, even Nazi Germany was weaker then reneissance era opposition that Poland faced, of course the XX century armies and communication are larger in scale but then again population of the world is over x50 times larger.

Got any more uneducated bullsh*t to share with us?

Love / Nice Polish women photos [329]


No idea if you look Nort or whatnot but you do look chubby and stupid, what happened to your finger? Paralysis? Didnt mommy teach you not to act like a focking monkey when taking a photo?

Also you're not pretty and you look like you're stoned.

Love / POLISH GIRL I REALLY LIKE, BUT she says we have no future [54]


Best. Statement. Ever :)))

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


Last time i checked the analogy between Poland and US could be made 400 years ago when Poland had analogous power so your point is completely wrong.

Polish economy is 20 years behind and thats about it.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


I dont have to believe i know dont ask me how i just know first hand, imagine the most extreme length Kaczyńscy ever went to, double it, triple it and you have what Jarek is about now.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


I have no idea as to exactly how, what i have idea about is however how Jarosław changed after the crash, PO is a bunch of German sellouts but PiS will assault the very democratic system directly after winning the elections.

I imagine he's going to start f*cking with economy big time as well, this touches you, me all of us.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


Sean you're going to have a helluva wake up call after PiS wins (also saw some Scots in those funny minis you guys wear yesterday, were you in Wrocław?).

I do agree that some of the people who died including Kaczyński were as close to guardians of the states welfare as it gets or at least crucial in preventing foreign and domestic forces from damaging Polands progress.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


Poles are conservative people, most older and loads of younger people, a libertarian approach is simply out of place here.


Complacency in Poland is also deceptive in that it always carries the "it will last forever" vibe and suddenly ends.


Which they're about to do regardless whether its PiS or PO (though personally i believe PiS will win).


Look to pre-partition Poland for ideas on how Poland transforms itself, we're not the pitchforks and torches kind of people, whenever it happened it happened in an orderly manner, what was a great rapid reform for a foreigner was in reality a social revolution - Polish style.

Remember Poland is not a country trying to shape its identity, its a country trying to regain it and of course nothing will be actively done untill social upheaval at a street level happens but thats exactly whats about to happen right now.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


The what?

I completely agree with the remainder though but then again everyone who's not part of SLD does.

Life / HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE POLAND IN 2010? [84]


Which is good, the liberal parties are only good to tone down right wingers.


Not as much as in the West, people everywhere like to get moola for free still we're much less socialist than anyone west of our border.


Not really but then again you're not Polish so you can't see certain things, foreign wannabe experts on Poland like Polonius or just foreigners even living here fail to see one thing.

Polish people lack identity, its not like Belarussians or Ukrainians who never had national awareness and identity, Poles did have it and it was taken away, replaced by partitions, allowed to surface briefly in the interwar period and then again suffocated under russian ocupation.

Thats why today so many Poles reach to history, we're a people with a mindset of an empire forced to live in a midget state, there was no slow process of degradation, Poland went from the most powerfull country in Europe to a second rate power (when it was not occupied) and the people never realised it or accepted it.

Basically Poles are subconsciously trying to reform the old commonwealth into something new, the initial confusion may last some years longer but the economy and everything else mirrors this momentary confusion of Poland.

We're free, we're democratic, now we're in the WTF mental state that will last for a time longer untill Poland will decide what will it do with itself, last time it did so it went from a midget state to major continental power in 60 years but then again last time it did so was under Casimir the Great.

Whatever happens there's going to be interesting times in and for Poland.

Also i see opinions of people like Polonius completely worthless since Poland is such a peculiar country that you have to live in to have even a remote understanding of and you have to be Polish to feel the Blues.

All the current parties prey on this confusion which means they're also temporary and will not shape the future political scene, personally i predict that these will be the last parliamentary elections before the whole system collapses and transforms into something competent and natively Polish.

Democracy should and will work for Poland but not in the western model.

Ps. there's an inferiority complex allright but it refers to our history more than anything else, a Pole measures up not to a German or a Frenchman but to another Pole, 200+ years ago.