History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

I don't think so, Other. I think the whole event and idea for which Auschwitz stands is too deep and too painful and too gross to ever become a tourist attraction - that is if you mean in a sense like "Keukenhof" in NL or some attractionpark.

Edit: for those few who don't know what the Keukenhof is; it's the huge yearly exhibition of flowers close to Amsterdam. Here's a link:

keukenhof.nl/index/en

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M-G (yes another Dutch example as today is Queensday and we all are Dutch today:) )

Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]

Indeed, Kondzior, if I would use the Dutch word for computer, "Rekenmachine", I would spend much more time explaining work related stuff to my peers :)

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M-G (tiens)

Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]

Of course there are plenty of better beers out there. For a Dutch beer I even would say it's the worst beer in my country. There are better beers like Grolsch (from my area) and a couple of delicious white beers from the South. In NL Heineken is regarded as a chemical soup, not as beer. At least where I come from ;) I am sure the descendents of Freddie Heineken would dearly disagree, but who gives a darn :))

Edit: also, due to the fact that Heineken is so freaking big, it's in NL not regarded as a Dutch beer anymore since a decade or 3...

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M-G (tiens)

Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]


It's HEineken. So in a way they changed it indeed into sth Polish. But they were mere examples.

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M-G (Dutch beer, even)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

Seanus, that is exactly what I said in a previous post. I agree that we all must seek to maintain this monument of to what human cruelty and hatred can lead and learn the lesson it teaches us.

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M-G (tiens)

Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]


I do agree on that part. It does sound silly indeed. Especially when you see a Polish text and suddenly you notice a word like "Sunraise" or "Haineken" (which is of course not English, but it's the same). They write it the way they pronounce it and that can lead sometimes to funny outcomes. A bit of the same when listening as a Dutch to a South African talking Afrikaans, which is oldfashioned Dutch, and trying hard not to laugh as some of the words they use sound truly childish to a Dutch person.

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M-G (but for the rest it doesn't matter at all - 21st century, and so on, eh)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]


I would have no objection to it, as long as the money ONLY is used for maintenance of the complex. And, if it is to remain free of entrance, the EU should step in and give the dough to maintain it. Fair is fair.

But you're right that it's basically a grave yard, when I go there, I basically visit the graves of a lot of my anchestors. Only difference with a grave yard is that in a normal grave yard, the ppl who lie there are generally not killed there.

But I do understand that money doesn't grow on trees and that there has to be some sort of funding to keep this monument in existance for many generations to come, so we won't forget to what hatred can lead.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

That's why I said it would be a good idea to ask entrance for it or have it financed by the EU as it rises above all nations and I agreed that it shouldn't be paid for by the Polish taxpayer. It's a monument for mankind, not just one country. And, and that's why I stated it was nonsense, you cannot see one group of Auschwitz victims apart from the others. They were all in it together and they all suffered together. That's why it's a monument for mankind.

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M-G (if there is one place where the ppls of the Earth should feel like brothers, it's Auschwitz, imo)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]


The first part I partly agree with, the last sentense is plain nonsense. Pls read my first post: Auschwitz rises above Poland and the rest of the world as monument to human cruelty. And I am willing to pay an entrance fee for it. Oh, and why do you promote the exception to be a rule?

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M-G (denying that makes you part of the group you described above)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

They didn't notice that entrance was being asked for Sobibor :)

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M-G (oh gee, the gates of hell will now be opened upon us?)

Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]


Give me a freaking break. So what if they use "bekon" or any other English word? Amongst youngsters it's considered cool to use English words. It's not their fault that some of the ppl here are too old to understand that times are changing. I really don't see the point of using ocasionally English words.

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M-G (too many purists is never good)

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]


Unfortunately there will always be ppl like that, Harry. These ppl are generally not happy with themselves and try to defer attention of this by shouting at other groups. I personally think that Auschwitz and the likes have not so much to do with Jews alone, but with all mankind. First of all because it weren't only Jews that were killed there, but also all kinds of other ppl. Auschwitz is (or at least should be) a monument for all mankind. And if they need money to maintain it, I have no problem paying a fee to get in.

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M-G (but enjoy, today is Queensday and everybody is Dutch today:) )

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

I would agree to an entrance fee. After all, Auschwitz rises above Poland and the rest of the world as a monument and testimony of how cruel mankind can actually be. I have no problem as such to pay a tenner (Euro that is) to get in as long as the money is well spent on maintaining the buildings and, if pssble, improving documentation for visitors, paying the guides, etc. I don't think the Polish taxpayers should pay for this; after all, it's not their fault that Auschwitz is on Polish territory. So yes, good idea. Only objection could pssbly be that it should be accessible for everybody (a bit like the UK and Irish museums) in order to grasp a bit of history and "cultural" inheritance. But in that case, I think it should be jointly paid by all the members of the EU.

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M-G (maybe introduce an entrance fee for all the former KZs?)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]


I told you not to take them drugs anymore.

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M-G (now see what happened)

UK, Ireland / Help for Poles based in Uk who want to go bankrupt [18]

Why would you want to go bancrupt? I think that's a bit lame. Basically you want to avoid that as you will lose all independence financially.

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M-G (bancrupcy is a bit defaitistic as well)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]

"The Debate About Poles". I think that's a gross overstatement by TopicStarter. The old hag mentioned "Eastern European immigrants" ONCE and it's immediately turned into a national debate about Poles by some on this forum. That is pretty sad. Why? First of all, nobody mentiones "Poles" anywhere in the video, secondly I think this whol discussion is mainly due to the fact that some ppl have a great talent to make it look like everything that's said or done is there to put them down, insult them or simply to get back at them. Poles generally exceed in that. God, I'm so tired of that.

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M-G (it's Koninginnedag -Queensday- today, so let's just cut the nagging, will we?)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

Well, we know who's saying this, the biggest racist twat on this forum, whom nearly everbody hates, except some fellow depraved souls.

Sokidoki's filosophy: everbody who doesn't agree with me is a liar. Everybody who says sth I don't want to hear or sth that I don't know anything about (which is a lot) is a liar too. And I think it's fair to start calling names under the pretence of "If I shout and curse at them hard enough, they will stop destroying my fake world".

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M-G (nobody really takes you serious, Sokidoki. You don't prove anything ever)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


I was just pointing out the hypocrisy that some ppl, I wasn't talking about you, employ by on one hand supporting the Palestinians and on the other hand condemning fellow Arabs. But besides: Palestinians do have a state in forma: it's called Jordan, which population is for a major part Palestinian.

In short, I think I am pretty objective as to where it comes to this subject. But then again, it's not my country, never have been there and don't know anybody there. The only Israelis I have ever met were a couple of hot female students in Amsterdam (who were suddenly all over me after hearing that I was half-Jewish, while being cool and distant before that) and three boys here in Dubs at work. I really have never met more than, say 10, Israeli in my entire life. So what ties should I have with that country? I consider myself Dutch, and I am Dutch. Not Israeli, not Jewish (just a religion imo), not anything else; just Dutch. And I am proud to be :)

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M-G (a bit cranky lately, Seanus?)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]

Well:

1) the huge influx of Polish ppl, starting immediately after joining the EU was unprecedented, but predicted by most EU countries minus IRE, SE and UK. These three countries bore the brunt of the onslaught which was the mass immigration of Polish workers. Anyway, that influx was very real and not created by the media. Ppl who see a tsunami of foreigners arriving at their doorstep get frightened, especially when they're not that smart.

2) ? The Polish resettlement act of 1947 was intended for dislocated Polish troops WITHIN Britain. It was meant as a thank you from the British government for the huge Polish contributions to the war efforts. (which makes the entire discussion about the ungrateful British towards the Poles a useless one).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947

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M-G (bored)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Now you're talking a bit rubbish, Seanus. I have on multiple occasions rejected Israeli politics. I do see the bigger picture and have shown more objectivity than the average anti-Israeli poster on this forum.

What annoys me though is that the same ppl who feel so sorry for the poor, poor Palestinians are the same that condemn Islam and Arab ppl. Guess what, Palestinians are Arabs too and a lot of them (not all) are Muslim. It's hypocrite and it comes across that it's just against the Jews again and that they in fact not that much care about the Palestinians.



Is this about me? If yes, shame on you. I am NOT a fan of Netanyahu, but I liked Yitzak Rabin. But I am not in favour of Israeli politics, have even signed a petition saying that Israël should stop the building of that dreaded wall (as indeed was ruled by the International Court of Justice in the Hague on the 9th of July 2004) and I have substantially donated for the well being of the Palestinian families (the innocent ones, I mean, I don't support the Palestinian terrorists). I am in fact a little disappointed that you think that I am not objective in this matter. You should know better, Seanus.

Edit: how about your own objectivity?

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M-G (tiens)

UK, Ireland / Anglican bishops protest as nurse is banned from wearing cross [13]

indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=16045

From same website. It seems that Wijngaarden is one of the few realists out there.

I find it truly amazing and shocking that Greg completely ignores the tsunami of child abuse in the Catholic Church, while coming up with this nonsense item, which is already older than a month and has no relevance to anything besides sensationalist's claims that Catholics are being discriminated nor does it have any importance whatsoever. An offer out of weakness, Greg, shame on you.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


I don't know.

And who are you anyway?

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M-G (hehe)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

Admitting you are wrong simply just isn't in your dictionary, right? I have subscribed to this over 15 years ago as I have benefits of it. But if you're too chicken again, I will get you some evidence that in historian's circles Davies is widely doubted as being reliable.

Edit: and rest yourself assured that this is not about PL, but about him as historian, read the critics on his "The Isles".

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M-G (tiens, some ppl do care about their trained profession)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


No, my main source at the moment is the Oxford journal which contains a full synopsis and critique of the work involved. Like said, you have to have a paid subscribtion to it, so if I would link to it, you'd probably only get a login screen. Here's the link, but don't start crying as you usually do when you are being proved wrong:

ehr.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/CXXII/497/795

So, get yourself a subscription and you can see for yourself. It costs 135 Euro per annum, except when you're a member of the American historical/political society. Then you pay 101 Euros. Last month I renewed my subscription.


What makes you think that I am angry? For me to become angry there is more necessary and you haven't kicked my ass so far. Because you are just asking questions in return.

Based on the numbers of footmen, AK should be able to liberate PL herself, she didn't because she may not have been as well armed as the Yugo partizans, the biggest resistance army in the world ;)

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M-G (tiens)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]


Actually that's not true. They do cause problems, but it's different problems. And I am sure that most of the Indian and Pakistani ppl don't cause problems, are generally better educated than most of the Eastern Europeans coming in the UK, or elsewhere and don't drink themselves to oblivion on just about any occasion.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]

Just saw this "incident", including Brown discussing with the old bigot. A lot of fuss about nothing. She mentions "immigrants from Eastern Europe" ONCE. And that is it. The bag talks mainly about her pension and her grandkids. I don't think there is a national discussion about that one remark going on in Britain. Maybe TS is a bit paranoid? Like I said, stop nagging about it and go back to work ;)

Edit: when does British television learn to subtitle when ppl talk with an unintelligible accent? In NL they do that. When I watch British football programs, there is this Scottish analyst and I understand barely half of what he says and my English is pretty good.

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M-G (but I guess the word Eastern and Europe spoken by a Westerner rings alarmclocks instantly)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Not at all. I'm not uncomfortable with anything. Funny how you always interpret things according to your own silly little world.

But I haven't seen you contribute anything except reacting to my posts and if you do, it's just bytching and no substantial addition to anything.

And ahwwww, did I insult you? Don't care if I did. Well, just think before you try to insult me, which you try to do over and over again, without success. If I am boring, then so are you, because you're the only one that reacts to it all the freaking time. And if I wasn't interesting to you you simply would've ignored me, like I do with nearly all your posts in reaction to what sb says.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

I stated there is also a source in the Oxford Journals, for which you have to subscribe, which costs money. I could leave a link to that one here, but you'd only get a login screen I'm afraid. As soon as I have time, I will provide more links, but it's not about spitting on PL, it's about a biased historian, because his work previous to his Polish work is being critisised just as hard among historians. But that "my dad told me"-thing, doesn't that also go for most claims here made about Polish history?

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M-G (it's called popular science for the masses)

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Indeed true. But the funny thing is at the same time they totally reject those very same Arabs and don't allow them to live in PL. But as long as it's against the Jews, everything goes, it seems. Arabs are no angels either.

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M-G (fair's fair)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Ah, you can now also look in ppl's head? Don't overestimate yourself, you're just a simple bimbo with lousy excuses.


Idiocy because it diminishes the glorious past of the even more glorious kip of Poland?

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M-G (it must be hard to swallow that PL is not the best, the most glorious and the most noble in everything)