Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Okay...*laughs*
Till next time...*takes hat and leaves*
Okay...*laughs*
Till next time...*takes hat and leaves*
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
I doubt that Rich....I really do!
In the best case globalization will lead us to pool our resources to leave that old used up planet (to hot, to withered) behind to have a sliver of a chance of survival for our race. (A future which already Stephen Hawking said will be actually our only one).
space.com/38695-stephen-hawking-humanity-must-leave-earth.html
No country alone will have a chance of stemming that...it will need a global effort...if we want to survive! No sci-fi joke here...
In the case of this huge scheme how truly tiny are our annoyances with this illegal latino or that arab refugee! And how unhelpful is the fight against it...
Oh, yes, we know a lot, or at least enough.
I doubt that Rich....I really do!
In the best case globalization will lead us to pool our resources to leave that old used up planet (to hot, to withered) behind to have a sliver of a chance of survival for our race. (A future which already Stephen Hawking said will be actually our only one).
space.com/38695-stephen-hawking-humanity-must-leave-earth.html
No country alone will have a chance of stemming that...it will need a global effort...if we want to survive! No sci-fi joke here...
In the case of this huge scheme how truly tiny are our annoyances with this illegal latino or that arab refugee! And how unhelpful is the fight against it...
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Thing is, THEY back then couldn't know that...no consolation for them. They couldn't know that the IR would lead to the US and New York and Bill Gates and the Internet and Rich and Bratwurst Boy on PF...
Right now you see the chaos and the unwelcomed, fearsome change, the end of our old world order only too...you can't know what globalization will bring mankind. And how could you...
In some points you could Trump compare with a farmers leader back then, ranting at the machines, promising to protect the farmers and fight these dastardly new things which threatens the lives of them all.
To vote for him is understandable but also as useless in the big scheme of things...in the worst case he will lead his followers into isolation and backwardness whereas elsewhere around him the IR takes up pace!
As painful as the beginnings were, it was progress that would eventually lead to a higher standard of living.
Thing is, THEY back then couldn't know that...no consolation for them. They couldn't know that the IR would lead to the US and New York and Bill Gates and the Internet and Rich and Bratwurst Boy on PF...
Right now you see the chaos and the unwelcomed, fearsome change, the end of our old world order only too...you can't know what globalization will bring mankind. And how could you...
In some points you could Trump compare with a farmers leader back then, ranting at the machines, promising to protect the farmers and fight these dastardly new things which threatens the lives of them all.
To vote for him is understandable but also as useless in the big scheme of things...in the worst case he will lead his followers into isolation and backwardness whereas elsewhere around him the IR takes up pace!
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
Off-Topic / Ukraine - a country in Central Europe? [28]
Germany doesn't even need to make an effort...in fact they are for years trying to avoid also the smallest reason for suspicion that they could or would...it doesn't matter at all.
As the biggest country with the most economical power and population it's an unavoidable consequence that they make it "German in Character" more than some can stomach.
That's just the influence of facts...that's also why there won't be such a "revival"...it will just be...
I think so too...
Once Germany has said good-bye to its efforts to eventually build a vast central European empire
Germany doesn't even need to make an effort...in fact they are for years trying to avoid also the smallest reason for suspicion that they could or would...it doesn't matter at all.
As the biggest country with the most economical power and population it's an unavoidable consequence that they make it "German in Character" more than some can stomach.
That's just the influence of facts...that's also why there won't be such a "revival"...it will just be...
East Germany would be a very important link in that scheme because of its strong Middle Ages Slavic backdrop
I think so too...
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
No, it wasn't!
The illiterate farmer had no influence whatsoever. And in the beginning of the IR this population group was the majority. And in the beginning it wasn't a benefit for them either. People enslaved to the machines, working themselves to death, living in stinking rat holes...still hungry, dying often a prematurely death because of sickness or accidents, no rights...just slaves in anything but name.
And just think about a minute that for these people their world order was destroyed too...the old hierarchies...they left their fields and their ancient old ways on the land for the newly build cities.
Somehow I'm totally sure there had been many people ranting against these new times...losing control...old securities gone without the new ones in place...CHAOS everywhere.
What you call benefits...the rise of an educated middle class, the urbanization, the progress in technology and also in the societies...they couldn't know that as their lived through it.
The industrial revolution "happened" with the consent and to the benefit of those who made it happen. Everybody was better off for it.
No, it wasn't!
The illiterate farmer had no influence whatsoever. And in the beginning of the IR this population group was the majority. And in the beginning it wasn't a benefit for them either. People enslaved to the machines, working themselves to death, living in stinking rat holes...still hungry, dying often a prematurely death because of sickness or accidents, no rights...just slaves in anything but name.
And just think about a minute that for these people their world order was destroyed too...the old hierarchies...they left their fields and their ancient old ways on the land for the newly build cities.
Somehow I'm totally sure there had been many people ranting against these new times...losing control...old securities gone without the new ones in place...CHAOS everywhere.
What you call benefits...the rise of an educated middle class, the urbanization, the progress in technology and also in the societies...they couldn't know that as their lived through it.
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Exactly, but not only. This "Latino invasion" is only one facette of a much bigger global development...the world is changing. And this change might proof as profound like the "industrial revolution" in the 18th Century.
We wouldn't know and talk with each other without it...we would live totally different lives today. But of course the people living through it bag then had no idea, couldn't grasp it...
Maybe my history-hobby is helping with that...I'm kind of disconnected already...rather an observer and an analyst like.
Like the Latino invasion here.
Exactly, but not only. This "Latino invasion" is only one facette of a much bigger global development...the world is changing. And this change might proof as profound like the "industrial revolution" in the 18th Century.
We wouldn't know and talk with each other without it...we would live totally different lives today. But of course the people living through it bag then had no idea, couldn't grasp it...
I hope the disconnect day will never come in your life.
Maybe my history-hobby is helping with that...I'm kind of disconnected already...rather an observer and an analyst like.
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Isn't that a contradiction? History and culpability?
I have never in my life killed a jew, I swear! (And I don't plan to)...I think the better word for culpability is "responsibility". That something like that past never happens again.
And no, that has IMHO no influence in how someones sees his country. If he is proud and grateful or just glad...That is more like wishful thinking that a blemished past makes people less proud. I think there speaks the fear (mostly be former victims), that these events could be repeated if the descendants becomes "to proud". But in my opinion even 1945 most Germans regretted that they lost the war, and later even might be ashamed of the holocaust, not that they were Germans, that these people denouncing their german heritage in consequence had never been more than some fanatics on the margins.
Today being "not proud" has some different reason altogether...that is part of the anti-nationalist thinking of a rising number of young people which define themselves as globalists...with several passports, studies and jobs in different countries, multi-lingual etc...they don't want to wave any flag because they don't want them. Not because of some "shame".
As with any nation, the US included, history let's NOBODY off the hook of culpability:-)
Isn't that a contradiction? History and culpability?
I have never in my life killed a jew, I swear! (And I don't plan to)...I think the better word for culpability is "responsibility". That something like that past never happens again.
And no, that has IMHO no influence in how someones sees his country. If he is proud and grateful or just glad...That is more like wishful thinking that a blemished past makes people less proud. I think there speaks the fear (mostly be former victims), that these events could be repeated if the descendants becomes "to proud". But in my opinion even 1945 most Germans regretted that they lost the war, and later even might be ashamed of the holocaust, not that they were Germans, that these people denouncing their german heritage in consequence had never been more than some fanatics on the margins.
Today being "not proud" has some different reason altogether...that is part of the anti-nationalist thinking of a rising number of young people which define themselves as globalists...with several passports, studies and jobs in different countries, multi-lingual etc...they don't want to wave any flag because they don't want them. Not because of some "shame".
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
No design! No power to design either! But trying to see where the travel may lead us...Just a different kind of mind game to these armageddon plays after which we all are already doomed by (insert pet peeve).
Everyone studying history knows of meta-developments. Events to big and complex and moving so slowly that they are nearly impossible to grasp if you are living them. But from afar, from a historians point of view, with information spanning centuries they are becoming clear and consequential.
I just try to guess the future with the knowledge of history... :)
Why do I have this feeling that I am back in Yalta watching the three guys designing Europe.
No design! No power to design either! But trying to see where the travel may lead us...Just a different kind of mind game to these armageddon plays after which we all are already doomed by (insert pet peeve).
Everyone studying history knows of meta-developments. Events to big and complex and moving so slowly that they are nearly impossible to grasp if you are living them. But from afar, from a historians point of view, with information spanning centuries they are becoming clear and consequential.
I just try to guess the future with the knowledge of history... :)
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
....just call them regions and we can make a big step forward Crowie! :)
How about they themselves?
That is the reason for that new development. Instead of one central HQ trying to rule over so many different regions where each has their own culture and history and needs and preferences the regions have their own govs.
It's already tried successfully...it's called federal system. Countries with strong federal laws are commonly more succesfull than states ruled by one centrum. After all the federal govs know much better what their regions needs and wants.
In few new states.
....just call them regions and we can make a big step forward Crowie! :)
And who would rule regions?
How about they themselves?
That is the reason for that new development. Instead of one central HQ trying to rule over so many different regions where each has their own culture and history and needs and preferences the regions have their own govs.
It's already tried successfully...it's called federal system. Countries with strong federal laws are commonly more succesfull than states ruled by one centrum. After all the federal govs know much better what their regions needs and wants.
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Yes, it was prevented, by Madrid, fearing the loss of one of their most important, rich and successful regions, fearing their loss of status and power as nation state.
But I personally see the Catalonia fight as one of many following in the coming years...as the big nation states will dissolve slowly into a "Europe of Regions".
I think that's the future for the EU, for Europe...but nobody said it will be quick and easy.
Yes, it was prevented, by Madrid, fearing the loss of one of their most important, rich and successful regions, fearing their loss of status and power as nation state.
But I personally see the Catalonia fight as one of many following in the coming years...as the big nation states will dissolve slowly into a "Europe of Regions".
I think that's the future for the EU, for Europe...but nobody said it will be quick and easy.
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Well...then I have to tell you that the Moon is made up from blueberry joghurt...and I am the source! It's the truth..you will see!
As long as you keep my Germans happy....you know we can get abit grumpy when not happy....you don't want that....again! :)
I am the source. I telling you what happening.
Well...then I have to tell you that the Moon is made up from blueberry joghurt...and I am the source! It's the truth..you will see!
Problem is that YOU don`t have any idea what really happening.
As long as you keep my Germans happy....you know we can get abit grumpy when not happy....you don't want that....again! :)
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
A link please....
You must get your insider info from somewhere...I would be most grateful if you would let us take part in your endless wisdom...but I need sources for that! :)
A link please....
You must get your insider info from somewhere...I would be most grateful if you would let us take part in your endless wisdom...but I need sources for that! :)
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
What poll would that be?
I have one survey for you: From all EU countries Germans like Germany best!
shz.de/deutschland-welt/panorama/umfrage-deutsche-moegen-deutschland-am-liebsten-id14850311.html
(next favorites down the line are Italy, Sweden and Spain...but the distance to Germany is extensive)
When Germany is gone there won't be any Poland anymore either....start thinking man!
Another survey: Everybody loves Germany and Germany loves itself! :)
welt.de/politik/ausland/article128720834/Alle-lieben-Deutschland-und-Deutschland-liebt-sich.html
Yellow = positive
Red = negative
...and another survey...the most actual one:The Germans are happy! (Doesn't sound so much like a self-hating people, doesn't it)
tagesspiegel.de/politik/eu-weite-umfrage-die-deutschen-sind-gluecklich/21205508.html
"After an EU-wide survey nine of ten Germans identified themselves as happy. Far above the EU average." (Translation mine:)
Maybe it's high time to put the old faible that Germans hate themselves and their country to rest for good...
...and another survey...the most actual one:The Germans are happy! (Doesn't sound so much like a self-hating people, doesn't it)
tagesspiegel.de/politik/eu-weite-umfrage-die-deutschen-sind-gluecklich/21205508.html
"After an EU-wide survey nine of ten Germans identified themselves as happy. Far above the EU average." (Translation mine:)
Now your polls please...
You're alone in your opinion then, since public opinion polls show that most Germans are ashamed of being German.
What poll would that be?
I have one survey for you: From all EU countries Germans like Germany best!
shz.de/deutschland-welt/panorama/umfrage-deutsche-moegen-deutschland-am-liebsten-id14850311.html
(next favorites down the line are Italy, Sweden and Spain...but the distance to Germany is extensive)
One day, when Germany is gone, you may find your new heimat in Poland.
When Germany is gone there won't be any Poland anymore either....start thinking man!
Another survey: Everybody loves Germany and Germany loves itself! :)
welt.de/politik/ausland/article128720834/Alle-lieben-Deutschland-und-Deutschland-liebt-sich.html
Yellow = positive
Red = negative
...and another survey...the most actual one:The Germans are happy! (Doesn't sound so much like a self-hating people, doesn't it)
tagesspiegel.de/politik/eu-weite-umfrage-die-deutschen-sind-gluecklich/21205508.html
"After an EU-wide survey nine of ten Germans identified themselves as happy. Far above the EU average." (Translation mine:)
Maybe it's high time to put the old faible that Germans hate themselves and their country to rest for good...
...and another survey...the most actual one:The Germans are happy! (Doesn't sound so much like a self-hating people, doesn't it)
tagesspiegel.de/politik/eu-weite-umfrage-die-deutschen-sind-gluecklich/21205508.html
"After an EU-wide survey nine of ten Germans identified themselves as happy. Far above the EU average." (Translation mine:)
Now your polls please...
Bratwurst Boy
18 Oct 2018
Off-Topic / Ukraine - a country in Central Europe? [28]
Yeah....and in few years all continents will become one huge landmass again...lol
I think Russia poses a similiar problem as Ukraine. Even if most of cultural Russia belongs to Europe, most of the territory does not...so Russia is often not seen as belonging to Europe at all.
with todays mass immigration this might change soon
Yeah....and in few years all continents will become one huge landmass again...lol
Why not to write that Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Russia are just countries in Europe?
I think Russia poses a similiar problem as Ukraine. Even if most of cultural Russia belongs to Europe, most of the territory does not...so Russia is often not seen as belonging to Europe at all.
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
I'm just glad I was born a German...historical warts and all...cool people, cool country...meine Heimat!
(I was lucky! :)
'night
I'm just glad I was born a German...historical warts and all...cool people, cool country...meine Heimat!
(I was lucky! :)
'night
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
It could very well be that to many of these hard-to-integrate newcomers makes more Germans fall back onto their old famous/infamous virtues.
A consequence most of these open-borders lefties for sure never calculated with....oh the irony!
Definitely both...unique in greatness + slightly odd! :):):)
Times sure have changed:-)
It could very well be that to many of these hard-to-integrate newcomers makes more Germans fall back onto their old famous/infamous virtues.
A consequence most of these open-borders lefties for sure never calculated with....oh the irony!
To be special = to be unique in greatness
To be special = to be slightly odd
To be special = to be slightly odd
Definitely both...unique in greatness + slightly odd! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
I know we are special! :):):)
My point is that you can give Germany a lot more credit and still be factually correct.
I know we are special! :):):)
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
...but what when they don't love/respect you back?
One big problem with so many newcomers from the african/arabic "macho"-cultures is that they see love/respect as weakness and react with contempt...a successfull integration is then nearly impossible.
What then?
even it "love" really should be replaced by "respect"!!
...but what when they don't love/respect you back?
One big problem with so many newcomers from the african/arabic "macho"-cultures is that they see love/respect as weakness and react with contempt...a successfull integration is then nearly impossible.
What then?
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Well...I'm a hobby historian, specializing in central european history...and I KNOW that there have been times people have looked at Germans with the same distaste and contempt...backwards have-nots...as our greatest exports had been uneducated and poor people.
Germans still were the same, back then as now....just not as lucky living in an orderly, wealthy, respected democracy...we just lucked out with our blessed birth in this country (or in any rich and free western country) in these times, but that doesn't mean we are in any way better!
Use the country-home similarities and everything is so supremely clear and doubt-free.
Well...I'm a hobby historian, specializing in central european history...and I KNOW that there have been times people have looked at Germans with the same distaste and contempt...backwards have-nots...as our greatest exports had been uneducated and poor people.
Germans still were the same, back then as now....just not as lucky living in an orderly, wealthy, respected democracy...we just lucked out with our blessed birth in this country (or in any rich and free western country) in these times, but that doesn't mean we are in any way better!
Bratwurst Boy
17 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
I try to put myself into their shoes....I think I would try to survive too at all costs...if that would mean lying, stealing I would. Especially if I would have little ones, I would try EVERYTHING to give them a chance of a better life. There are things worse than death, keep on living in a hopeless nightmare is surely on of them.
Now I live their dream of a life...and I of course abhor their lying and stealing...but I can understand them.
What we have now is IMHO an unresolvable conflict.
I want to keep my good life and feel it is threatened because there are so many of THEM and we are so few. So many who will do everything, even criminal things to get some of what we take for granted.
I'm uncomfortable about the threat they pose, I'm extremely unhappy that there isn't a soon and easy solution for all of us...but I don't hate these people, that would be so hypocritical and useless, as we would do the same if we were in their shoes!
I try to put myself into their shoes....I think I would try to survive too at all costs...if that would mean lying, stealing I would. Especially if I would have little ones, I would try EVERYTHING to give them a chance of a better life. There are things worse than death, keep on living in a hopeless nightmare is surely on of them.
Now I live their dream of a life...and I of course abhor their lying and stealing...but I can understand them.
What we have now is IMHO an unresolvable conflict.
I want to keep my good life and feel it is threatened because there are so many of THEM and we are so few. So many who will do everything, even criminal things to get some of what we take for granted.
I'm uncomfortable about the threat they pose, I'm extremely unhappy that there isn't a soon and easy solution for all of us...but I don't hate these people, that would be so hypocritical and useless, as we would do the same if we were in their shoes!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Oct 2018
Off-Topic / Ukraine - a country in Central Europe? [28]
....but not all of it! People will never say: "Ukraine till up to....belongs to Central Europe". The categorization just doesn't work that way...
I think this map shows it quite well...the countries in red are central because they ARE central for every eye to see, without some extra clarification and differentiation needed.
You are fighting windmills here...
And if you ask me personally I would go even further and delete the most outer left country and the two most southwards countries from this map too, they aren't "central" anymore either.
and the largest part of Ukraine will be in Central Europe.
....but not all of it! People will never say: "Ukraine till up to....belongs to Central Europe". The categorization just doesn't work that way...
I think this map shows it quite well...the countries in red are central because they ARE central for every eye to see, without some extra clarification and differentiation needed.
You are fighting windmills here...
And if you ask me personally I would go even further and delete the most outer left country and the two most southwards countries from this map too, they aren't "central" anymore either.
Bratwurst Boy
16 Oct 2018
Off-Topic / Ukraine - a country in Central Europe? [28]
Even if so, what's with the rest of Ukraine? Somewhere you have to draw a line....
Even if so, what's with the rest of Ukraine? Somewhere you have to draw a line....
Bratwurst Boy
16 Oct 2018
Off-Topic / Ukraine - a country in Central Europe? [28]
Hmm...Central Europe is Germany, Poland and a few others...It's a geographical thing...because they ARE smack in the middle!
Wikipedia represents Ukraine (which is a Central European country) as a country in Eastern Europe
Hmm...Central Europe is Germany, Poland and a few others...It's a geographical thing...because they ARE smack in the middle!
Bratwurst Boy
16 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Me too...but when the last years have shown something it's that this is just not possible. For a thorough backgroundcheck no german institution (or any other in the West) has the contacts availably in the home countries which would be needed to proof read every story.
Hell, they even lie about their age!
I AM in favor of through background checks for ANY AND ALL new arrivals in the country....EVERY country, my own included:-)
Me too...but when the last years have shown something it's that this is just not possible. For a thorough backgroundcheck no german institution (or any other in the West) has the contacts availably in the home countries which would be needed to proof read every story.
Hell, they even lie about their age!
Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Can't we just let the refugee problem die it's natural death?
As the new numbers show there is no such crisis anymore....we still have a problem with showing those the ropes who abuse our generosity but there are no new waves storming our borders....
It should be over now!
Can't we just let the refugee problem die it's natural death?
As the new numbers show there is no such crisis anymore....we still have a problem with showing those the ropes who abuse our generosity but there are no new waves storming our borders....
It should be over now!
Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Is this the end of muslim and african immigration to Germany?
The new statistics say that 2017 1,551 Mio people immigrated into Germany but 1,135 Mio people left. That makes a "surplus" of only 450.000 people.
That is near equality compared to 2015 as the surplus was about 1,1 Mio people.
Most of these newcomers in 2017 came from other EU 140.000 countries (239.000 people). Mainly Romanians, Poles, Croats and Bulgarians.
Next biggest group was Asian (140.000) and other european/non-EU countries (60.000).
From Africa came last year only 35.000 people! Also the immigration from Syria (60.000), Afghanistan (4000) and Iraq (16.000) decreased heavily compared to 2016.
spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/fluechtlinge-zuwanderung-nach-deutschland-nimmt-ab-a-1233269.html
I guess there won't be any islamization of Germany anytime soon...not with these numbers!
Another good news is that one of the 9/11 terrorists (Mounir al-Motassadeq) gets now kicked out of german jail (after 15 years) to Morocco. Even as the North African countries still don't belong to the so called "safe" countries where deportations are allowed (thank you Greens).
Good to see that the common sense prevailed this time and even the hard core leftists were to smart to protest his deportation with some tearjerking support of the "poor guy" and how he might be frowned upon at home... and how Germany can't allow such "torture".
spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/mounir-al-motassadeq-hamburg-schiebt-9-11-terrorhelfer-ab-a-1233296.html
Is this the end of muslim and african immigration to Germany?
The new statistics say that 2017 1,551 Mio people immigrated into Germany but 1,135 Mio people left. That makes a "surplus" of only 450.000 people.
That is near equality compared to 2015 as the surplus was about 1,1 Mio people.
Most of these newcomers in 2017 came from other EU 140.000 countries (239.000 people). Mainly Romanians, Poles, Croats and Bulgarians.
Next biggest group was Asian (140.000) and other european/non-EU countries (60.000).
From Africa came last year only 35.000 people! Also the immigration from Syria (60.000), Afghanistan (4000) and Iraq (16.000) decreased heavily compared to 2016.
spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/fluechtlinge-zuwanderung-nach-deutschland-nimmt-ab-a-1233269.html
I guess there won't be any islamization of Germany anytime soon...not with these numbers!
Another good news is that one of the 9/11 terrorists (Mounir al-Motassadeq) gets now kicked out of german jail (after 15 years) to Morocco. Even as the North African countries still don't belong to the so called "safe" countries where deportations are allowed (thank you Greens).
Good to see that the common sense prevailed this time and even the hard core leftists were to smart to protest his deportation with some tearjerking support of the "poor guy" and how he might be frowned upon at home... and how Germany can't allow such "torture".
spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/mounir-al-motassadeq-hamburg-schiebt-9-11-terrorhelfer-ab-a-1233296.html
Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
Yeah...and what a happy past this was...tell me again how often Poland vanished from the map or were occupied or jailed...
After throwing away the only tool which allows Poland to sit on the table with the big boys and NOT being ignored/ruled by them you will need these survival skills again, for sure!
Why you deem that smiley-worthy is again beyond me though....
And Poles do have an outstanding and quite impressive skills when it comes to adapting to a changing politico-economical environment
Yeah...and what a happy past this was...tell me again how often Poland vanished from the map or were occupied or jailed...
After throwing away the only tool which allows Poland to sit on the table with the big boys and NOT being ignored/ruled by them you will need these survival skills again, for sure!
Why you deem that smiley-worthy is again beyond me though....
Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
No....another Ukraine is more like it.
I'm just glad most Poles aren't willing to gamble with their lives to "prove" something...
It will weaken the common people, it will strengthen the rich and super rich....how that should weaken the EU is beyond me. The whole Brexit is a game by those few rich who actually profit from paying less taxes for the infrastructure and alot less labour laws and other "stupid" regulations. The stupid sheep will pay the price!
Next you will say Poland can go it alone on the world market, it will be equal to China, Russia and the US...and the EU will suffer for it.
In what world are you living???
So my point is that Poland is growing not because of the EU but DESPITE the EU
No....another Ukraine is more like it.
The only way to prove it is to actually do it.
I'm just glad most Poles aren't willing to gamble with their lives to "prove" something...
f the UK choose to become a free market economy with minimal welfare state it will economically weaken the old EU,
It will weaken the common people, it will strengthen the rich and super rich....how that should weaken the EU is beyond me. The whole Brexit is a game by those few rich who actually profit from paying less taxes for the infrastructure and alot less labour laws and other "stupid" regulations. The stupid sheep will pay the price!
Next you will say Poland can go it alone on the world market, it will be equal to China, Russia and the US...and the EU will suffer for it.
In what world are you living???
Bratwurst Boy
15 Oct 2018
News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]
I have the West see winning hands down against an enemy who had all that you seemingly so adore and in the end it didn't help them one bit. They lost the people!
I think we have just to agree to disagree here...
I have the West see winning hands down against an enemy who had all that you seemingly so adore and in the end it didn't help them one bit. They lost the people!
I think we have just to agree to disagree here...