Barney
16 Aug 2011
USA, Canada / Going back to the Old Country of Poland after more than 25 years! (from USA) [249]
Blessed Virgin Mary going up.....
just curious - why was this past weekend a długi weekend?
Blessed Virgin Mary going up.....
Barney
29 Jul 2011
UK, Ireland / Poles in the UK not a problem as far as i can tell [79]
He he yeah, he was just a grump.
He he yeah, he was just a grump.
Barney
29 Jul 2011
UK, Ireland / Poles in the UK not a problem as far as i can tell [79]
The man had been working in Germany and thought that because Germany lost the last war they should be working for us. Who won the war is something frustrated people say however I don’t think he was frustrated he just seemed to not like people.
What was this "who won the war" thing?
The man had been working in Germany and thought that because Germany lost the last war they should be working for us. Who won the war is something frustrated people say however I don’t think he was frustrated he just seemed to not like people.
Barney
28 Jul 2011
UK, Ireland / Poles in the UK not a problem as far as i can tell [79]
Indeed.
I met my first rampant looper today (in Ireland), he was complaining about Poles stealing jobs, houses and the usual. I asked him had he met any Poles and he said yes when he was working in Germany. He then went on to say "who won the war", there was no talking to the man in about 5 minutes he managed to mention Poles, WW2 and the Brits, so me and my mate just took the pi$$. How did I meet him? Like him I was buying cheap tobacco and he was complaining about spongers.
=Wroclaw Boy]Thats capitalism my man.
Indeed.
I met my first rampant looper today (in Ireland), he was complaining about Poles stealing jobs, houses and the usual. I asked him had he met any Poles and he said yes when he was working in Germany. He then went on to say "who won the war", there was no talking to the man in about 5 minutes he managed to mention Poles, WW2 and the Brits, so me and my mate just took the pi$$. How did I meet him? Like him I was buying cheap tobacco and he was complaining about spongers.
Barney
28 Jul 2011
UK, Ireland / Poles in the UK not a problem as far as i can tell [79]
If that is true blame the employers who will pay the least they can get away with.
=The Hairy Arse]take our jobs
If that is true blame the employers who will pay the least they can get away with.
Barney
27 Jul 2011
History / Fascinating account by von Moltke-Prussian chief of Staff: Poland: A historical Sketch. [30]
I know however the tensions that lead to those crimes must have started somewhere, just putting forward a possible explanation.
Ukrainians in 1943-44 murdered Polish peasants, not nobles.
I know however the tensions that lead to those crimes must have started somewhere, just putting forward a possible explanation.
Barney
27 Jul 2011
History / Fascinating account by von Moltke-Prussian chief of Staff: Poland: A historical Sketch. [30]
David I meant about 100 years after 1846.
David I meant about 100 years after 1846.
Barney
27 Jul 2011
History / Fascinating account by von Moltke-Prussian chief of Staff: Poland: A historical Sketch. [30]
I always thought that Austria took the side of the peasants against the Nobles and that this had something to do with the events about 100 years later (volyn) as the peasantry where mainly Ukrainian.
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Volyn was in Russian partition but the peasants were Ukrainian I believe.
I always thought that Austria took the side of the peasants against the Nobles and that this had something to do with the events about 100 years later (volyn) as the peasantry where mainly Ukrainian.
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Volyn was in Russian partition but the peasants were Ukrainian I believe.
Barney
25 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
The Occupation is not a myth.
There is no need to coat trail.
I've never been a big fan of neorealism where anarchy is the governing principal of the international system. If you believe that states that dont help themselves fail to prosper and it’s their own fault when they die you are on very shaky ground. The might is right of social Darwinism throws all attempts of legal justification out of the window. You can’t possibly say there was no occupation.
You like definitions and the fig leaf of legality so where are the legal documents formally ending the occupation?
Where are the documents the representatives of the Polish people signed agreeing to annexation?
The legal basis of annexation relies upon Britain and/or France (at different times) recognising the right of three Empires to expand into someone else’s territory ie Seeking permission from the global bullies.
If there was no colonisation or occupation how and why did Poland reappear. Surely if they willingly joined these Empires there was no need for a new Poland
It was an occupation pure and simple.
You said it yourself...
"Myths help define a nation painting it in a good light, today it's called spin."
"Myths help define a nation painting it in a good light, today it's called spin."
The Occupation is not a myth.
Or have you forgotten about those traitorous nobles?
There is no need to coat trail.
I've never been a big fan of neorealism where anarchy is the governing principal of the international system. If you believe that states that dont help themselves fail to prosper and it’s their own fault when they die you are on very shaky ground. The might is right of social Darwinism throws all attempts of legal justification out of the window. You can’t possibly say there was no occupation.
You like definitions and the fig leaf of legality so where are the legal documents formally ending the occupation?
Where are the documents the representatives of the Polish people signed agreeing to annexation?
The legal basis of annexation relies upon Britain and/or France (at different times) recognising the right of three Empires to expand into someone else’s territory ie Seeking permission from the global bullies.
If there was no colonisation or occupation how and why did Poland reappear. Surely if they willingly joined these Empires there was no need for a new Poland
It was an occupation pure and simple.
Barney
24 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
Did Poland give up its Sovereignty voluntarily or violently?
Re emerging states do so because of de colonisation, state dissolution, peaceful reunification, termination of an occupationor concession of a conquest.
The Polish state was reborn the Polish nation never died.
You can put whatever neo realist (The bastard child of neo conservatism) spin upon annexation vs occupation you want the fact remains that the Polish state was violently conquered and occupied the Polish nation continued to exist and the Polish state was reborn due to the ending of the occupation.
This legal argument is laughable this justification relies upon Britain and France recognising a "fact on the ground" and is applying modern concepts retrospectively.
Signing treaties and sending diplomatic missions throughout the world didn't make for peaceful international relations but provided the justification for colonisation. The correlates of war project make this abundantly clear.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlates_of_War
Most nations were not subject to this Eurocentric definition. The vast majority of nations given this (retrospective recognition) ended up being colonised.
Did Poland give up its Sovereignty voluntarily or violently?
Re emerging states do so because of de colonisation, state dissolution, peaceful reunification, termination of an occupationor concession of a conquest.
The Polish state was reborn the Polish nation never died.
You can put whatever neo realist (The bastard child of neo conservatism) spin upon annexation vs occupation you want the fact remains that the Polish state was violently conquered and occupied the Polish nation continued to exist and the Polish state was reborn due to the ending of the occupation.
This legal argument is laughable this justification relies upon Britain and France recognising a "fact on the ground" and is applying modern concepts retrospectively.
Signing treaties and sending diplomatic missions throughout the world didn't make for peaceful international relations but provided the justification for colonisation. The correlates of war project make this abundantly clear.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlates_of_War
Most nations were not subject to this Eurocentric definition. The vast majority of nations given this (retrospective recognition) ended up being colonised.
Barney
24 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
Poland was occupied full stop.
Secret agreements and making offers that couldn’t be refused equals a fraternal and legal union ultimately with three empires is one strange take on the partitions.
The cloak of legality may serve as an excuse once occupation was completed in the same way that colonial apparatchiks respond "not in an official capacity" when questioned about their knowledge of hideous crimes. You removed this paper thin justification by reverting to prehistoric, pre legal times when might was right. Either way its you are German cos we say so.
The children who defied their teachers were only doing so because they were told to, the occupation of Poland was legal and right and if only those childish Poles would do what they were told they would all be good Germans, and eternal peace would have been ushered in.
Poland was occupied full stop.
Secret agreements and making offers that couldn’t be refused equals a fraternal and legal union ultimately with three empires is one strange take on the partitions.
The cloak of legality may serve as an excuse once occupation was completed in the same way that colonial apparatchiks respond "not in an official capacity" when questioned about their knowledge of hideous crimes. You removed this paper thin justification by reverting to prehistoric, pre legal times when might was right. Either way its you are German cos we say so.
The children who defied their teachers were only doing so because they were told to, the occupation of Poland was legal and right and if only those childish Poles would do what they were told they would all be good Germans, and eternal peace would have been ushered in.
Barney
23 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
No one asked permission it was quite rude really.
Terrible people thought they would never leave.
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You edited that to make a silly statement even sillier.
Every territory that at some point of time was independent or belonged to a different country, but is now a part of another nation, is occupied? So East Prussia, Silesia and Pomerania are actually German territories which are occupied by Poland and Russia at the moment? Oppressors, all of them... :)
No one asked permission it was quite rude really.
Terrible people thought they would never leave.
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depending on how far you want to go back
You edited that to make a silly statement even sillier.
Barney
23 Jul 2011
Barney
23 Jul 2011
Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]
They are both compartmentalised......oh and wide.
What do these two pieces of art in Wrocław share?
They are both compartmentalised......oh and wide.
Barney
23 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
Poland was occupied full stop.
A piece of paper doesn’t make it right.
Poland was occupied full stop.
A piece of paper doesn’t make it right.
Barney
21 Jul 2011
Life / Poland has to pick a nation and accept 3 million people of that nation - who do you choose [59]
You want to remove half my family from Ireland? I think people would have a thing or two to say about that.
Mix from a couple of countries, and Poland would be more than welcome to all the Prods in the occupied six counties of Eire.
You want to remove half my family from Ireland? I think people would have a thing or two to say about that.
Barney
21 Jul 2011
Feedback / PolishForums Motto? :) [149]
At night the pole would talk to itself and the chatter wasn't too good.
Don Van Vleet
Is that similar to a totem pole....?
At night the pole would talk to itself and the chatter wasn't too good.
Don Van Vleet
Barney
21 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
That’s how society works. What are you going to do when you disagree with something don’t talk infront of the children? The state was reaching into the home and children react.
That’s how society works. What are you going to do when you disagree with something don’t talk infront of the children? The state was reaching into the home and children react.
Barney
21 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
Indeed it was, a lack of electronic media suggests that the children were reflecting the true views of the community. To stop talking infront of your children is not an option children will react, anyway this was social engineering with unreasonable pressures placed upon the parents and as you said can’t apply contemporary views.
This happens every where there is oppression and what is more oppressive than attempting to remove someones ability to communicate with their ancestors. That may seem hyperbole but remember we are talking about children.
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The ages of the dead illustrate the indiscriminate slaughter that oppressive regimes unleash when confronted. Unfortunately it means nothing
1901 was a totally different time.
Indeed it was, a lack of electronic media suggests that the children were reflecting the true views of the community. To stop talking infront of your children is not an option children will react, anyway this was social engineering with unreasonable pressures placed upon the parents and as you said can’t apply contemporary views.
This happens every where there is oppression and what is more oppressive than attempting to remove someones ability to communicate with their ancestors. That may seem hyperbole but remember we are talking about children.
Edit:
The ages of the dead illustrate the indiscriminate slaughter that oppressive regimes unleash when confronted. Unfortunately it means nothing
Barney
20 Jul 2011
History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soweto_uprising
The article is pure propaganda in my eyes. Polish or not - 12 or 13 year old children do not demonstrate on their own.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soweto_uprising
Barney
20 Jul 2011
Barney
19 Jul 2011
Feedback / PolishForums Motto? :) [149]
I love listening to loopers.........for a time.
Did you ever hear of that Priest who would go round the pubs in Dublin preaching the word of grass? He bothered me in O'Donoghues but was a nice guy.
Speaker's corner
I love listening to loopers.........for a time.
Did you ever hear of that Priest who would go round the pubs in Dublin preaching the word of grass? He bothered me in O'Donoghues but was a nice guy.
Barney
19 Jul 2011
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19 Jul 2011
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19 Jul 2011
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18 Jul 2011
News / Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster? [344]
Pammy was it buy one get one free in the conspiracy shop?
Pammy was it buy one get one free in the conspiracy shop?
Barney
13 Jul 2011
Life / Are there a lot of goths in Poland? [36]
In Britain I would guess not. There was the Ken Russell film with Mrs long legs Amanda Donohoe though.
But I dont know....I like Mr Men Books:)
I wondered if the legendary apostate king of Mercia that is the transmigratory villian of the novel is at all a well known historical figure in Britain.
In Britain I would guess not. There was the Ken Russell film with Mrs long legs Amanda Donohoe though.
But I dont know....I like Mr Men Books:)
Barney
13 Jul 2011
Barney
9 Jul 2011
Life / Double decker bikes are getting popular in Poland? [18]
Yes of course, starting does looks relatively easy though. I would have a go, only in a field or a large padded cell.
"Easy" like a penny farthing? Those things don't look easy, there is a reason they're redundant.
Yes of course, starting does looks relatively easy though. I would have a go, only in a field or a large padded cell.