News / The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package [144]


Seanus, I studied Serbia for years and I graduated on her with honours, if I may mention it. It's more of a love-hate relationship. I do see the full picture, I just see it more realisicly than Crow, or perhaps you. I love Serbia, but I don't like this glorification. There is nothing to glorify, not with Serbia nor with PL nor with NL.

Serbia is a very interesting country, but the likes of Crow should understand that its role was and always will be marginal.


Pls, I graduated about 20 years ago on her and I have been following her ever since. In fact, currently I am part of a small study group to figure out her current stance on EU matters, as I have predicted back then that she wanted to be part of the EEU. And the prediction seems to come true.

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M-G (tiens)

News / The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package [144]


And what exactly has this to do with the predicted "downfall" of the EU (which will not happen, btw)?

Face it, Crow, nobody gives a shyte about Serbia, Poles not, nor does everybody else. Not until they hand over their war criminals to be tried.

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M-G (amazing how everything and everyone somehow somewhere has something to do with Serbia. Gee, for such a backward mudpit it must be a great power of influence in all times - too bad, they keep that power very well hidden)

News / The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package [144]


Do you mean this as a whole or per capita? I know for certain it's not per capita, as the country that pays the most per capita (or at least a part of it) is Flemish Belgium with about 282 per head; the Dutch pay 272 per head and they are second per capita. The UK per capita is on the 8th place. In whole terms Britain pays more, but only 2 billion more than NL does. But that's just because it's a bigger country and with more than 4 times as many ppl in the UK than in NL, only 2 billion more is not that much more. 6 Billion for the UK and 4 for NL.

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Edit: STFU = Stu?

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M-G (always knew it)

News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]

Indeed, my friend, indeed :)

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M-G (now go and get me some wine - been waiting freaking ages for you to serve me some drink)

News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]


That's a very frequent problem on this forum :)

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M-G (watching the Unknown Oddissey)

Travel / Poland from a Persian Tourist's Perspective [269]

I'm actually curious about Iranian tourists.

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M-G (do they exist?)

News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]


I don't think so either. Don't believe the hype :)

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M-G (anyway is glad that he was able to get RR running on his 64 bit machine - been ages)

News / ANTI-POLONISM IN EUROPE [39]


In Poland.

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M-G (they are their own worst enemies)

Off-Topic / Slavic languages - oldest European languages. [12]

Hate to break your stride again, Crow, and I am sure that Slavic languages are old, but what about Greek, Latin, Basque, primitive Irish, West Germanic languages? They all have written accounts that precede the first Slavic written account by hundreds of years, if not thousand years.


True, like the Germanic languages the Slavic languages are derived from the same "mother language" with slight variations due to geographic locations.

However, I read somewhere that Polish uses grammar that comes closest to the ancient Slavic mother language.

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M-G (Slovene, for example has its first written account in 972 while Basque has its first in 300)

Language / Ski Or Ska? - Polish surname endings [44]

I think it does. I asked for a volcano to disrupt airtraffic in Europe and voila.

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M-G (been to Iceland quite a few times)

Language / Ski Or Ska? - Polish surname endings [44]


Not only there. In Western Europe as well. Only if you don't know the name of the father, you can use your mom's maidenname if she doesn't carry her husband's name.

I think the sex-related endings of last names -i and -a are a typical phenomaena in Slavic languaged countries. In Czech they add with every woman -va at her last name, I heard even when it's a foreign celebrity. Jennifer Lopez would become Jennifer Lopezova. :) At least, that's what my Czech and Slovak friends tell me.

I haven't seen it in any of the Germanic languaged countries, with the exception of Iceland where they differenciate between -dottir and -son for a daughter and a son. Can't remember if the last name is also sex-related as where it concerns the composition of it, for example if a girl would take her mom's first name, add "dottir" to it and the son takes his father's first name and add "son" to it, so you would get Peter Svensson, who would be the brother of Ingrid Gudrunsdottier. Indeed, brother and sister can have complete different last names and different from their parents names and even different from their kid's names.

In short: Sven Petersson and Gudrun Monikadottir have two kids, named Peter Svensson and Ingrid Gudrunsdottir and one grandchild: Jacob Petersson. I wouldn't want to be a postman in Iceland :)

As for Jewish names, "Polak", "Cohen" and "Grunberg" are the most common Jewish last names in NL.

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M-G (loves Iceland though)

News / The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package [144]

Hey, good news: Estonia is entering the Euro zone on 1 January 2011. When is Poland going to enter?

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M-G (saddened by the deaths of 103 ppl in the plane crash, but I guess one Polish kid that gets stabbed by coincidence is more important)

History / Anita J. Prazmowska's "The Polish Century" [24]

I will have that snowcone when I will put you on your leash to take you on your afternoon walk. You still have lived up to my prediction.

Recommendations in Polish. Yeah. German, English, French or Dutch, pls.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Anita J. Prazmowska's "The Polish Century" [24]


Hi, my name is 1Jola and I think that everybody who disagrees with me is below me or lying. Some ppl who disagree with you do have educations, you know.

If she is in some lucrative business (as you seem to think that everyone is who states a different opinion than you do), how do you explain the section in which she describes the reasons for the Poles to be the way they are? If it was all meant to put the Poles down, she wouldn't even have bothered to touch that subject now, wouldn't it? It would be much easier for her to confirm the prejudices or to simply leave them out of the dissertation. I know it's hard to realise, but every country, every ppl have their dark sides, yes, that includes Poland and the Polish too.

Well then, show me a historian who is in your opinion completely unbiased and tells the whole truth. Sth tells me I can predict what the person will have to say concerning the subject.

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M-G (has been right so far with his predictions of those two's reactions)

Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

Seanus is right. There are jokes about ppl from other countries galore in the world. Most of them are just the same old jokes with the nationality replaced. For example, I saw a few jokes about Irish which I heard before about Belgians. Heck, I myselft told a lot of jokes about Belgians. And the Belgians make jokes about us. Who gives a shyte?

Example of one that I've heard with many different nationalities:

A German, a Dutchman and a Belgian all have an empty swimming pool and there is no water hose anywhere near, so they can't fill it up and swim. Depressed they sit on the edge of the pool until an esotheric entity, also known as a god, comes floating by and tells the men that if they climb on the highest treadboard, dive down and shout with what they want the pool to be filled, it will be filled with just that. So, the German climbs up, jumps down and shouts: "Beer!" His pool is filled with beer. The Dutchman does the same and shouts "money!" and his pool is filled with money. The Belgisn climbs up, walks to the edge of the treadboard, slips and shouts: "Shyte!" and his pool is filled with shyt.

I've heard this joke also with an Englishman, a Scot and an Irishman; an Italian (wine), a Spaniard (money - as Spanish seem to have a stingy reputation) and a Portugese (shyte). I am sure there is a version with somewhere a Pole in there.

In short; who gives a flying freak? They're just jokes and it's rather childish to take offence of it, imo. And besides, many of them so-called "Polak" jokes are jokes in which the Pole is replaced with a "blonde" as well.

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M-G (did you hear that one about that Belgian who sat on the bottom of a hole? He fell out!)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


Well, the whole apparatus of Nazism and all its ideologies wasn't the monolitic moloch ppl always think it was. There was a little bending of the rules here and there on a local and secondary level, so I guess some slipped through, also Jews, but these were very rarely given a break.


I think Stalin's moustache was cool too. Stalin himself was not cool, but his moustache was. I thought I'd throw in some sarcasm again.

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M-G (hates his bank and wants it to die)

Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles.

if it's off topic, it goes in the bin

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


I guess they could somehow make believe they were German kiddos and simply deny they were Polish. But indeed, this never happened to Jewish babies.


I think he had a cool moustache, though :)

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M-G (likes peanut butter, but hates his bank and wants it to die)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


We all know what happened to the Poles. Nobody has denied it so far. Unlike with the Jews, by the way, as there are plenty of sick ghosts that deny that Jews were ever killed. Anyway, Jews lost about 50 per cent of their ppl and unlike the Poles, this was an attempt to wipe out an entire ppl. "Generalplan Ost for the Slavic Subhumans" was projected to leave at least 4.8 Mln ppl alive, albeit as slaves. And besides, it was nowhere clear that these plans would actually be carried out. By 1952 a lot of things could've happened. For the Jews there was no such plan, they simply had to be killed. All of them. No plan to keep part of them as slaves. Simply wipe them off the face of the Earth. So in that respect, yes, Jews had it worse than the Poles as also, like I said before (and vetala said so as well), Poles had a way of preventing being killed and that was not to interfere in any way with the Jews. At least they had an escape route. For Jews there was no such thing.


lol, just check out the many threads on the topic on this forum. Now, I'm not saying that this here is representative for the entire Polish population and I firmly believe that the vast majority of the Poles are good and decent ppl, but if this forum is to be representative, one would fear the worst. But I know this forum consist for a big part of keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare say the things they say here in the outside world.


Well, other cities have been bombed too. Rotterdam, for example, you know, in that "anti semitic" and "pro-Nazi" country, NL.


Right, it's pure speculation. While the Jewish extermination was not.

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M-G (next time I will spank you, Torq!)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


If you refer to the Holocaust as name for the genocide on Jews, it's indeed a correct term. The Jews were the biggest group to be murdered, naturally they gonna get named first if you talk about Holocaust and all. Nobody ever denied that Poles were being murdered or Gypsies, for that matter. I only named it "Polonocide" within the context if you want to have a seperate term for the murder of Poles. That's why I said you didn't understand what I wrote.

I also said earlier on that Poles and Jews are kinda like the same. They both suffered tremendously and they both cannot stop whinging and whining about it. It's nearly 70 years ago and again, we should heed the words of my Grandmother, a Jewish woman, who saw her own family as well as her in-law family entirely wiped out in the Holocaust: learn from the past, enjoy today and look forward to a happy future, and it's better to never forget and to forgive than to forget and never to forgive. She hardly spoke a word about it. But I've written that so many times, nobody seems to heed this wise advice. This goes for Jews as well as for Poles.


It's not completely true that Poles are forgotten. I think the problem was that right after WW2 Poland disappeared behind the Iron Curtain. If this hadn't been the case, the Polish victims would not have gotten "snowed under". Jews on the other hand, were part of the non-Communists world and got exposure in their suffering. But things are getting better for the Poles, with the arrival of more English languaged material.

But you're right, Poles didn't have it as bad as the Jews. Jews were to be wiped out completely from the start - there was no other way out for them, unlike for the Poles who could get away if they simply did not help Jews.

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M-G (I am historian, by the way, mask, therefore I do know a bit)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


Can you expand on that, pls?

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M-G (I do agree to leave it in the past, but it should never be forgotten and if a reminder is to be considered an attack on PL then I just wonder why that is)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


True. Holocaust is a generic Greek word that has somehow crept into the vocabulary of man. Jews never intended it to be solely for them, but since Zaglada Zydow is kinda hard to pronounce for non-Polish ppl, and Shoah is more exclusively for Hebrew use, the term Holocaust was being used instead to make it immediately clear what was meant - generally the massmurder of a group of ppl, doesn't matter which ppl.


Indeed. All scientific articles start of course with the biggest group, in this case the Jews, and then the rest. This however does not diminish the suffering of those other groups.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


I hardly insult anybody, yet I get insulted plenty of time, because I don't support a racist view. Don't see warnings like this when they do that to me. But ok, I will not call him an idiot anymore, even though he is.


You haven't understood what I said, right?


Will you get a life, pls?

Oh btw, the Jews do have their own term for the Holocaust, Shoah.

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M-G (equal monks, equal caps)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


Thankfully I do not take you seriously.

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M-G (weren't you the idiot that said that truth hurts when it came to intolerant NL? That disqualified you)

careful with the personal insults, please.

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


Ok, I let you off the hook this time, but you do realise that "they" in the way you wrote it, refers directly back to "Jews" you mentioned earlier on? Next time, if you mean a different group, explicitely state that other group as this can come across as confusing.


Yes Seanus, try to stay on topic this time.

:))

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M-G (grin)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]


I wished you would think as much as I do. But anyway, let's examine closely what you said:


Mind the bold sentences. Read them aloud and let them savour a bit. What'd you think? You didn't imply that there was some sort of scheme behind it by Jews? Maybe you didn't meant it like that, but if I were you, I would dearly pay attention to what I was writing.


You're such a freaking moron. You complain all the time how bad Poles have been treated, yet you despise the Jews, because you presume that they do the same as you. So basically you must be disgusted by yourself. Well, I don't blame you for that. It must be very tough to see that a ppl who was nearly wiped of the face of the Earth, tries to remember what happened. Poles do it all the time, but OF COURSE that is acceptible, if the Jews do this, it's not. Take some more medication, you definitively need it.


A different opinion? This constantly whinging and whining about how bad the Poles had it? I think it's time for the Poles to move on. Nothing more, nothing less. Jews should do that too, but I just got tired about the 1200000000th thread concerning Poland, the Jews and the Holocaust. And he should indeed drown himself in his own ****. I can say that, because that's what I do. If you don't like it, get over it.

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M-G (tiens)

History / Thinking of changing Wikipedia's Holocaust article to include genocide of Poles. [78]

...And again a thread about "ahwww look at us, poor Poles, we have been so mistreated in the past, it nearly makes me cry".

Make a freaking new Wiki for "The Polish Holocaust", but there are already many pages about that, so it probably will be marked for deletion soon.


Here we go again...Will you please drown yourself in the toilet pot? Thanks.


...And I always say: oh look, there is another moron who is paranoid enough to think that it's an evil scheme set up by Jews in order to destroy the Poles. Thank God most ppl don't take that drivel not serious anymore.


Which is the correct description. If you try to change it, you are dishonest towards history.


You should really stop drugs, you know.


Because the Holocaust is generally accepted as the Jewish genocide. Just like the term Porajmos stands for the Gypsie genocide. If you think it's necessary to keep nagging about it, invent your own term. Maybe Polonicide would be sth?


Actually, that is not correct. Holocaust = Jewish, Porajmos = Gypsies. Now find your own term. And another mistake you make here: unlike the Jews, the Nazis did not aim at the complete anihilation of the Poles. They were to become slaves. The Jews were from the start until the end destined to be slaughtered, there was no role for them whatsoever, for the Poles there was, humble as it may be, but at least they had a slim chance.

Yet another American kiddo (of Polish descent?) that doesn't know what's going on but gets "Pissed off" by the fact that the Holocaust is Jewish, always was Jewish and always will be Jewish. What the fcuk is wrong with you?

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M-G (tiens)

Genealogy / ARE THERE ANY RECORDS SHOWING IMMIGRANTS LEAVING USA BEGINNING 20THC [9]

I'm sure there are, but ask yourself this question: they left the shythole that was Europe back in the day for a better life in the US. Probably with no proscecution and all. Why the heck would they want to go back to that craphole they fled?

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M-G (thinks the percentage of ppl who went back to Europe is amazingly small)

Off-Topic / CEE - Central European Empire [49]

Ha! The balance in the Cold War was based upon mutual destruction. Well, since the Russians and the Americans are on my side, there can be no fear of mutual destruction. Well, there will be destruction, but only in the CEE! Ha!

The first is already on its way. A little gift from friends, so to say :) We won't say where it will hit, it's a surprise :) We even took a picture of it for you:



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M-G (has a hunch that it will soon be over with CEE)

Off-Topic / CEE - Central European Empire [49]


Hate to spoil your fun, but we do have nifty little devices called Nuclear Missiles, which I recall are not to be found on the territory of the CEE. And I kinda like that fact.

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M-G (guess I will use my free phone call to instruct for a little test ride on CEE soil)

Off-Topic / CEE - Central European Empire [49]

Well, as you may have noticed, I'm currently enjailed by evil Torq and his puppet regime, so I have for now somewhat bigger fish to fry like releasing my ppl and rise up against opression. So we have to postpone the Bantje-Bantje war a little bit, if that is ok with you?

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M-G (we do have American and Russian support though)