History / Polish aristocrats - would be better off if we had Polish magnate families? [69]


Who sold Poland to partitioners? Are you talking about Targowica? Do you know how many members did Targowica have as opposed to how many members did Bar Confederation have? Seriously plk123 you're an utter complete troglodite when it comes to polish history, learn first write later.

Polish nobility by and large served Poland well and its supposed failiure is nothing but a communist myth, Poland fell from power because of nearly 20 years of constant destructive war it had to endure in XVII century.

Polish nobility later was keeping the flame of patriotism alight, the constitution, all the uprisigns, creating national elite during the positivistic work, all are fruits of labor by our nobility, people who more often then not risked their wealth, their lives and the future of their children for the country.

Before you mindlessly parrot communist myths again make even a small effort and try to learn something about the history of your own nation.


Again content removed by moderator you'd know that polish inteligentsia takes its roots in mid XIX century when polish intellectuals started the positivist movement, the future elite of the nation was forged out of small time nobles, economic medium class etc, more then 80% of pre-war inteligntsia was of noble descent.

History / Polish aristocrats - would be better off if we had Polish magnate families? [69]


What aristocratic rebellions?


You mean when they funded Polands schools and universities or when they raised armies to defend her?


Which is why they intermarried so much?

Refrain from talking about polish history mate you're a f*cking idiot.


And so are you for that matter, Poland without its inteligentsia (which is not neccesarily the same as nobility) is a headless chicken.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


Probably not but the point stands, they killed everyone who didnt fit their dream team including Germans.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


To f*ck with your head a bit since you're so stupid.

Jan from Kwidzyń - Teutonic Knight, priest - Pole.
Anselm - Bishop, Teutonic brother - Pole.

There's a lot more, the TO was predominantly german but there were quite a few Poles in it.

Also while TO were the equivalent to medieval Nazis they didnt kill people because someone was German or Polish, they killed people because someone was opposed to them, they killed thousands of Germans as well as Poles.


There were almost no german knights at the battle, the heavy cavalry was composed almost entirely of French, Burgundians and Italians, the battle was fought in a form of a huge joust where knights fought a series of duels which conversly is the only reason why Poles won.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Thats also possible, the point stands that TO nuked an entire city full or Prussians, Poles and Germans.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


Not neccesarily, as with all sieges the towns were flooded with the locals seeking shelter behind city walls, of course inflation of numbers is possible but unlikely since medieval chroniclers if they did inflate numbers went for hundreds of thousands or milions.


Actually it is certain, prior to the Gdańsk massacre they were a minority since Gdańsk was primarily polish/prussian (slavic prussian tribe not kingdon of Prussia Prussians) but they did make up a significant amount of the population, in XV they became a majority.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


You're an idiot, in no way did the Pope officially or unoficially supported the war against Poland, care to provide any proof of your idiotic claims?

Maybe you meant the Prussians, because as far as Poles, the Popes ordered Teutons to give back conquered lands repeatedly so where's your crusade pal?

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

I might try it but today my attitude is sorta influenced by this f*cking heat and next week its gonna be 35 celsjus!

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


No nerves for that, i just cant get my sh*t together to waste so much time.


Given that we have no documents in regards to exact losses or numbers of the belligerents involved (with the exception of the TO losses since they kept a payroll we use as reference) i can't see how wiki can reach any serious consensus.

We also know how many polish knights bought it since its reported by three knight generals who were responsible for such accounting but thats about it.


I'm not accusing or suspecting you of editing, you're no Nathan but the low losses are quite possible, now wounded, these might be high since the battle lasted for nearly 6 hours but dead were few.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Wonder who edited the wikipedia, we know exactly how many knights died since they've been all accounted for, 54 Polish knights.

Also why is it not believable? British losses at Agincourt were around 200 dead, Polish losses were probably 3 times that much, even if we stretch it and say that allies lost 1000 men thats still 24 times less then the TO.


No BB, the stats from Wiki are figures anyone can put in if he feels like it, i still remember when Nathan edited an article to put the sizes of Ukrainian and Polish armies at roughly 10x their real size.


The case was more with TO having to retreat on tired horses ie being slower then their pursuers.

To put in perspective the leisure at which the TO soldiers were slaughtered, out of 205 TO brothers in the battle (senior members of the TO) 203 were killed.

Given that the order had 280 full brothers in total thats about 70% of the ruling elite of a country killed in one battle so the loss ratio is very realistic.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


Actually we know approximately 50 polish knights died, i made up the rest of the losses behind various historical estimates since some infantry and light cav was bound to bite the dust, all in all less then 600 men died on the alliance side.

The losses such as they were came from Teutonic Knights being surrounded and charged by heavy infantry, while their losses were probably 2000-3000 men up to the point of being surrounded once they were, and Jagiełło ordered heavy infantry regiments to attack the ration could very well become 100:1.

Add to this that when fleeing TO had exhausted horses while Poles still had light cavalry that was unused in the battle so anyone trying to bolt from the battle would almost 100% be cought and killed, at least 4000 of those losses were TO infantry who were left unsupported on flat fields against heavy cavalry too.

30:1, 48:1 we wont be sure of the exact ratio but it was significant

Po polsku / Nowa książka wydawnictwa Fronda [13]


Wiara w nadrzędną istotę = Bóg.


A czytałem.


Prywatnie nie jestem specjalnie religijny, wierzący bardzo, nie spotkałem się z publikacjami ateistów którzy pod wpływem nauki straciliby wiarę.

Czytałem np takie wypociny Dawkinsa który powołuje sie na Darwina ale biorąc pod uwagę błędy merytoryczne tego człowieka ciężko go posądzać o inspirację nauką, wszyscy prominentni fizycy są pod wpływem swojej dziedziny głęboko wierzący np.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


Tomassi in your own source claims there was 90.000 Turks, did you even read it?

Po polsku / Nowa książka wydawnictwa Fronda [13]

Po pierwsze sam uprawiasz propagandę średnio subtelnie szkalując Kaczyńskich więc to hipokryzja a po drugie co w tej książce jest jednostronnego? Jak jakiś ateista chce się publikować to to robi, nie widzę powodu żeby każda książka o Bogu zawierała mandatoryjnie pierdolenie ateistów o pietruszce "żeby sprawiedliwie było".


Chyba jednak takich nie ma bo usłyszlibyśmy o ich publikacjach.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

70.000 participants is huge, both armies were among the largest in Europe and both fielded the largest heavy cavalry contingents fielded ever.

Teutonic Knight approximately 20.000 including guests, Poland approximately 24.000.


Rubbish, the 120.000 Ottoman troops was the total amount of troops that entered Moldavia, the 50.000 is the grand total Romanian troops available for mobilisation, the battle was fought between 20.000 allied and 45.000 Turks, Wikipedia inflates the number just like the battles of Dimitr against the Golden Horde which still puts it a solid 5-10 thousand below Grunwald.

Given that Romania was sparsely populated even when compared to relatively underpopulated Poland fielding anything remotely close to the number given by Wikipedia (i assume you use "anyone can edit me" as a source).


Your own source says it was 90.000 Gregor Hunyadi writes extensively about the conflict where the actual battle is between 8-12.000 on Tepes' side and 50.000 Turks, thats still much much lower then Grunwald.

Of course if you're hellbent on quoting editable sources or ones you haven't even read yourself why not quote Tuetonic sources where they claim Poland had 50 million men who overwhelmed the 6 million German knights?:))))

Still Grunwald remains the biggest, the only battles we could argue to get close or match it would be those fought in Spain but even then barely.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


We know it was more then 15000 or 30000, attempts of armchair historians to put their own twists are rather silly, we cant tell whether it was 23.000 or 30.000 TO and 35.000 or 40.000 Allies but the numbers you quote are a bit on the low side.


Rubbish, siege guns were well in use by then also Malbork was completely out of food, there's a lot of reasons why Jagiełło did not capture it but they're all completely political and have a lot with preserving lithuanian power over polish interests.


It was not, Poland could have grabbed all of the TO territories which would make it the most powerfull country in the world overnight, instead Jagiełlo decided on leniency fearing that Poland would become too strong of a partner and marginalize Lithuania.

He was a polish king but a Lithuanian by birth after all.

Heck, Germans wanted to become part of Poland by then, the other options were the yoke of the TO or the oppressive and poor HRE.

History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]


50.000-70.000 participants - by far the biggest medieval battle in Europe.
30.000+ heavy cavalry on both sides - biggest cavalry battle in Europe in the entire period.

Less then 500 losses on the polish side (including about 50 knights) - 24.000 killed and captured on the Teutonic side.

Its the mother of all medieval battles, nowhere before or after these kinds of forces or such an awesome victory was won, in six hours the entire armed forces of a belligerent were snuffed out with the loss of only several hundred men and yeah it is the biggest.


Thats mainly because the TO was wiped from historical record after WW2 due to Germany using it as a propaganda reference in the Nazi period, today most kids in Germany dont know why their army uses a cross for example.

Amusingly enough the Teutonic Order was one of the most ardent opponents of Hitler and quite a few of them went to the concentration camps for refusing to lend Goebbels their voices.

Po polsku / Nowa książka wydawnictwa Fronda [13]


A są tacy? Ja nie słyszałem o naukowcu który poprzez naukę został ateistą, nawet Darwin pod koniec życia stwierdził że ewolucja jest zbyt uporządkowana żeby rządziły nią prawa dzikiej bezdusznej natury.

History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Sean your fence is like a f*cking Great Wall of China, you never get off the bloody thing!

History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]


Blood, lots and lots of blood, sometimes of others sometimes your own but always blood.

Is it moral to kill in the name of peace? No, is it the right thing to do? Sometimes, i know its an anathema to you, the professional fence sitter but sometimes responsibility needs to be taken and hands need to be dirtied.

To quote our foreign minister Józef Beck from directly before WW2:

Ale pokój, jak prawie wszystkie sprawy tego świata, ma swoją cenę, wysoką, ale wymierną. My w Polsce nie znamy pojęcia pokoju za wszelką cenę.

But peace, as with almost all things on this world has its price, high but adequate. We in Poland do not know the notion of peace at any price.

Sometimes Sean life grabs you by the balls and you cant sit on your comfy fence any longer.

History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]


Sometimes it is, sometimes its not, there's quite a lot of examples where war was fought by armies with civilian populations largely left alone.

War is always about killing, not always about murder.

News / New cross war in Warsaw [530]


Its the Presidential Palace not Katyń, the cross had its place there during the mourining period now it needs to be moved, are you trying to start a bloody cult?

Work / From Malaysia and I'm about to study in Poland ...advice please [4]


Easily, you will receive 3200 zł, you can live a comfortable life for 1500 zł which sees you save up 1700zł a month.


Try student forums in Kraków, also e-mail the campus for additional information, if you start now you'll hook up with someone in no time.


Make it 2000 zł, you'll still be able to save at least 1200 zł.

Important part is do you cook for yourself? Eating out twice a week is different then eating out 7 times a week, three times a day, cooking for yourself saves you at least 500zł.

Food / PIZZA & KETCHUP served only in Poland? [159]


Nothing wrong with good ketchup, personally i love Pizza with Heinz or Pudliszki:P

Work / Average monthly salary in Poland is around 1000 PLN (few hundred bucks). [387]


Nope, we dont employ blacks here, Indians are sorta reddish which is also bad, only white people get to work in Poland, only albino people get management jobs.

History / SEE DANGER AHEAD FOR THE KAISER IN POUND. July 24, 1902 [14]


Given that its one of the oldest most powerfull polish cities hardly, also Poznań returned to Poland between 1920-39.


Many times? It was Polish untill the partitions (Something like 800 years) then Germans invaded it, it was in Prussia for 123 years, returned to Poland for 19 years, again German for 5 years and then returned to Poland for 65 years.

So it was a polish city for 865 years out of its 1000 years old existance and Germans invaded it twice so its hardly "a lot of times" most of Poznań is/was also developed by Poles, even under Prussia since it was next to Lwów, Kraków and Warsaw one of the hubs of polish culture.

The city has a couple of dozen of German buildings and thats is, it pisses me off to no end when people claim Germans developed Poznań or made it what it is today when its a 100% Polish city and 100% Polish achievement.


Thats not "Prussian mentality" Poznań was one of the most developed urban hubs of Poland and unlike other cities wars rarely disrupted its social structure, no wonder local society has its sh*t together, it has nothing to do with Prussia or "Prussian mentality" though.

News / Will Komorowski be Poland's worst ever president? [72]

Externally it will be good, he's relatively timid.

Internally we're well and truly f*cked though since PO will let whats left of state owned strategic sectors get picked apart by foreigners.

Feedback / Polishforums on Facebook [60]

There's two kinds of people who will register, foreigners who have something to do with Poland (and they will find this place anyway) and Poles who'll think this is actually a Polish forum, what they'll discover is an anti-polish sh*tstorm in English and just leave, so its a pointless idea really.

News / Komorowski won Poland's presidency vote? [125]


Not really, like i told you a few days back JK is going to win.

News / Komorowski won Poland's presidency vote? [125]


Dont get your hopes up, he still sucks as a politician, he did improve his PR but he remains the same person he was.