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New cross war in Warsaw [530]
??? (Kondzior is scratching his head in befuddlement) Why?
Don't get me wrong, I find this cross situation fairly amusing, don't care one way or the other, but your statement sounds absurd to me.
- Because Poland is a secular country so far (is it anymore?) by history and by it's constitution. And it's not yet been a religious country like e.g. Saudi Arabia. Yesterday I was trying to read the Polish constitution (thanks to my dear friend Google I have English version too) to find some answers and what I found was Art. 53., points 5 and 6. Quote:
5. The freedom to publicly express religion may be limited only by means of statute and only where this is necessary for the defence of State security, public order, health, morals or the freedoms and rights of others.
6. No one shall be compelled to participate or not participate in religious practices.Unquote. ;)
So for me this counts as someone's religious practises invading private and/or public space without any permission (in fact the Scouts that put this cross should have a building permission for erecting any object permanently attached to the ground I think, so it is illegal!). Even the Church officials condemned the behaviour of those people "defending" the cross.
Seeing the footage from yesterday's brawl in Warsaw, I think there is absolutely no difference between those "cross defenders" and the Taliban. Same attitude, same behaviour, infatuation and fanatism. It is not even about religion with these people.
Kondzior, I am not amused anymore by this - it was amusing, but when the police and gov't backed down before those sick
crusaders - that is not funny anymore. It is the very middle of Europe and I wouldn't expect such aftermaths...
What got me stumped was "public representative space should be free from any religious symbols". It is rather broad statement and I do not see any logic behind it. Unless one is fanatical atheist.
- Not fanatical, not even close! :) My view was just fair and not striving into any direction. Not any religion supported by the country's government or representative (presidential palace is such a thing). I'd object to making the tragic plane crash a martyrdom or using it for political reasons as it is being done now. That is sick, wrong and pathetic. Someone there doesn't have real political leverage and arguments so they use this. And those people changing shifts at the cross, they must realy miss the comunist times when there were things to defend, protect and fight with the police. Now there is not much to fight about in these methods, so they created a silly reason. Why, you think it was good that this cross was put there and made some people divided again (like the Wawel burial etc.) and fight over stupid reasons, Kondzior?
