citizen67
25 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
No, but it was incredibly sensible, unlike the French.
No, but it was incredibly sensible, unlike the French.
citizen67
24 Feb 2013
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]
What wer the relative Incomes per Head before the Collapse of the The Iron Curtain? I think you find that Poland was already a much richer country than Ukraine before the the collapse of Communism.
What wer the relative Incomes per Head before the Collapse of the The Iron Curtain? I think you find that Poland was already a much richer country than Ukraine before the the collapse of Communism.
citizen67
20 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
and surely all the conquered people, such the Baltic states, the Ukrainians, the Georgians would hav joined in on the allies'/liberators side as well? Finland could hav got back it's stolen land, the Balts, their freedom, Ukraine could be a free and independent country, so on,
Do you know how close Churchill was to winning this battle? 6 shells, The Turkish forces wer down to their last 6 shells, when the anglo-French forces called a halt and retreat. 6 shells.
If the Anglo-french had carried on fighting another 5-15 minutes Gallipoli would be proclaimed a great victory these days.
I'd say 9 out of 10 who served alongside the Poles would probably have gone along with Anders too)...Realistically, one cannot expect however that any victory over the Soviets would have come lightly. Probably tens of thousands of American and British dead....
and surely all the conquered people, such the Baltic states, the Ukrainians, the Georgians would hav joined in on the allies'/liberators side as well? Finland could hav got back it's stolen land, the Balts, their freedom, Ukraine could be a free and independent country, so on,
Google 'Gallipoli, Churchill, war crime' and see what others have to say about this man... ;)
Do you know how close Churchill was to winning this battle? 6 shells, The Turkish forces wer down to their last 6 shells, when the anglo-French forces called a halt and retreat. 6 shells.
If the Anglo-french had carried on fighting another 5-15 minutes Gallipoli would be proclaimed a great victory these days.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
You kidding aren't you? Britain, for example, was still using as its main battle rifle, a rifle from before WWI, a rifle first adopted by the British Army in 1888! The British wer still using the same Helmet they used in WWI, they weren't prepared for War at all. They desperately kept trying to buy time in order to giv themselves enough time to re-arm when they thought in 1936, War with Hitler was inevitable, just 3 years later they wer at War, barely ready. No, the Germans had the best and latest equipment.
You wouldn't find many examples where German weaponry/tech was the most advanced in 1939...
You kidding aren't you? Britain, for example, was still using as its main battle rifle, a rifle from before WWI, a rifle first adopted by the British Army in 1888! The British wer still using the same Helmet they used in WWI, they weren't prepared for War at all. They desperately kept trying to buy time in order to giv themselves enough time to re-arm when they thought in 1936, War with Hitler was inevitable, just 3 years later they wer at War, barely ready. No, the Germans had the best and latest equipment.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Of course it does.
No, i dont think so.
Of course it does.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
It was a treaty to frighten Hitler, and it worked for a bit until he got Stalin's co-operation to invade Poland and divide it up.
the key factor was that no one was able to face the Germans , one on one back then and even if the Brits and'or French, tried to help Poland, they would be slaughtered just like anyone else. The mistake they made was to promise help that was never realistic but obviously expected.
It was a treaty to frighten Hitler, and it worked for a bit until he got Stalin's co-operation to invade Poland and divide it up.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
I think you hav misunderstood something can you explain where the contradiction is?
citizen67: COMMUNISM WAS A DISASTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!! EVEN FOR THE ANIMALS!!!!!!But YOU said and i quote citizen67: COMMUNIST = WORLD'S WORST POLLUTERS!!!!!!!!!Now youre saying something else, something different just for the sake or arguing.
I think you hav misunderstood something can you explain where the contradiction is?
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Who's Ally? Who was Stalin allied to before he was "Allied" with us? HITLER.Stalin was Hitler most important ally, without Stalin, Hitler couldn't hav started WWII, Hitler's other allies wer, in some cases, a Burden, Mussolini for example.When the Italians cocked-up in Northern Africa, Hitler had to send his troops, and when the Italians cock-up in invading Greece Germany again had to send troops to sort out their mess, meaning hitler had to delay it's attack on the Soviet Union by a month, imagine if they turned up in Moscow one month earlier befor the Winter had kicked in? Imagine. History would be so different.
Of course they were friends and allies of both Britain and the US to deny that is to falsify history.
Who's Ally? Who was Stalin allied to before he was "Allied" with us? HITLER.Stalin was Hitler most important ally, without Stalin, Hitler couldn't hav started WWII, Hitler's other allies wer, in some cases, a Burden, Mussolini for example.When the Italians cocked-up in Northern Africa, Hitler had to send his troops, and when the Italians cock-up in invading Greece Germany again had to send troops to sort out their mess, meaning hitler had to delay it's attack on the Soviet Union by a month, imagine if they turned up in Moscow one month earlier befor the Winter had kicked in? Imagine. History would be so different.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
I didn't learn about this until I was 21, Stalin was never taught in our schools and was never represented on our Television, it was just Hitler. Most of Labour Party wer pro-Soviet and secretly worshiped Stalin, and they ran the education system and the TV after the War and still do so right up to now.
Yeah The western allies knew that as well so why did they send POWs and others back to the Soviet Union to be murdered?
I didn't learn about this until I was 21, Stalin was never taught in our schools and was never represented on our Television, it was just Hitler. Most of Labour Party wer pro-Soviet and secretly worshiped Stalin, and they ran the education system and the TV after the War and still do so right up to now.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
The Communist wer never our friends they just wanted to stab us in the back. They wer totally insincere in all of their actions, their joint invasion and stitching up of Little Poland is just one example!!!!
Churchill and the British may have wanted to stab their communist friends in the back but calmer heads prevailed.
The Communist wer never our friends they just wanted to stab us in the back. They wer totally insincere in all of their actions, their joint invasion and stitching up of Little Poland is just one example!!!!
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Maybe the West did over estimate the power of the Soviet Union, but i remember the shock of reading about Stalin and his absolute ruthlessness, and cruelty and his total disdain for the value of the human Lives he had conquered.
Barney (btw. most Brits on PF), I regret to report, you've been brainwashed by the communist propaganda machine and you believe in the invincibility of the great Soviet Union. What you say is based on your beliefs and not on facts. None of it can be proved anymore so let's agree to disagree. Whatever will be said from now on, will be a pure waste of time for both of us.
Maybe the West did over estimate the power of the Soviet Union, but i remember the shock of reading about Stalin and his absolute ruthlessness, and cruelty and his total disdain for the value of the human Lives he had conquered.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Rubbish is what you put into your rivers:
"...Many of the world's leading environmental agencies have long
centered the focus of their attention on the continued pollution
of the Danube River. Yet it was only with the fall of the East's
communist regimes that scientists and government officials began
to realize the seriousness of the environmental havoc which the
destructive industrial policies of the former communist regimes
had wrought on the Danubian watershed. Industrial pollution is
especially high on the Danube because the former communist
masters in Eastern and Central Europe sought lucrative short-term
production gahls, often at the price of environmental
degradation."
Cleaning up After Communism
When the Iron Curtain finally collapsed in November 1989, the world saw for the first time the great environmental cost of decades of communist rule in Central and Eastern Europe
rinr.fsu.edu/fallwinter99/features/sb_cleaningup.html
Why Socialism Causes Pollution
fee.org/the_freeman/detail/why-socialism-causes-pollution#axzz2LM2KB4Ir
YOU KILLED THE ARAL SEA!!!!
"...Formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world with an area of 68,000 square kilometres (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea has been steadily shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects. By 2007, it had declined to 10% of its original size, splitting into four lakes - the North Aral Sea, the eastern and western basins of the once far larger South Aral Sea and one smaller lake between North and South Aral Seas.[4] By 2009, the southeastern lake had disappeared and the southwestern lake retreated to a thin strip at the extreme west of the former southern sea"
IDIOTS!!!
COMMUNISM WAS A DISASTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!! EVEN FOR THE ANIMALS!!!!!!
The Americans wer naive, not malicious!
What? and the your Beloved Soviet Union had respect for other countries right to self-determination? and they respected Human Rights?
? so that makes Stalin and your Beloved Soviet Union's behaviour alright?
Rubbish, in terms of population the US has by far been the worst polluter for quite a while now.
Rubbish is what you put into your rivers:
"...Many of the world's leading environmental agencies have long
centered the focus of their attention on the continued pollution
of the Danube River. Yet it was only with the fall of the East's
communist regimes that scientists and government officials began
to realize the seriousness of the environmental havoc which the
destructive industrial policies of the former communist regimes
had wrought on the Danubian watershed. Industrial pollution is
especially high on the Danube because the former communist
masters in Eastern and Central Europe sought lucrative short-term
production gahls, often at the price of environmental
degradation."
Cleaning up After Communism
When the Iron Curtain finally collapsed in November 1989, the world saw for the first time the great environmental cost of decades of communist rule in Central and Eastern Europe
rinr.fsu.edu/fallwinter99/features/sb_cleaningup.html
Why Socialism Causes Pollution
fee.org/the_freeman/detail/why-socialism-causes-pollution#axzz2LM2KB4Ir
YOU KILLED THE ARAL SEA!!!!
"...Formerly one of the four largest lakes in the world with an area of 68,000 square kilometres (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea has been steadily shrinking since the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects. By 2007, it had declined to 10% of its original size, splitting into four lakes - the North Aral Sea, the eastern and western basins of the once far larger South Aral Sea and one smaller lake between North and South Aral Seas.[4] By 2009, the southeastern lake had disappeared and the southwestern lake retreated to a thin strip at the extreme west of the former southern sea"
IDIOTS!!!
COMMUNISM WAS A DISASTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!! EVEN FOR THE ANIMALS!!!!!!
Pretty well true. Stalin and the Americans had it sewn up between them. The UK, France, Poland etc could not have done a thing.
The Americans wer naive, not malicious!
ha yeah right.
What? and the your Beloved Soviet Union had respect for other countries right to self-determination? and they respected Human Rights?
and Germany were fighting for what exactly? and what did GB have exactly - something about the sun never setting, i bet you love that though. You are biased beyond belief.Patriotic racist fool.
? so that makes Stalin and your Beloved Soviet Union's behaviour alright?
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
The opposit to your Communism was our Democracy combined with Freedom, Human Rights and respect for other countries. The Soviet Union wer Imperialist Expansionists, they wanted to rule the World.
No, i mean capitalism as opposed to communism.
The opposit to your Communism was our Democracy combined with Freedom, Human Rights and respect for other countries. The Soviet Union wer Imperialist Expansionists, they wanted to rule the World.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Capitalist? You mean DEMOCRATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Communist countries had industries as well, so used up natural resources, and they wer the World's worst polluters. The Soviet Union had one factory in it's Polar circle that pumped more sulphur into the atmosphere than did the whole of Italy! COMMUNIST = WORLD'S WORST POLLUTERS!!!!!!!!!
It was the Communists that stab everybody in the Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stalin was hoping that by "Giving up" Austria the Allies (The Real Allies) would giv up Germany, as he suggested.
All those communist countries as capitalist? jeeze we would have hardly any natural resources left at all by now.
Capitalist? You mean DEMOCRATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Communist countries had industries as well, so used up natural resources, and they wer the World's worst polluters. The Soviet Union had one factory in it's Polar circle that pumped more sulphur into the atmosphere than did the whole of Italy! COMMUNIST = WORLD'S WORST POLLUTERS!!!!!!!!!
Churchill and the British may have wanted to stab their communist friends in the back but calmer heads prevailed.
It was the Communists that stab everybody in the Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The soviets did demonstrate a degree of flexibility in stopping when they did and giving up a large part of Berlin and their withdrawal from Austria.
Stalin was hoping that by "Giving up" Austria the Allies (The Real Allies) would giv up Germany, as he suggested.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
What are talking about?
Citizen67,Your free to have your views and express them,what you're not allowed to do is insult a whole people.of any Nationality.You have freedom of speech,not freedom of abuse.
What are talking about?
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
What's that sinister sounding maxim about?
What's that sinister sounding maxim about?
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
I agree with that. The Soviet Union (?) Empire has a lot to answer for. A whole wasted Century, they dragged Europe back and stop any real development in the conquered countries of their eastern European Empire, forced the West to spend £billions and £Billions of £'s spending on defense and armies and fighting proxy Wars, propping up 3rd Dictators who they hated, wasted our energy, our talent, our chance. Imagin if the Patton /Churchill plan had been carried through, we would had hav 60-65 years of Peace, no Korean War, No Vietnam war, No Mao, No Kim Il Sung, No Pol Pot, No Enver hoxha, No Ceausescu, No Derg, no famine in Ethiopia, no famine in North Korea, No civil Wars in Mozambique, No civil War in Angola, so much misery, the whole history of the Soviet Union is about suffering, misery, betrayal, failure, stupidity and the meglomania of the Ruling Elite.
I agree with that. The Soviet Union (?) Empire has a lot to answer for. A whole wasted Century, they dragged Europe back and stop any real development in the conquered countries of their eastern European Empire, forced the West to spend £billions and £Billions of £'s spending on defense and armies and fighting proxy Wars, propping up 3rd Dictators who they hated, wasted our energy, our talent, our chance. Imagin if the Patton /Churchill plan had been carried through, we would had hav 60-65 years of Peace, no Korean War, No Vietnam war, No Mao, No Kim Il Sung, No Pol Pot, No Enver hoxha, No Ceausescu, No Derg, no famine in Ethiopia, no famine in North Korea, No civil Wars in Mozambique, No civil War in Angola, so much misery, the whole history of the Soviet Union is about suffering, misery, betrayal, failure, stupidity and the meglomania of the Ruling Elite.
citizen67
19 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Rubbish. They didn't want or start the War. All these posts sound very much like what Communist would say, don't you think you hav been indoctrinated? all this talk of betrayal and money, and stealing someone's gold, sounds just like the gibberish Communists used to sprout..
So, you mugs hav just been repeating Nazi propaganda from 73 years ago.
I am only trying to point out that USA used Europe to become the new empire, the war served really good.
Rubbish. They didn't want or start the War. All these posts sound very much like what Communist would say, don't you think you hav been indoctrinated? all this talk of betrayal and money, and stealing someone's gold, sounds just like the gibberish Communists used to sprout..
Hi Goofy, this was actualy a Nazi propaganda poster,
So, you mugs hav just been repeating Nazi propaganda from 73 years ago.
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Surely, Benny Hill was early 1970's? 40 years ago?
and everybody here thought he was crap.
erm,Benny hill hasnt been shown in this country for atleast 25 years now,however I understand its still very popular in the US....hhmmm.
Surely, Benny Hill was early 1970's? 40 years ago?
and everybody here thought he was crap.
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
What? All 27 of them?!!!!!!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
Brits in the waffen ss
What? All 27 of them?!!!!!!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
You "dislike" Stalin and the Soviets? You should hate them, do you know how many Poles they killed? and what they did to your country?
I dislike Stalin and Soviets
You "dislike" Stalin and the Soviets? You should hate them, do you know how many Poles they killed? and what they did to your country?
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
No, Germans and Russians hav got Polish Blood on their Hands. I don't think a single Polish person was killed by British or French hands.
Poland was jointly invaded by Hitler and Stalin, Stalin was meant to invade on the same day, but held back to make it look like he wasn't invading, but merely going into Poland to protect the last bit from further invasion.
therefore vrits and french have Polish blood on their hands for more than 67 years now...
No, Germans and Russians hav got Polish Blood on their Hands. I don't think a single Polish person was killed by British or French hands.
Poland was jointly invaded by Hitler and Stalin, Stalin was meant to invade on the same day, but held back to make it look like he wasn't invading, but merely going into Poland to protect the last bit from further invasion.
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
How could they help Poland? are you a little baby nation that always need an adult nation to look after you? probably our army was no bigger than yours or well armed, and we are a long way away from Poland unlike your friends the Russians, why didn't you ask them for help?.
When was that cartoon printed?
My grandma remembers how her family was waiting for the British and French to come in and help Poland with the invadors, nobody came,
How could they help Poland? are you a little baby nation that always need an adult nation to look after you? probably our army was no bigger than yours or well armed, and we are a long way away from Poland unlike your friends the Russians, why didn't you ask them for help?.
When was that cartoon printed?
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]
Yeah, evil selfish people!!!! Helping Poland is the only important thing in Life!
That's just Communist mis-information to make you hate and resent the West.
What? and turn spain into just another Soviet Province? The Spanish wer lucky that the Stalinists didn't Win!
EDIT: I'm no history expert, but from what I recall nobody joined the war with the sole intention of "helping" Poland. They were all in it for themselves.
Yeah, evil selfish people!!!! Helping Poland is the only important thing in Life!
Churchill also sold out Poland as was evidenced during the various Big 3 negotiations
That's just Communist mis-information to make you hate and resent the West.
...... and if more support was given to the Spanish Republic, Hitler would never have invaded Poland.
What? and turn spain into just another Soviet Province? The Spanish wer lucky that the Stalinists didn't Win!
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - Battle of Britain and Poles [104]
Very good.
You are, indeed, the Voice of Reason.
You must have heard; next thing you'll be telling us that you haven't heard how Britain sold Poland to the Soviets for three pound fifty and a packet of crisps!
Very good.
Well, it's obvious Poland single handedly won the war, it was our fault they got invaded, they single handedly rescued UK from bankruptcy and they are the single most, bestest, most perfectest, most wonderful people in the world.
You are, indeed, the Voice of Reason.
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - Battle of Britain and Poles [104]
North East.
Thats the one up there in North West Europe somewhere.
North East.
citizen67
18 Feb 2013
History / WWII - Battle of Britain and Poles [104]
very good post pretty much sums up what Poles sound like to the rest of the World. :o)
Well actually i reckon the war was won by the Polish, i think because of the Polish the Germans crumbled, some how i expect, the Polish managed to conrol the Russian weather to stop Hitlers advance.
very good post pretty much sums up what Poles sound like to the rest of the World. :o)
citizen67
17 Feb 2013
UK, Ireland / Websites for Poles to benefit from Britain! [210]
edit to clarify, people with British passport, whether they are black, brown Yellow Mixed race or Foreign get counted as "British". these riots wer Black in origin with parasitical hangers-on and wanna-bes and losers joining in, lots of them foreigners, Albanians etc.
44 nationalities wer involved!
edit, to clarify, that was 3rd in foreign born people arrested...the totals for non British people arrested is *only* 13 % of all arrested.
edit to clarify, people with British passport, whether they are black, brown Yellow Mixed race or Foreign get counted as "British". these riots wer Black in origin with parasitical hangers-on and wanna-bes and losers joining in, lots of them foreigners, Albanians etc.
44 nationalities wer involved!
citizen67
17 Feb 2013
UK, Ireland / Many Polish in England don't study or work. How is it possible? [39]
No, it was to stop them going back to Communism. We couldn't believ it was over, one of the most oppressiv and ruthless and aggressively expansionist ideologies in History and they just gave up, no way wer they going back!
Tory: I share your opinion 100%. Those countries were not ready but I believe they were accepted only so western companies would go there very easily because of cheap labor and thus destroying jobs in the west.
No, it was to stop them going back to Communism. We couldn't believ it was over, one of the most oppressiv and ruthless and aggressively expansionist ideologies in History and they just gave up, no way wer they going back!