Law / how to get marriage with polish girl with non-EU [28]


A woman can be extremely happy without a man in her life, what does she need a man for???
I miss my late husband as a person, I would equally miss a female that I had lost, I don't miss having a man in my life, I can provide for the children and I am happy as a single woman.


No one is disputing that partners should be faithful to each other, obey doesn't have the same meaning though.

Law / how to get marriage with polish girl with non-EU [28]


Yes you see and hear it all the time in Britain (and America). No women is ever good enough for them!! They think they can pick through women of different races like sweets in a shop. They are never satisfied even if they get someone from another race they're soon unhappy.


Very true! They never ask themselves why all their relationships fail!!!

Law / how to get marriage with polish girl with non-EU [28]


He doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of Polish ladies,don't know why? I certainly wouldn't take what he says as being the gospel truth.

There is something about coolzero and kash that I wouldn't trust either. They seem to be setting themselves up experts on Polish ladies in quite a creepy way. I can't really explain what i feel about them but it's not a good feeling.


You're probably correct there :)

Law / how to get marriage with polish girl with non-EU [28]


People from all nationalities sell women to Arabs (and other races), ladies of all nationalities prostitute themselves to Arabs.You should be asking why Arabs and other races of men 'buy' women, if men didn't buy women there would NO MARKET for prostitution! Look to your own gender to solve that problem!!

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My mum was very happily married for over 50 years and she never 'obeyed' dad in her life. If mum and dad had any problems they would sit and discuss the problem and come to a mutual compromise about what should be done.

I was married for 14 years ( I was widowed) very happily and we conducted our marriage in exactly the same way. I've had two relationships since my husband died and both failed partly because the men involved thought they could tell me how to behave. Men have to realise that they have no authority over women, relationships have to be based on mutual agreement. Times have changed and women are no longer dependent on men economically or socially.

Law / how to get marriage with polish girl with non-EU [28]


Prostitution occurs in all Muslim countries, it's not openly discussed but it still occurs. Latin america is more honest about it's social problems.


Why does a woman have to 'obey' her husband? men do not have any jurisdiction over women's behaviour. What ever happened to a husband and wife sitting down and reaching compromises about acceptable behaviour?


I don't personally agree with this statement but I would say that Wulkan probably knows far more about Polish ladies than you, the OP (or me) given that he is Polish.

If the OP and his girlfriend wish to marry that's their choice however they owe it to their parents to sit down and say that they wish to marry and hope for parental support, they may not get this but at least the couple have behaved properly. I would be highly suspicious if a boyfriend/girlfriend didn't introduce me to their parents.

UK, Ireland / Modern day slavery in the UK [36]


I don't know how they will react but if you go and explain their rights to them at least they have the chance to move to a better situation.

voa.gov.uk site gives information on fair rents for all kinds housing including people who are agricultural workers. There may be some kind of publication in Polish that could help.

Love / Do Polish Men frown upon women who do not have a higher education? [7]

Some Poles value education, some don't. Your boyfriend may have been stressed about his final year at university and not appreciated your humour; I would not make any judgments about him at this point in time.

Whatever happens don't undervalue yourself. If you are hardworking and honest you are as good as anyone and better than some!!! An interest in life and the world is a greater sign of intelligence than a BSc!!

Love / Cannot get married as a catholic in Poland if I don't have sacraments - No kids without Church marriage [9]


This is absolutely true, my Dad married a non Christian, this was all he had to do; it didn't take very long for permission to come through.

There is no guarantee that any children you have will become committed Catholics; there are six of us offspring and non of us had any belief in the religion.


Stick to your guns about a small wedding! Explain that the money for a large wedding could be much better used on a deposit for a house. There are many other uses for it if you already have a house.


People are very generous but with the current economic situation it's better to play safe.
My brothers and sisters (and myself) had very small weddings but they were all beautiful.

Love / Why should I support my partners sister and boyfriend? [23]

You have done your best to help these people, they are users, dump them!
Concentrate on your girlfriend and the forthcoming child.
You may find your relationship improves without the influence of these people.
Word of advice, don't get caught up in the heavy drinking, vodka loving set, leads to problems.

UK, Ireland / Wish to adopt a newborn baby from Poland (we live in the UK) [7]

Why a Polish child, there are plenty of children who need families in the British system? There are many slightly older or mixed race children who are desperate for a good home.

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]

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Glad I'm not the only one!!!!
Yeah I am proud of them especially my only girl who has had to cope with 5 brothers!!! poor thing.
At least I had sisters as well as brothers growing up!

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]


Yes I do know about them, the ex claimed them for the twins until last week. Fatboy couldn't be arsed to work! Quite frankly I doubt I'd be eligible now.

My first 4 children were all born in the early/mid 80's and the criteria for help was very strict until about 2003 when tax credits came in, three of them were at medical school by then, I was classed as earning too much for the other 3 and anyway mum and sister helped with child care so it wouldn't have been exactly ethical to claim the Child Care credits. I also spent time in India and Canada so no help there,

I'm old for PF (LOL), I had the first four very young but I'm still 50 soon!

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]


Well hopefully they can sort themselves out after reading this and up the payments to the other child?
I don't know exactly why the OP gets nothing? I tend to think if they were real baddies they'd be over here because the CSA only chases a few show cases for payment


That is unbelievable!!!!! It's criminal, my mum and dad brought up 6 kids on no more than their wages and the standard child benefit! and they had my two grand mother's to support too!!

I've done the same myself with 6 kids, child benefit the only handout!
Don't get me wrong, I would never see someone starve but that's not right.

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]

Apparently there is a fine line between who does and who does not get help, the OP mentions losing her benefits when she married? Maybe if they can sort out the payments especially the back child benefit they will be able to significantly increase their payments to the child in Poland.


Apparently it can still be tricky in rural areas. Contraception isn't 100% reliable even when you can get it!


Hardly a rational or logical statement? You think he has done all these things and they do appear insensitive but you don't know what really happened and why, so surely you should advise or comment with some caution??? The ex wife does not appear entirely innocent but you don't criticise her??


That hasn't stopped you and Dominic B bullying her in a most vile way, suggesting she was being deliberately mean to the child, generally carrying on as if you were Francis Galton etc.. but hey if it makes you feel an adequate man no doubt you'll justify it!!

No doubt you'll also feel free to continue your libel of decent people in Britain, who work far harder than you boast about doing. Again stops you feeling inadequate does it?

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]


To be fair it is much easier for me than the OP, good job and lovely big extended family to help with child care so I could always support my children, the hard time was putting the older kids through university while paying child support for the twins. Plus the situation only lasted four years, they are back with me permanently as of Wednesday!!! :):):):)


Yes I tend to agree because she's in an awful position and only the two Poles know the real story. If she really loves this man she must be in an absolute turmoil! I sort of have a little sympathy for the man because it was apparently a forced first wedding and it must be hell away from his child, I hated it when the boys go back to their Dad's for 4 nights a week!! but the boys did have a right to sort the residency their own way.

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]


Would you consider engaging your brain before hitting the keyboard???
You don't seem to object to Dominic B using a very nasty bit of Anglo Saxon against the OP, yet more double standards on your behalf.

You have offered no constructive advice to the OP, just come up with totally impractical suggestions as to how they might earn money. It's obvious that the husband cannot just up and off round Europe grape picking, that won't feed any of the 4 kids and it will just make it more difficult for the OP to work.

Can't you understand that there are difficulties in obtaining extra work and also child care for the OP's children, it's not exactly rocket science, are you being deliberately obtuse???

You appear to be using this thread to bully some woman who is merely trying to work out how to resolve a very difficult situation, if you have issues with the Irish or with women , sort it out yourself, don't bully someone who seems fairly sincere in her wish to sort her problems and has had the guts to admit she and her husband have made mistakes!

We have no reason to doubt her version of events,she need not have admitted to any of their mistakes.
No doubt the Polish woman feels aggrieved that her ex has remarried but that is no excuse for her to mess her son's head up and alienate him from his father, she's the one who's using the child as a pawn!! At least be be consistent in your criticisms and see that all parties are guilty of some inadvisable behaviour.

You have chosen to twist everything the OP has written for your own purposes, whatever they may be? Makes you feel like a 'big man' to bully people and dictate how they should live,does it?

You need to grow up and leave that narrow little life of yours and maybe you would understand that Polish woman are not always poor little victims nor are non Poles all evil. You also need to learn that just because someone isn't earning a mint in a cushy job does not automatically make them lazy or feckless.

As for writing off the population of Shropshire/Britain as layabouts who don't want to work, you are talking out off your anus, there are very many fine people in both county and country who actually contribute to society.Maybe you are so rude about Britain because you failed to achieve anything here?


Well if this is true it's a pity you seemed to have learned nothing from it, people are fallible, Poles included.

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]


No much use if he's in Dublin, travelling expenses will eat up the wages Doh????


Well if she's rural that's not going to happen, see above plus who's going to take care of the children while she works and he's doing extra on 'the farm'!


and where does he get the time and money to study for the certificates!


You arrogant ******, you boast openly on here about your short working hours!!
How dare you say that all British people have that mentality, there are some wasters just as there are in Poland, India, USA and quite a few other countries but there are many men and women who walk the streets looking for work every day.

A lot of the problems can also be laid on the Labour government who made it quite uneconomic to work in certain certain circumstances but people still try to work.

You have no idea what real life is like, try telling that crap to some of the kids I work with. We now have social problems that will take generations to solve but many British people still do their best!

What do you do, **** off to Poland and have it cushdi!!! You are a f-----king disgrace gobbing off like that!
You know **** and I sincerely hope you never have children!
You have contributed nothing of any value to this thread, just bullied a woman who's trying to solve a mess.
I can't see you being told whether or not you can have kids, you don't seem to care about what the mother is doing to her kid with the mind games! Both parties have made mistakes but your contribution isn't helping.

You might think you own the forum but you don't and rules apply to you too!
Get yourself down Telford and sprout your vile rubbish to both the Poles and Brits here and see if you get of the floor in under 10 mins!

Easy to be a bully in cyber space not so easy in poor areas of any country.
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UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]

I appreciate that you are not coming from a position of ignorance and that it's not been easy in your situation, but I've been in the opposite situation cos my well meaning families fixed me up with a second partner some years after my husband's death. The result was twins and we share residency but I have to pay maintenance because until sept they technically spend a few more hours with him and it hasn't been easy at times to find the money , though luckily i always did. I do know that the two Poles in this post have both made mistakes and are still battling everything out but Delphiandoamine and dominic B have no right to go at the Irish lady herself, she 's trying to do her best and concedes she's made mistakes.


True but you have to find a fair bit of money to get over here and not an easy decision even for a lapsed catholic, e

specially with a Polish partner and Irish parents!!
I am lucky to be strong enough to stand up to my family and in laws in a row but it might be harder for her! and we both know abortion is a contentious issue!

UK, Ireland / Advice on child support (Irish with my Polish husband) [106]

There appears to be a great deal of ignorance and misunderstanding from the posters in this thread. No one is questioning the need to provide maintenance for the child in Poland, the Irish lady concedes that 150PLN is an inadequate payment for the child and states that they intend to increase the payment but it's quite apparent that they cannot afford the 1000PLN that the Polish courts will probably suggest and the Polish mother suddenly wants.

It's obvious that a couple of the posters who are being so obnoxious have no real idea what it's like to be a minimum wage earner in the Republic of Ireland or even in Britain. It's very easy to be critical from your comfortable little lives as expatriates, not so easy to put forward real solutions, you need to try and live in the 'real' world before you are so rude to this woman.

The cost of living in Ireland is considerably higher than either Poland or Britain, there is high unemployment and child care facilities/welfare payments are not easily come by.The wages in Ireland do not cover the cost of living in many cases and there is not much of a safety net, 350PLN may be peanuts to some posters but it's not to a couple in their situation!

Contraception and abortion are not easily available in Ireland so it's pointless to preach about having another child, that may have been an accident!!

If this couple were truly bad they would be either living on the dole or have legged it to Britain where maintenance payments are often not enforced!

Delphiandomine
Instead of criticising, why don't you send the name of your mate in Ireland who will employ people on the side!
Also the names of a few oil rigs too, maybe a few pubs for the lady. If oil rig jobs were that easy to get, half of Shropshire would be lining up for them and unemployment in Shropshire would be considerably less. The child in Poland is not starving, equally the couple in Ireland are hardly leading a 'good life'. Put your money where your rather big gob is give the guy a few contacts!

I tend to agree with Bill, many Poles that I worked with refused to pay maintenance and I know of many Polish women who deliberately made up various 'things' their children 'needed' but somehow the extra money often went on vodka! I also have heard of quite a few women who deliberately got pregnant to live off money from the father rather than work. Some of the posters need to mix with ordinary working class Poles, it's not all good! Five years in a factory with Poles opened my eyes! instead of having a go at this couple come and challenge some of the big boys down in Telford or even in Lodz!!! I know a few equally shifty males and females there too! I doubt you'd be so vociferous then!!

Dominic B
Some democrat eh???? get back to the USA and work with the underclasses there if you are so left wing.
Before you answer me. I've done plenty of work in India and work in special needs in the UK.
God save us from white liberals and champagne socialists!!!

To the Irish lady, hope you can manage a reasonable settlement for your husband's ex and that you get to meet his child.

I note no one seems to be looking at the Polish woman's behaviour, not exactly good mothering skills to alienate father and child, seems like sour grapes that the ex husband has found a new wife!!!!

Life / Temperament of Poles - my observations [23]


I don't know which industry you work in but in my experience Poles are good team workers on a production line. Providing you explain the process clearly, Polish women are especially good at keeping an assembly line/food production going. They are also very efficient packers. The men are good in both departments too.

Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]

I actually meant the tried and tested vaccines usually given in childhood but I should have made myself clearer, my bad.
Definitely something to think about here, especially with the viral illnesses, some are useless and little more than money making schemes.

Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]


Less often than you'd think, especially if the remedy has plant extracts. Herbal remedies have been effective for centuries as I said before many modern medicines are analogues of plants anyway. As I also mentioned there are obviously illnesses that require more than homeopathic/herbal treatments but there are many that don't. Even if you think about anti biotics they are derived/copied from natural sources e.g. molds. The pharmaceutical industry is really not a nice one and there is a lot of unnecessary and sometimes dangerous medicating.


That's a sightly different issue, vaccinations work in a different way from therapeutic drugs. I would however agree that unless there is a very important contraindication, people should be vaccinated against illness.

Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]


Not true, most are fairly open minded about it especially if you include herbal remedies along with the homeopathic ones. Don't confuse the majority of scientists with the pharmaceutical company employees who have a vested interest in keeping people tied to their products, clearly they are going to say any other product is inferior!

Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]

Speaking as a person who has brothers who are doctors, parents who are nurses, 3 cousins who are pharmacists and who studied chemistry as a second subject at university (physics main subject) , so I do know something about the subject and the chemical elements involved!

Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]

If the company that supplies homeopathic remedies is reliable and reputable there's no reason why many of the remedies they sell should be any less effective than many of the pharmaceutical ones. Most pharmaceutical therapies are just chemical analogues of plants/fungi/yeasts etc anyway, better to have the real thing. Obviously there are some illnesses that may need specialist drugs but not that many!

The drug companies are pretty corrupt anyway, for years they put forward expensive treatments for stomach ulcers when cheap anti biotics were more effective, they do it with other things too.

Good nutrition and a healthy lifestyle works wonders for prevention of illness where there are no basic anatomical or physiological defects in a person!

Work / Why are so many PF member in Poland working in education? [19]

Simple reasons why so many of the PF posters are connected to education.
Some people have a vocation for teaching, want to travel and really love languages, teaching foreign languages in different countries is an ideal career. This group are usually very professional and do the job well,

sometimes marrying a local and remaining in the country for many years, if not forever.

The second group are just those looking for an easy way of making money and are out to exploit whoever/ whatever and see if they can chalk up a few notches on their bedposts! You can usually tel the cowboys, they are the ones who shout about and criticise fully trained, better educated locals who teach English etc....

Such a shame about the second group because there is nothing worse than a teacher except maybe a bad doctor/nurse.

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


So far your information has been anecdotal but I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.

I don't doubt your friend has seen changes that he may dislike,that's a natural part of life. The fall in church going among the white population is nothing to do with non white immigration, church attendance is falling in countries that have only tiny numbers of non whites.


The Chinese do maintain their culture and language well but they are good citizens and are very proud of living in Canada

Race riots, racially motivated attacks. I can read the crime figures and some of the family have been there since the early 60's.


You've picked the wrong woman here!!! I do know the difference! Brother in law was based in Winnipeg when he first went to Canada, he did some work with the Cree and helped train a couple of paramedics who he is still close to. I haven't been to Cadotte Lake but I've been to all three of the Little Red River Cree reservations and stayed with families, I've also stayed in Blood! I don't personally know any Ojibwe but I know the role they played in helping obtain greater rights for the First Nations. My nephew works with an Ojibwe lady but I probably won't meet her for some time yet.

I'm not overly impressed by the First Nation deal but I suppose it's a start.


No you didn't, same as me I was born in the UK but I'm of Asian/Greek ancestry and forget the liberal arts bit my subject is physics! My point is that after having colonized Canada and the USA the white immigrants could not manage without non white immigrants so encouraged immigration, now some of the whites are shouting that too many non whites are immigrating! HOW HYPOCRITICAL IS THAT? I doubt the First Nations or Inuits want any of us there!

You seem to object to non white immigration but feel that white immigration is acceptable, how can you justify that?
Poland needs more people, why shouldn't it be Asians or Chinese or Afro Caribbeans???
If Poles can come to Britain, which has many ethnic groups, why can't different ethnic groups go to Poland? No one is advocating invasion. I'm not against immigration control as such but it should never be on the lines of colour or ethnicity


Please don't accuse me of lying it's rude! If an Indian who has lived in India all their lives and had little contact with white people it's quite difficult to differentiate between the different white ethnic groups. As my gran used to say 'all whites look the same to me' it's true of people travelling from Africa and China. Obviously after a while you see the differences in whites. I can't identify different Chinese ethnic groups from phenoytype alone, nor can I identify different African ethnic groups, I can do it to an extent in India but only because of my own travels there, it doesn't mean that any of these places is less diverse than the UK, USA etc...

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]

I wasn't asked to differentiate between my nationality and my ethnic origins, legally I am British, end of, deal with it because you cannot refute or alter it!


This is your perception only, you are accusing me of stating untrue facts on purely anecdotal evidence! I hear many stories of the local Polish shop throwing out English people but I've never seen it happen, and I see many English people being served there, the owner is a good business man and wouldn't turn down the chance of present and future custom whatever the person's ethnicity, he's popular because he keeps long hours!

Having been to Canada on several occasions and having white Canadian friends and Asian relatives there, I don't see or hear about much tension. Most people are Canadian first and Jamaican/Indian/Chinese second. There are relatively few racial incidents, and although there have been attacks on ethnic groups throughout Canada's history they've been exceedingly rare in the past 40-50 years. BTW my 'white' friend frequently shops in Surrey's Chinese shops (he loves the food) and is always made welcome!!

The biggest problem with minority groups in Canada is the way the aboriginal groups are treated! Inuits and Native Indians have quite a poor deal!

White immigrants have no God given right to populate Canada. Like the USA, it is a land stolen from the indigenous population. It is totally hypocritical to shout about non white immigration when you are no more than immigrants yourself!!!


Yes there is a great deal of diversity in China and India, often not obvious to Western travelers, until they have spent a fair bit of time there. It's quite usual for a while at least to miss the subtle physical and cultural differences in the ethnic groups. It works both ways of course to many Indians/Africans/Chinese etc.... all whites look the same until you get used to them!


The whites nicked the USA off the aboriginal Indians you have no more right that land than an Afro Caribbean,Chinese,Hispanic,Martian etc... if you can be immigrants so can everyone else! Of course if all the whites left in deference to the true owners of the land, well then the non whites would be honour bound to leave too!


I think we are both talking about affirmative action but it isn't policy in Canada. You say it's being carried out unofficially but there are non white ethnic groups who argue that Pro White affirmative action is rife! Can't say I've seen or heard of either types being common place, I have friends and family in the country and visited several times myself.


Not quite sure what you are trying to say here. Poorly qualified people of all races enter Canada, why is a poorly qualified Jamaican more of a liability than a poorly qualified Pole? The ethnic groups I mentioned are usually well educated and by the second generation they are higher achievers than white ethnic groups both academically and technically, quite often economically too


No I am realistic do you seriously think the WASPS and Rednecks in the USA could run the place by themselves? they'd be too busy fighting over who was going to man the burger bars!!!!

AS for Canada, well if the white settlers could have run the country, they'd have never let the non whites in!


Read the History books!!!

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Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


Part white was what I said, I've never hidden the Indian side,why should I ? As Mum is of Greek origin it gives me both white and brown skin colour genes! I look more white in the winter, more Asian in the summer, using anthropological definitions I'm caucasian. Phenotypes and genotypes aside I am British whether you like it or not, tough!!! you can cry all you like but you can't alter the fact!

You need to read up about nationality laws, Dad has held a British passport since 1948 and previous to that he held a British Indian passport. Assuming that you hold an Eire passport you haven't had the right to decide what's British since 1922!! Further more my dad has medals for service in WW2 some of your compatriots were busy supporting Hitler!!! Without the likes of my family you'd not be sat there spouting crap! you'd be slave labour! You contribute nothing to British Society, your ancestors no doubt did but YOU don't whereas I and many other Asians, Afro Caribbeans, Chinese etc... do.So who the f--- are you to dictate to the British, while I fully support an Independent United Ireland and don't like what Britain has done to Ireland I think you have no rights to say who is British at all 'dtuigeann tú'?


If the Kenyans gave you a passport and your child one too then yes you could consider your self and your child both Kenyan and African!


Firstly no one is advocating a take over by any particular race, unlimited immigration doesn't benefit anyone.
Secondly most immigrants in Canada are extremely well integrated, Canada has a very good record of integration. Most immigrants learn English very quickly.
Thirdly Canada has no truck with the sort of positive discrimination you are suggesting, non whites don't like positive discrimination, it's patronising and unnecessary!

My brother in law lives in Vancouver, he has a medical practice there and is happy to employ whites if they have the appropriate education and skills, it's not unusual to find that Asians/Chinese/Japanese/Koreans etc have better qualifications than white Canadians though.

The USA is different from Canada though, the USA has a long history of treating both white and non white immigrants rather badly! Some of the white liberals come up with these stupid ideas of of race quotas, positive discrimination etc.... not realising how damaging they are.

Finally, both Canada and the USA would collapse without the input of the various non white ethnic groups!

Life / Immigration in Poland and being surrounded by a monoculture? [134]


All white but quite diverse
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Just because it's not worked well in the USA doesn't mean it can't work in other places, it could work in the USA if the system was a little more fair. That said, the USA has created a better multi cultural society than some places!!


Equally diverse, though not as obvious to westerners. The cultural and religious differences within China, Singapore and India are huge, if you know the area there are big differences in phenotypes as well.


I am also British with as much right to be in Britain as anyone. Like many other Asians, Afro Caribbeans, Jews I contribute to the society, some times considerably more than the white inhabitants. Asians, Jews, Afro Caribbeans and the Irish played an integral part in building British society. You obviously do not understand what the term 'supremacist' means because if you did you wouldn't be using the term here!!

As for the Rastafarian bit, it's a pity you aren't a Rasta it would broaden your mind and perhaps afford you some education!!!