Life / Why are Polish people so obsessed with race? [160]


You don't need to apologise. The way you see people and the way you judge them tells a lot about yourself. I'd say it tells more about yourself than about anybody else.

News / Nature: Discovery of lonely planets - Polish + NZ-JP-USA astronomers [4]

Extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing, boletus!

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]


I've been suspecting it for a long time! ;)


But it was the Polish people who never agreed on that transaction. It's easy to be independent when you're a Goliath, it's heroic when you're a David

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


At least "stare kurwy" have faces and names and if you know how to deal with them, you'll eventually get what you want...

In the UK Mr/Mrs Nice-Attitude on the other side of the telephone line will switch you from one polite voice to another, you'll spend a lot of time and money on calling 0845 but you won't find anyone who is responsible for answering your issue

Love / Do Polish men like to sleep with other men? [79]


There's nothing pejorative about homosexual relations, yet Lodz's right - this thread was created to insult. Psychology and even in certain circumstances the law today recognizes this ability of the language to insult in a non-direct way. And I'm sure you know that.


I wonder, what happened to the people of the great British empire, that once owned a half of the world and today feel threatened by a few gay Poles, who have come here in a peaceful search of their Elton John? ;)

News / Dumbing-down in Polish schools and the Matura [185]


why not? please do.

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


Okay, hope you'll enjoy your time in jail...


I was being ironic, sobieski


Interior decoration of a cave today would be seen as deliberate damage...


:)) As wildrover said - I dread to think what they'll think of us...


;) That's a good point

Life / Positive things which make a Pole stand out positively in the World! [30]


enkidu, that's a plus!! :)

I think anarchy is good. The governments obviously want us to believe that we need them so they try to show anarchy as evil, give it a mask of a stoned punk, but anarchy is in fact true democracy. What we have now is feudalism in disguise

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


If the human kind doesn't change dramatically, they will even be preserving the graffiti in Warsaw and charging visitors for watching it

History / Polish and Russian soul anno 1914 and today [45]


Like every generalization.


That one I find very truthful. Yes, we are capable of building a state, but you can't deny that we do and have been all along struggled with it because of our individualistic and anarchistic tendencies.

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


:)
And have you ever thought that all those prehistoric paintings are graffiti as well? :)


independent.co.uk/news/science/cave-paintings-are-graffiti-by-prehistoric-yobs-467773.html

History / Polish and Russian soul anno 1914 and today [45]


:)



But isn't that the difference between educated people and "lower class" people of any nation? :)


We believe that what's most characteristic and also most scary about the Russian mafia is that they have no sense of ethics whatsoever - unlike the Italian or even the Polish mafias, where a peculiar sort of ethics is very important.

Also I remember old people's reminiscences about WWII and they would sometimes compare Russian soldiers with the German ones and picture the former as totally unpredictable and barbarian.

Yet, just to be fair, it's not like I never hear Poles talking about Russians with sympathy. I think we find them a little mysterious.

I particularly remember a Russian friend of mine I used to have back in Poland - he could tell stories! He was better than the movies :) At some point he got upset with us (the group of friends) and that wrath of his seemed to me so exaggerated; and the fact that he was unable to forgive even after long time I still find difficult to understand.

And one thing he always accused us (as a nation) of was that we "fornicate with the West". It used to drive me mad, because I believed it wasn't fornication but simply freedom we'd gained after getting rid of the USSR. Now I'm not so sure :(

History / Polish and Russian soul anno 1914 and today [45]


I'm happy to know that. I personally like Russians, I'm fascinated by the country and the culture.

I witnessed the situations both in Poland and in the UK. Obviously it's a generalization, but even the article of Berdaev is. I come from Eastern Poland - probably our feelings towards Russians are stronger than in the western part of the country - our hate for them just as intense as our love for them :)

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


So according to you AK activists painting anchors during WWII were criminals?


:) I'm devastated...

History / Polish and Russian soul anno 1914 and today [45]


Oh, yes. I can't speak for the Russians, but I've observed that they don't trust us and I have always found that intriguing - I've wittnesed situations where a Russian/Russians seemed unable or rather unwilling to fit in a group of Poles, who were clearly very friendly.

I also agree with Berdaev's view that we have a very strong feeling of the inner freedom. And the more outwardly oppressed we are, the more inwardly independent we feel. We don't consider cooperation with the oppressor practical but shameful.

We also do see Russians as uncivilised and an attitude of superiority towards them is quite common :( "What would you expect? That's Russia for you. They're wild." - a common thing to hear. Maybe I've just answered my own question - maybe they sense the ugly attitude of ours and that's why don't want to make friends with us.

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


:)) yeah, probably.


That one was not Lascaux, but nevermind.


well, that's an overinterpretation.


Why? I'm not being sarcastic now, I honestly don't know. Because the materials used to create it were more expensive than a can of spray? Because it's blue and the other one black and white? Because the line is straight and the other one curvy? I quite like it to be honest, I like the colours and the "silence" of it. Does my liking it make it art?

Don't get me wrong - I do get the differnce between art and vandalism, but I also realize that the border between them is not always so distinc as some people would like to see it.

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]



Thank you, I appreciate that and I find your lessons interesting.

mafketis, one of the most amazing things in this world is that everything has a context. Nothing exists outside of a context, maybe apart from some of the reasoning given on this forum ;) And yes, I believe that an important part of the street art is that it's an illegal activity. It matters, it gives it that power of rebellion, it gives it the meaning of resistance.


Is that your definition of art? :) It's weakish... Do you think that the painter of the picture No.1 had the intention to make art? Or was he/she just expressing whatever he/she felt like expressing? Yet, for some reason it's called art - maybe because it's a couple of thousands years older than the painting you posted...


More so.


Why not? What does it mean "to be accepted as a sculpture"? By whom? By the public? It has been proven many times that the public will accept as art anything named so by the media :(


I don't know. I don't like it as graffiti. The message of it is not readable to me. But we don't know the context - perhaps the building's owner is a vile man and the message means "You should repent!".. lol

For some reason the picture No.2 is considered art...

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News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


There's no need for any form of art. Basically 4 bare concrete walls would function just as well as the York Cathedral


Please teach me something then, JonnyM..


Oh Oh Oh

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]



The discussion is taking an unexpected turn... It turns out that there are quite a few street vandals among us :))


Looks like everyone wants to spray my house... Nice, I'm happy! You can post your portfolios :)

History / Polish and Russian soul anno 1914 and today [45]


Why? We do believe in the equality of all before God, provided that Poland is the Christ of the nations... ;)


Our soul does struggle with that a little...

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


well, I must admit, I have just half a clue about history... :)


you... rascal

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]



You know guys, if Banksy is a derivative of vandalism, then a defiance and graffiti are derivatives of the self rigtheous herd that is called the society, so in a way I do support your point of view too ;) Without you there wouldn't be the need for graffiti.


anyone with half a clue about history will tell you that totalitarianism doesn't come all of a sudden but begins with taking little freedoms away and calling little provocations a crime

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

That's ok. There are many valuable things one can learn from being battered.


Yes, I believe Banksy is derivative of vandalism. That's what makes me think twice before I condemn vandalism

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


Polish society isn't broken. A sick society is the one in which there's no room for any form of being different apart from the form which they are told is acceptable. So 2 women kissing on the street are acceptable but a cock on the wall is not as it may hurt the feelings of sensitive watchers. This is what you're told.

And the emo kids - they think they're being acceptably different, but for some reason they're all the same. What kind of mutant defective resistance they express that is nothing different from following another fashion, another rules.

I told you, although you don't seem to listen, that I don't support the rubbish graffiti - but I realize that to get some good graffiti we must agree on a certain amount of rubbish. And yes, I think it's worth it. I'd rather live with HWDP on my wall than in an artificial orderly world where human being is no longer a human but a predictable and obedient machine

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


I don't think so. You see what you've been told is direspectful and annoying. There're much more horrifying things in life than a cock on the wall.

But nevermind that, I'm not a fan of all the chuj stuff, but where would we get Banksys from if we didn't have graffiti at all? Of course Banksys are rare. Just as rare as good film makers.

By the way, you should really watch the film I posted, guys - it shows what makes the public decide what is art and what isn't

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


No, but you clearly look but you don't see.


You're welcome. I really couldn't be bothered if there was Legia Kurwy on my wall

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


I've never said or even thought something like that.
BUT if you take the spray away from a Legia fan, you'll have to take it away from everyone.
And what is art after all? Who is to decide? It's an expression, isn't it? Maybe someone feels the need to express "Legia pany", maybe that's what they feel is important. It doesn't kill anyone, does it?

If you like Banksy, you might know the film already, but in case you don't, have a look at it. It's fun :)
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News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]


Oh, a wonderful example. Before he became famous and his work appreciated, Banksy'd been a street vandal :)

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

I rarely see movies that one could call art. It's just rubbish littering people's minds. And can be more harmful than HWDP on the wall. Shall we make cinematography illegal? Actually I'd be happy to see some of the film makers made accountable.

sobieski: Life isn't safe. From the moment we're born we've been in danger. Every living thing on Earth is. We imagined that there is a state of being perfectly safe. If graffiti calls you back to reality, maybe it does a better job than religions.

News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]



For more look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti

Well, I don't support the idea of orderly, machine-like, sterile world. I like the defiance that graffiti shows.