Posts by PolskiMoc

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

Certainly not Poles.

How were the studies refuted? I have studied alot on Anthropology & Over the years I have found multiple arcticles showing Lithuanian is the closest or one of the closest European languages to Sanskrit & Lithuanian is also very close to Slavic.

Pretty much all sources I have seen have come to the same conclusion.

Fine, Proto Poles

You seem to nitpick alot & don't really seem to contribte or refute.
I notice alot of people do this on this forum.

You seem to think you know it all. Give me a direct refute.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

To me Poland and Poles as such, exist since 966.

They were from Poland & they had R1a haplogroup like Poles.

What else can you call them?

Would you like it to be called Pre Polish Poland?

Essentially for 11,000 + years Poles have been genetically the same R1a haplogroup people as they are today.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

Yes, Well at the end of the Glacier Europeans seemed to have been isolated into a few different groups.

One of the biggest groups seems to have been in Iberia where I1 haplogroup & R1b haplogroup people were.

Another one seems to be near Bosnia where I2 people were.

While the R1a Ice age settlement was in Poland & Slovakia.

At the end of the Ice age they spread from these areas.

Europeans are mixed but yet quite divided at the same time.

Especially in Y (Paternal DNA) Maternal DNA there is much less differences & Europeans are much closer to each other in Maternal DNA.
But, In paternal DNA there are some swift differences in Europe.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

look at the name of your topic, you said Polish. They weren't Polish yet.

Since the R1a haplogroup is oldest in Europe in Poland & R1a in Europe spread from Poland.

Then, R1a in Scandanavia came from Poland at some time.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

They haven't and Meillet (born 1866) and largely a scholar of theGreek oral tradition, was proved wrong on this point decades ago. Stop cutting and pasting from dodgy and inaccurate internet sites.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language

Lithuanian still retains many of the original features of the nominal morphology found in the common ancestors of the Indo-European languages like Sanskrit and Latin, and has therefore been the focus of much study in the area of Indo-European linguistics. Studies in the field of comparative linguistics have shown it to be the most conservative living Indo-European language.[2][3]

Lithuanian and other Baltic languages passed through a Proto-Balto-Slavic stage, from which Baltic languages retain numerous exclusive and non-exclusive lexical, morphological, phonological and accentual isoglosses in common with the Slavic languages, which represent their closest living Indo-European relatives. Moreover, with Lithuanian being so archaic in phonology, Slavic words can often be deduced from Lithuanian by regular sound laws.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

I was talking about the country. Do you know of any document from the time before 966 calling your country Poland and your people Poles? I mean Poland and Poles, not Pomerania etc. I really don't know it and I'd like to learn some more about it. No bs here.

Mieszko I was a Polan & He was baptized Christian in 966 & created Modern Poland.

So, The Lechitic Tribe the Polans is a direct root of Poland.
as well as other Lechitic tribes in Poland that became Poland.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

migration patterns in those days can't be determined solely by DNA records, nor can you describe anything in that period as being 'in Poland'.

No, They generally can.
As the Haplogroups are in the genes. Essentially Haplogroups are a genetic marker. a new genetic marker will come up. in one area.
Thus any tribe that has that same genetic marker came from that area. Then from there they might gain another genetic marker. Thus, We know again that from this spot people traveled else where.

The genes tell the history by the markers. (essentially) a slight glitch or change in the genes that link those genes back to a specific area!

There is not one word of truth here.

Lithuanian (lietuvių kalba) is the closest among all European languages to the Sanskrit, or even Proto- Indo-European language. "Anyone wishing to hear how Indo-Europeans spoke should come and listen to a Lithuanian peasant." - said a famous French linguist Antoine Meillet. Why exactly that folk out of all other European nations has preserved the ancient language roots?

1000petals.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/the-mysterious-beauty-of-lithuanian-language/

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

That gives no evidence whatsoever.PolskiMoc: The Haplogroup evidenc
Haplogroups are 'evidence' for nothing.

Haplogroup evidence is really one of the best.
Because it traces their genetic roots. If a tribe migrated from an area their haplogroups will show this.

This is how they know that Native Americans came from Siberia.

The same is shown with the oldest R1a in Europe being in Poland.

PolskiMoc: As they share similarities to Sanskrit & Also Western Indo-European languages as well.
All languages of the Indo-European family share those 'similarities'.

Some languages have more similarities to Sanskrit than others.

Overall the Lithuanian language seems to be the closest language to Sanskrit.

But, Lithuanian & Slavic languages are distant relatives.

Balto-Slavic languages are thought to have split off from the same source.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

The Haplogroup evidence suggests for at least 11 thousand years people in Poland have pretty much been genetically the same people.

Balto Slavic languages are considered the closest to Pre Indo-European languages. As they share similarities to Sanskrit & Also Western Indo-European languages as well.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

Nothing to do with Poland, and to make some wild claim that" Central Asian culture spread from Poland" (sic) on the basis of some unreliable hypothesis about the Kurgans (who were not Polish) is sheer comedy.

It shows that the oldest evidence of a Wagon is in Poland of the Broncice pot & then 200 years later it is found in the Ukraine & then 800 years after the Bronocice pot in Central Russian Androno culture.

That gives evidence of a West to East movement from Poland.

There is also the First Kurgan found in Poland & then later in Central Asia Kurgans are found.

Then there is the evidence of the R1a in the Andronovo being of a European orgin which European R1a is oldest in Poland.

There are multiple links.

It is all just "Theory" We were not there to fully witness it.

I never said I am 100 percent sure either.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

Central Asians used Kurgan Burial mounds in their culture.

The Oldest Kurgan is found in Poland.

There are multiple links.

Another one is the invention of the wheeled vehicle.

The First evidence of a wheeled wagon is the Bronocice pot 5,500 yrs old in Southern Poland

Then by 5,300 yrs ago there is a wheeled cart found in the Yamna culture in the Ukraine

by 4,600 yrs ago there are the first true chariots found in the Sintiasha culture closely related to the Andronovo culture in Central Russia.
These Sintiasha peopple are considered to be proto Indo-Iranians

There is the genetic evidence of the Andronovo culture most of them were light with European R1a genes. The Oldest R1a in Europe is found in Poland

Out of 10 human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the Krasnoyarsk region, 9 possessed the R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup and one C haplogroup (xC3). mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.

90% of the Bronze Age period mtDNA haplogroups were of west Eurasian origin and the study determined that at least 60% of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains' samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and blue or green eyes.[6]

A 2004 study also established that during the Bronze Age/Iron Age period, the majority of the population of Kazakhstan (part of the Andronovo culture during Bronze Age), was of west Eurasian origin (with mtDNA haplogroups such as U, H, HV, T, I and W), and that prior to the 13th-7th century BC, all Kazakh samples belonged to European lineages

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

No they don't.
PolskiMoc: The genetic evidence shows the R1a haplogroup in Poland directly spread from Poland into Central Asia a few thousand years ago.
These people were thought to be Indo-Europeans who likely bought the Indo-European language to India.

Pointless and untrue.

The earliest expansion time for R-M458 is found in Poland (10.7ky), but since the paper uses the effective mutation rate that I criticized elsewhere, this date should be divided by a factor of 3 giving an age of 3.6ky. This matches quite well the age for the Balto-Slavic split according to Gray and Atkinson. As with the recent paper on J-P58, adopting the germline rate makes excellent sense.

If R-M458 had started expanding 10.7ky ago, then by the time of the early dispersals of Kurgan groups east, it would have been present among them, and we would expect to find it east of the Urals and in the Near East/Central/South Asia. To reconcile this age with the archaeological picture of west-east movements across the steppe seems impossible. However, the situation resolves itself neatly when we realize that J-P58 is only 3-4 thousand years old, and was not in existence at the time of the Kurgan expansion.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

of a Polish-Iberian-Scandinavian connection, would seem to be anyway just a little over the top-:)

There are some links from the Polish side for sure.
Such as the first Kurgan found was 6,000 years old in Poland
While a 3,000 year old Kurgan was found in Sweden.

This is part of the Cordedware culture that was in Poland, Russia, East & North Germany & Southern Scandanavia.

Which shows a direct link of Sweden with Poland in their prehistory.

The Iberian part is much more of a gray area.

For awhile it was thought that I1 haplogroup may have come from & started in the Ukraine.

But, the most recent genetic research suggests that the I1 haplogroup common in Scandanavia actually came from Iberia.

Which kind of fits to why Danny Saucedo looks like a Swede so much when he is a mix of Polish & Bolivian (Spanish)

DNA evidence has in fact shown that blond, light-skinned travelers did in fact reach the Gobi Desert even before Marco Polo, in the matter of the present thread, I definitely need to see more!!

Yes, There are the Tocharian Tarim basin mummies in Western China who were often Blonde & Red haired. The Chinese also depicted them as Blonde & Red haired with Light eyes.

Central Asians have direct roots in Poland actually. (But they later mixed with Mongolian type stock) this is why you see some Tatars & Uzbeks & Other Central Asians ect that sometimes look kind of Slavic & Sometimes kind of Mongolian.

The genetic evidence shows the R1a haplogroup in Poland directly spread from Poland into Central Asia a few thousand years ago.
These people were thought to be Indo-Europeans who likely bought the Indo-European language to India.

But, It is all so complex.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

What is the point of anything then?

I think it is good because it shows that Scandanavians are actually a mix between Polish & Iberian stock.

Not the myth often told by Western Europeans especially Germanics which say that Poles & Other slavs that are blonde are Viking & Germanic left overs.

Which is far from the truth.

It is rather the opposite.

That PolskiMoc spends his days masturbating with his circumcised penis over pictures of Scandinavian men?

No, I actually searched for Sasha Strunin music videos when I found Sasha Strunin with Danny Saucedo & I found it interesting that Danny really doesn't look very Polish or Spaniard.

He really looks like a Swede. He is from Sweden but not of Swedish ethnicity.

Well, the genetic evidence does support that Scandanavians are a mix of Iberian & Polish stock.

So, I felt like posting this.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Genealogy / Are Scandanavians a mix between Polish & Iberian stock? [70]

I think Daniel Gabriel Alessandro Saucedo Grzechowski looks very Swedish. He was born in Sweden. But he is of Polish & Bolivian roots.
He must be of Iberian Bolivian Roots or else he would not have turned out so light.

But, Danny does have a very classic Scandinavian Nordic look. He has a mix of Polish & Iberian features. He has some of the Polish eye & cheek bones & yet some of the more thin facial features & close cut jaw lines & Jaws that many Iberians & Swedes have.

There are some pictures of him in this video.
youtube.com/watch?v=SVOKo7QVY1c

The Genetic evidence really does support that Scandinavians are a mix of people who came from Poland mixed with people who came from Iberia.

For Example the R1a haplogroup in Scandinavia which is quite high comes from Poland as Poland has the highest R1a in Europe.

While the I1 haplogroup in Scandinavia apparently comes from Iberia. The Latest genetic research suggests I1 haplogroup common in Scandinavia started in Iberia.
That R1b haplogroup in Scandinavia also is thought to have spread from Iberia.

I uploaded 2 maps below.

#1 photo on the left is the spread of the Haplogroups in Europe.

#2 photo on the right is a map of the cephalic index in Europe which shows links in cephalic index in Scandinavia similar to Iberia & North Africa.

It has long been held that Polish & Russian / Slavic stock are a mix of Scandinavian.'
But, The evidence actually supports the opposite that Scandinavians are a mix of Slavic type stock with an Iberian type stock.

Here I posted the links because they don't post well

The Blue in Western Europe in this map is I1 haplogroup common in Scandinavia today.
So this map directly shows how R1a people from Poland & I1 people originally from Iberia moved in to Scandinavia to create Scandinavians.

untitledtouiio.JPG

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Love / Hopeful to date Polish woman [39]

Alot of them have Grandparents from Ireland.

They are Irish American. .

If you didn't notice the person who posted this thread was an AMERICAN with Italian & Irish heritage.

I simply gave him an anwser.

Which is truth. Generally Catholic Americans stick with Catholic Americans when they marry or date.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Love / Hopeful to date Polish woman [39]

Um No.
The Irish Italian mix is very common.

Where I live in New York I met more kids who were half Italian & Half Irish than pure Irish or pure Italian.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Love / Is the masculine look on women popular in Poland? [30]

Edyta Sliwinska maybe macho for a Polish woman.

But, She seems to be about average masculinity for Western European women.

She is like very feminine compared to the average Black woman.

What is the so called Masculine look?
What is the look that is Masculine?

You either are or you aren't.

She didn't seem to wear something masculine.

PolskiMoc

1 Jul 2011

Love / Hopeful to date Polish woman [39]

If you are Catholic then you have a shot.

Alot of Irish & Italiams mix due to both being Catholic.

PolskiMoc

24 Jun 2011

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]

Sadly I doubt it. It was oncea great Polish city with Polish majority. But, Today it has almost no Poles.

Ukraine should be made split into 4 seperate nations much like they did with Yugoslavia.

Lwow should go to Poland.

Far Eastern parts to Russia.

Crimea should become a seperate Republic
& So should Ruthenians / Rusyns in South Western Ukraine

PolskiMoc

24 Jun 2011

USA, Canada / Where Polish in NJ live? [58]

New Jersey is the only state that is losing Polish people.
Poles are smart.
They know New Jersey sucks.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

USA, Canada / Thinking about visiting America? Skip it or get molested and arrested for nothing. [79]

I can't find any murder rate stats on Polish cities.

However, Moscow has a murder rate of 9.8 out of 100,000 by the most recent stat.

Moscow has a reputation for being the murder capitol of Europe.

Chicago has a 16.1 out of 100,000 murder rate.

Chicago's murder rate is nearly double of Moscow
& East Saint Louis more than 10 times higher than Moscow.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

I have seen statistics that show Immigrants to the U.K have lower Crime statistics than do native Brits.

Well, Proportionately according to those Statistics Poles seem to Per Capita have one of the lowest Crime rates of their EU immigrant peers.

So, all & all it seems Polish Immigrants to England actually have a low crime rate.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

, i mean you would think that a vastly intelligent race may have done a little better on the world wide scale from the beginning of humanity.

So, How do you explain the Bronocice pot 5,500 years old near Krakow Poland which is the earliest example of a Wheel & a Wagon?

In close Range in Ukraine, Ukraine had a very impressive pre history with the first Evidence of writing, First ovens used to cook foods, First Domestication of the horse.

Poland like it was the holiest of hollies, like some passed great civilization. It wawsnt, never had been, hopefully it will be, but not in our life's times.

Poland was the first Nation in Northern Europe to have a Parliament / Democracy as well as the First Nation in Northern Europe to have Freedom of Religion.

Freedom to Pagans.
First board of Education
First Constitition in Europe
First ideal of Justified war.

Through out much of the Middle Ages Poland was on the top of the greatest European nations.

An average IQ of 150 aint going to make that any more pleasant and you would think

We might as well be Golden Retrivers if we want to be pleasant & Not have a high iq.

It is our intellect that makes us human.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

Which in turn proves that IQ's are affected by national political circumstance, not a down size based on nationality as you would suggest.

The following has NOTHING associated with a nations IQ only a countries financial power:

Qatar is one of the most wealthiest nations in the world & yet only has a 78 iq.

With the Polish American iq being 109 in the 1970's while the U.S white ave was 100
shows how Poles are generally more intelligent under the same circumstances.

Today, the most recent Iq score of Poland was 106 the 3rd highest in Europe above nations like England, Austria, France,ect

So, I don't know. I think Poles in general are just quite a bit more intelligent than others.

Perhaps it has something to do with Polish nobility assimilating so many Lithuanian & Ruthenian nobles which lead to an increase in the Polish iq.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

Because, Germany was a nation much longer than many of the other nations like Poland, Czech & Slovakia were.

Russia was kept in Prolonged Fuedalism by the German Russian Tsars.

IF there is a Western European superiority I think it is that Western Europeans constantly try to manipulate & destroy the enemy like wild monkeys.

People like Poles generally don't care about that. But, Western Europeans were constantly backstabbing & shooting & looting something like wild baboons.

Perhaps the slightly more Primitive nature of Western Europeans makes them more survivalistic.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

Even though the stats you supplied dont suggest that but now youre changing it to suit your biased agenda. Get the fcuk outta here little niave one youve been well and truly busted.

The statistics showed that West Germany had the highest Iq in Europe.

While, Slavic Nations like Poland, Russia, Ukraine & Czechslovakia had a higher iq than East Germany.

Which shows that under the same circumstances as the rest of Western Europe West Germany scored the highest in Western Europe.

While, Under the same circumstances of Slavic nations under Communism. East Germany scored lower than Slavic nations did.

Are you a Brit? You seemed to have got way too upset LOL

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

USA, Canada / Thinking about visiting America? Skip it or get molested and arrested for nothing. [79]

I lived in Poland between 2003 and 2007 and I've experienced all kinds of things there.

The most recent murder rate in Poland was 1.22 out of 100,000

Only 3 out of 50 U.S states had a murder rate lower than that.

That is New Hampshire, Vermont & Iowa.

With the highest U.S state Louisiana having a 11.8 out of 100,000 murder rate.

Close to 10 times higher than Poland.

East Saint Louis has the highest murder rate in the U.S of 101 out of 100,000

Which is nearly 100 times higher than Poland.

There are some real problems in the U.S. It is mostly with Non White people.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

So West Germany away from the Slavic side actually scored higher than the Slavic side.

Well, Yeah that Iq test was taken during Communist times.

Poland, Hungary, Czechslovakia, Russia, Ukraine all scored a higher iq than East Germany
& Slovenia scored the same iq.

In a more recent Iq / PISA test West Germany actually did worse with Bremen being at the bottom of the list.

In general East Germans seem to be alot more intellectually progressive than West Germans.

Kognigsburg was the most Eastern area of Germany.

Yet, So many of the greatest Germans had roots there like Immanuel Kant, Wernher Von Braun, Gustav Kirchoff & A whole bunch of others.

PolskiMoc

23 Jun 2011

UK, Ireland / Poles top the UK's EU crime figures [78]

Do you not think its a case of environment and/or culture (monetary power) effecting specific nations?

If that is true? then, shouldn't Gemran Americans be ahead of Polish Americans? Because they have had it better in the past?

I personally find most Western Europeans to be dumb.

East Germany scored a 95 iq while West Germany scored the highest Iq in Europe at the time of 103

But, Poland & Hungary scored a 99 iq, CzechSlovakia a 97 iq & Russia & Ukraine a 96 iq.

So, Yes, enviroment does play some role. Under the same enviroment Poles & Other Eastern Europeans did better than East Germans.

Canada & Australia are mostly British Islanders & Only scored a 97 iq despite their exessively good circumstances.

I do find people from the British Isles to be dumb in general.

There might be a few very smart British Islanders but the average Brit is borderline retarded from my experience.

In the most recent iq test Poland scored a 106 iq while Britain scored a 100 iq.

Polish Americans score a 109 iq while White Americans scored a 100 iq.