Ironside
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]
You mean to say that you don't know? So, what are you doing here playing an expert?
Poor innocent blondes :D
That during the war many people were killed, for many different reasons, its possible that some Jews were killed by Poles,not because they were Jews but because of their deeds, and you can be sure it was pined as anti-Semitic act.
Guilty, but having myself an academic background I'm well aware that sources could be used to support your thesis:) Consequently some quotes prove nothing except that in the most cases knowledge of a quoter on discussed subject is limited:)
I know a lot on the subject and I'm fed up with armchair moralist who do not posses even fraction of my knowledge and are they rush to pass easy judgements.
Also, why concentrated on negatives if overtly Poles passed test of fire on positive note - and were reworded by being locked in Soviet hell!
not at all, wait for my answer I'm busy now making a cake:)
that not a point, I simply deny that Kielce case prove something, 1946 is not a time of peace in Poland, and so called "Polish Government" you talk so casually about was in fact Soviet creation and if you cannot understand such a simple true; how could you expect to understand much more complicated issues :)
For the record I don't deny that during the war sometimes Poles killed Jews but you could find also an example when Jews killed Poles.
I'm asking only what it is to prove ?
World knows so little about suffering of Poland and Poles great deeds during WWII. When told its reaction is "oh no again, or moaning" and so on, that such "academic" pursuit of some small not important in overall picture issues going to obscure the great picture and in this way its a lie.
Do you really need to discuss WWII in Poland only in regard to "Jewish question" ?
So do it on Jewish forum, Poles suffered enough during WWII and after to say - **** off !
As to Jedwabne , I know that investigation were cut short by the political decision to say that it was Poles assisted in those murders that matters.
So, I have serious doubts about it!
In Kielce case, you can ask soviets as they were in charge and if anything they are responsible , there was present heavy armed and security forces at the time - what were they doing?
I have the reasons to doubt!
On the other hand if Poles killed Jews in both cases I would have no calms to admit it!
I would have only asked - so what?
(I-S) Thought that G-M knows better, hence those emotions!
Where ? When ? By who ? Facts please :)
You mean to say that you don't know? So, what are you doing here playing an expert?
Frankly Jedwabne and many other massacres were pinned on the german troops after the war ended
Poor innocent blondes :D
What are you suggesting ?
That during the war many people were killed, for many different reasons, its possible that some Jews were killed by Poles,not because they were Jews but because of their deeds, and you can be sure it was pined as anti-Semitic act.
You are citing rational sources, others just lash out through emotion.
Guilty, but having myself an academic background I'm well aware that sources could be used to support your thesis:) Consequently some quotes prove nothing except that in the most cases knowledge of a quoter on discussed subject is limited:)
I know a lot on the subject and I'm fed up with armchair moralist who do not posses even fraction of my knowledge and are they rush to pass easy judgements.
Also, why concentrated on negatives if overtly Poles passed test of fire on positive note - and were reworded by being locked in Soviet hell!
You're getting a bit confused here,
not at all, wait for my answer I'm busy now making a cake:)
when wrongdoings of the Poles get pointed out.
that not a point, I simply deny that Kielce case prove something, 1946 is not a time of peace in Poland, and so called "Polish Government" you talk so casually about was in fact Soviet creation and if you cannot understand such a simple true; how could you expect to understand much more complicated issues :)
For the record I don't deny that during the war sometimes Poles killed Jews but you could find also an example when Jews killed Poles.
I'm asking only what it is to prove ?
World knows so little about suffering of Poland and Poles great deeds during WWII. When told its reaction is "oh no again, or moaning" and so on, that such "academic" pursuit of some small not important in overall picture issues going to obscure the great picture and in this way its a lie.
Do you really need to discuss WWII in Poland only in regard to "Jewish question" ?
So do it on Jewish forum, Poles suffered enough during WWII and after to say - **** off !
As to Jedwabne , I know that investigation were cut short by the political decision to say that it was Poles assisted in those murders that matters.
So, I have serious doubts about it!
In Kielce case, you can ask soviets as they were in charge and if anything they are responsible , there was present heavy armed and security forces at the time - what were they doing?
I have the reasons to doubt!
On the other hand if Poles killed Jews in both cases I would have no calms to admit it!
I would have only asked - so what?
(I-S) Thought that G-M knows better, hence those emotions!