Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


answer the question with a "yes" or a "no" and we can move on. It's so simple yet you can't figure out how to do it. I suggest enlisting the aid of a 5-year old.


The part I put in bold is the only part that is actually true. The part in italics is debatable. Other animals make choices all the time, so no, that isn't what separates us from them. Now here's the best part:

You think being able to choose is a positive attribute- what a limp-wristed, wet-behind the ear snot-nosed liberal answer. As a real man, the only decision to make is the right one. Weak-willed and feather footed individuals like yourself can turn in your man-card and stand in line with the other people looking for hand-outs and excuses in life. People like yourself might think it's a choice to do the right thing but the rest of us, the people who were brought up right, know that's not a choice but a trap.

You've shown your true colours after all. Zimmy- afraid of women having rights because he's too weak to deal with them and afraid of doing the right thing. Zimmy- a coward and a liberal.

/end thread.

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Simple Question:


Where's your answer simpleton? Yes or No, it's not complicated.


< that is a definition, not an answer- try again.

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put it in quotes for me.
The question posed was as follows:
Do you think choice is a good thing? Is it something you support?
Please highlight where you explicitly answered that.

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Here is an example of you reading one thing and comprehending another or simply engaging in an invisible debate. It is a simple question, do you support the idea of choice or don't you?

Here is an example of you reading one thing and comprehending another or simply engaging in an invisible debate. It is a simple question, do you support the idea of

choice or don't you?


in some positions in the work force I am completely opposed to affirmative action while in other positions I can clearly see a logical reason for it- why you refuse to see it as more than an all or nothing issue is the real question.

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Do you think choice is a good thing? Is it something you support?

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Dude, give it up. I refuse to believe you're really as stupid as you've been displaying in your posts. I think we've both come to realize your initial criticisms were weak and you're trying to safe face with an elaborate troll. You did an excellent job, I kept thinking "is he really that dumb?" but still replied- cudos.

I think drinking water is a good idea but I oppose it when I'm swimming.

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What was the rest? I am pretty sure my only point on that matter is what you admitted but I'm open to criticism what is "the rest?"


I understand perfectly well what you've been writing, the problem is YOU don't seem to understand what you're writing. It's like you think one thing but write another; read one thing and then respond to something entirely different.


Have I? Not more than 2 sentences later you did the exact same thing:


I am saying mining has comparable jobs in other fields and as you've admitted some guys like those jobs. We both know that is true and the fact I had to beat you over the head with it tells me I need to work on my communication skills when communicating with imbeciles.


What do you mean "believe in it?" It's not a f'king religion.


What is disingenuous about that (I'm guessing you tried to up your perceived iq by using a big person word but you don't know what it means)? If it's vague it's because you haven't read the example I gave where I think it benefits society - go and find it (141). If you can't understand the times and places for it then you're likely just opposed to anything which disrupts male hegemony. You're one of the reasons rabid feminists exist you idiot. By only seeing things as "all or nothing" issues, morons like both yourself and feminists polarize others on issues.

Here's what I wrote:


This is your reply:


At first I was going to give an example of how in some cases violence is a good idea but overall I oppose it but then it finally became clear- YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLING ME. Well done sir, well done. That was a lot of work you put in to it. I wasn't sure if anyone could really be that stupid, it's kind of a relief that it was a troll but why so much effort?

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No. I'm not. Look at what I've written and you'll see that for yourself.


It's been done, if you read it after you wrote this then great, if not then take another look.


You wrote that "men don't want to be miners" now you're going on about what parents want for their kids. You know as well as I do that what you had originally written is patently false and now you're trying to shift your argument to being about what parents want for their kids. It's no good, you stated your position and we both know it's not true. Why don't you just admit it? Some men like doing what you would consider a sh*tty job. That being said, those jobs are production based and have little crossover activities with that of politicians, it's got nothing to do with the price of fish.

Zimmy, am I just falling for a persistent troll job on your part? I ask this because it seems you're purposely missing the point of everything I've communicated to you. It's like you want to believe I'm some card carrying member of the Affirmative Action Committee. In many cases, affirmative action is a poison but in other cases it is definitely a good idea. The problem has been that people have been dishonest with it. Whenever someone doesn't get what they want, cries of "racism" and "sexism" are generally all that is needed to get an emotional response from many to capitulate on the matter.

I oppose that. It is lazy thinking. But there is more than one form of lazy thinking and you sir have been engaging in something just as lazy but on the other end of the spectrum.

From my first exchange with you, I have written that I'm only in favour of the spirit of this idea but overall OPPOSE IT but do so for different reasons than you. You keep accusing me of being the bastion of affirmative action despite my insistence that I agree with you that it has gone out of control in areas of employment it simply shouldn't be it. Despite this you keep insisting I have done the opposite. It's easy enough to go back and check the record. At this junction you're either:

sleep deprived
completely stupid
dishonest
using mind altering substances
unable/unwilling to comprehend what you've read


So what? You had asked me why I don't seek parity for other groups beyond gender.
I then referred you to the thread title, i.e. your rebuttal regarding other minority groups wasn't in the thread title. Do you understand this?


No you dip sh*t, I don't support that either but for different reasons. The argument you had provided against it was weak sauce and didn't even make sense. Read this and read it carefully, then think about what it means for a good 24 hours of cumulative thinking before you even think about replying:

I criticized your arguments which were in opposition to a proposal of gender parity in government. The fact that I don't agree with your reason for opposing the idea does NOT MEAN I support the proposal.

Do you understand that? Please choose:
a) yes F4, now I get it.
b) no F4 it is not clear to me.


Hold the phone!!! Zimmy has come up with a real argument against the proposal. You finally upped your game. Now make your argument...

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Let's take an example from the real world. Let's take an example of where I'm from. First Nations people from my part of the world are more likely to be in long term incarceration than people from other ethnicities by a HUGE MARGIN. They are more likely to engage in just about every activity deemed to weaken society that you can imagine. One initiative to curb this was the introduction of youth programs in the inner city. It is entirely subsidized through taxes. Now the only thing to do is hire staff who can connect with these kids. These people need training, methods, experience and instincts, oh, and most of all they need the kids at risk to trust them.

Now who do you think those kids will trust more: some white or black person or someone who they look like, someone who more than likely came from the same kind of environment they should want to escape from? If all things are equal or close to it then it's pretty easy to see who will connect with those kids better and know what to look out for in terms of their behaviour. When they can see at a young age that there are people succeeding who look just like them, the likelihood of them thinking "hey I can do better too" is infinitely greater. If you call that discrimination then there's no helping you.


Just for clarity, what exactly do you define "the problem" to be?

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No, but those industries had better be comparable to what it is that person is trying argue. This is the case here, not once has someone given a comparative situation to an "industry" which is comparable to realm of what political representation is supposed to be at a municipal, state/provincial or federal level. Perhaps what you wanted to write instead of "industries" was areas or comparative phenomenon, but neither he nor I at that point were arguing industries but instead minority and interest groups.

I don't know what you've been reading but I'll sum up what I've comprehended thus far and if you can find an inconsistency in this then please alert me to it:

Zimmy, rightfully, sees that if we follow the slippery slope of gender based representation then other "minority" groups would then demand mandatory political representation based on their numbers as well. I AGREED WITH HIM that because of this and other factors that it's not a good idea overall, at least not in the capacity of current western political systems. But if he's going to ask me why I am not arguing for that too then it's because IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I AM OPPOSED TO THE IDEA!!!

I only think his argument about secretaries in blue collar industries is entirely off the mark. I don't like the pervasiveness of politically correct hiring practices in north american society but I can also readily admit to its strengths in some are facets of society. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, there are roles in society in which it's a good thing and in many it's not. If we had a different political structure then it might be but if you read carefully you'll see I have been opposed to some criticisms of the idea because they were poorly thought out, that doesn't suddenly amount to validating the proposal.

Tell me if you understand this.

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^I've heard it said that men are nature's gamble while women are nature's insurance police.

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Shouldn't we be? Some jobs are not life or death, the execution of some jobs actually do show an improvement on a community when specific genders or ethnicities are in them. I'm not defending the extent to which things have gone but I really think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water here.


Sorry kid but i'd say yours is the odd comment. I'm not commenting about young men growing up (something you'd do well to imitate). I'm talking about grown up enough men, capable of determining the kind of work they like and don't like and YES some of them prefer that kind of work to other jobs. If you don't grasp this then you've got some living to do.


Is your brain made of F-ING JELLO? Look at the thread title- the question is about GENDER ONLY.

Love / Pregnant in Wroclaw, need a good doctor [11]

I can tell you from experience, it will always be my deepest regret in life that I didn't ensure we had a bilingual gynecologist to deliver our son at a private clinic. There is simply too much left to chance at state hospitals and the mood of the staff when they're supposed to be looking after life. It could be that one nurse is attending to 3 or more mothers all in labour at the same time. Don't allow that plus a communication gap to occur. Go the private route cause if things go wrong, you will need to know who's responsible for what and be abreast of the situation.

Best of luck to you and my sincerest hopes you never have to rely on just that.

If you want more details I can give you a p.m. but I'm serious like f'n heart attack- MONEY MEANS SFA IN THIS CASE, whatever you have is whatever you can spend.

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because what i stated doesn't refer to ALL jobs and the present system disallows many women from entering based on them being women.


Some do, some don't. To suggest otherwise is a red herring.


You don't seem to understand what the word in bold means. There is nothing arbitrary about the suggestion, it is based on representative numbers correlating to gender. What do you perceive to be arbitrary about political presentation based on numbers?


If you can figure out HOW to implement such an idea then I'd like to hear it. That's the problem with the idea we're contesting, you seem to be against it out of fear while I'm against it unless someone can help me understand how it could be implemented. I would argue the entire system would need an overhaul but I'm not opposed to that either.


What is that view? Different men have different views on the world as we two do right now. If you think Margaret Thatcher represented the views of all men then that's your problem. My point was that women DO understand women better than men and ARE more capable of representing what is important to women as men DO understand men better. That is not to say one is only capable of representing the wishes of their gender group but simply more likely to relate to the perspective of those belonging to their gender group. Why you're trying to contest this is unfortunate.


Do you know what a non-sequitur is? This bit I've quoted you on is an example of one on TWO levels- quite a feat you pulled off there. On the face of it, it appears you've made a point but the reality is you stated nothing of consequence to the debate you're trying to engage in. I'll repackage your statement with the same premise but a different consequence: Our interests overlap so often that only conservative fundamentalists fail to acknowledge that. My answer to both statements is SO WHAT?


Tell me how those jobs are different. I want to see if you can do it because after you do it you'll have precious little area to squirm and I'll finally force you to admit your original comparison was completely erroneous.


Not only does the idea not qualify as injustice in a society in which 50% of the voting population are women but I've every reason to believe you have no experience on what true injustice really is. Your naivety on the matter is your own good fortune.

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Work under pressure? What kind of pressure? Like deadlines or danger or life pressure e.g. you mess up a kid and the kid's going to be trainwreck in life, or life or death in the delivery room or on the operating floor?

Would you consider the ability to cooperate to be a natural power?

Could you define what isn't a natural power?

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I added a bit with the editing function.

So what do you define natural powers to be exactly? I'm still unclear as to what you mean by the term

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Natural Powers?


No, while being the "victim" of some of these initiatives, I can see the overall benefit to society that some do represent. Two candidates applied for a job, I didn't get the job because the other candidate was an aboriginal woman. I was angry at the time but in retrospect, the offer to her represented more security for society than for me. I was less likely to be involved in crime and become pregnant (a lot less likely there) while out of work than she was. The job wasn't saving the world and honestly, she could have done it just as well as me. We'd have done it differently but I can accept the benefit to society that her being employed represented vs my unemployment.

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AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE I OPPOSE THE IDEA!!! Are you people seriously that good at typing yet that utterly unable to READ and COMPREHEND in English?

I don't oppose women representing women based on numbers as it makes perfect sense but the idea falls apart in other areas and not one of those is connected to secretaries wanting the same income as long-haul f'n truck drivers!

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and you're suggesting that politicians are in office based on merit only, call me crazy but I believe that is not the case out here in reality


Your use of this word suggests that the last point is relevant and even the contingent factor to your next "point," nothing could be further from the truth. Men and women gravitate towards different jobs and that's that. Most women don't want to be miners anymore than most men want to be Human Resource "professionals."


I agree with you unless that job is to represent those who belong to your gender group. There is simply no way a woman can hope to represent men's point of view in the world anymore than men can hope to do so for women. That is the essence of the argument you haven't acknowledged.


You countered, true but it's a completely silly point because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE topic being discussed. If you honestly can't see the difference between what miners or long-haul drivers et all do compared to what a politician is supposed to do then we simply can't continue this discussion. Tell me how those jobs are similar and different, after you do that then we can continue. Until you do that, I can't acknowledge your point of view as anything but delusional.


That was my thought when you posed the question to me in a different manner.


I would mind as well unless the point was to represent the group you belong to.


And this is where an entirely new system would be required. In my opinion, the number of zones would have to be reduced and enlarged and then there would have to be only one male and female rep elected from each zone. Only men would be allowed to vote for male candidates and only women would be allowed to vote for female candidates. The reason I oppose the idea overall is because I can't see HOW it could be implemented. If that changed then I'd support it, and I find it odd that someone else wouldn't.

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Explain to me what you interpret my point, however illogical, to be. After you do that we can continue, until you do that, I can only conclude you don't understand what I've communicated to you.


What difference does it make to you if the person who is, by your own admission uninformed, male or female?


No, nor do I believe that others are more equal, do you believe some groups are more equal and deserve extra protections?


Yes there have been and will always be bad laws but what you're arguing is that due to this phenomenon, any new law must be interpreted as "bad."


I don't "feel" anything. I can see that quite clearly and quite rarely, there can be a case for it, one that I don't necessarily agree with but at least am able to acknowledge the thinking behind it.

I honestly do NOT see the point you're trying to illustrate with f'd up self entitled secretaries and how it relates to a law demanding women are proportionally represented in Parliament, the Sejm or Congress or where ever. I don't even agree with the idea, it's just that you haven't made any sticking criticisms of the idea. Now, whether it's in front of me or not, spell it out for me because I just don't see it and I'm increasingly sure you can't connect your arguments to any logical end. Go for it, show me I'm wrong, if you can.

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So? If anything you've proven my point. Most politicians are men and according to your own admission, they make decisions affecting industries they don't understand. Why not have women do that to?

Even then, we could allow your mining representative but even then you have to factor in where those miners live and if they truly are the majority where they live then they'll vote in who ever the heck they want.


blah blah blah. Yeah I get it there are women with out of proportion entitlement issues in North America but secretaries demanding they get paid as much as long haul truck drivers in the U.S. are neither the majority in Poland nor connected to any tangible argument. Tell me the connection because I don't see one!


Rarely but in some instances, yes for both male and female workers. Representative government based on gender is not a great idea but not for the reasons you're trying to argue.

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Are you joking? In what way is being a miner akin to a politician in terms of representing constituents?

I see the point you've made here. Unfortunately it shows your astute command of the irrelevant. The problem is not dumb fcuking North American women with out of proportion entitlement issues. The question regards political representation.



Try harder.

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

^yikes, that probably rings true for each and every case !!!

UK, Ireland / Polish National Who Wants to Continue Your Training in BJJ or MMA in London? [11]

what does this guy offer that London Shoot Fighter's doesn't?

Is there a London Top Team?

What's the best this guy's students have finished and in which tournies?

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Are we talking about the owners then? I was talking about the past owners.


And what's the legal criteria btw?

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


not the owners then

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


question: There were buildings still standing in Warsaw after the war?
question: The owners are still alive?
Question: How many buildings could actually be "returned" under such conditions?

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

^Except carrie65's post, those are HORRIBLE arguments against the idea, they don't even support any type of logic.

Government Representatives are to do one major thing, here it comes: REPRESENT
The whole point is that if half the population is one gender, shouldn't have the government representation also be down that line? The jobs you guys listed are tough jobs but the existence of them isn't to represent the interests of the voting population. I have reservations about the idea at it's fundamental level but you guys gotta up your game a bit.

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it's actually a really good idea in one way i.e. half of society is female so why shouldn't half of government reps be female. Of course it's a really childish idea in another way i.e. the message is that only women can/will support women and only men can/will support men. Certainly the potential for disaster is there but still, the current system is crap so what the heck if anything it'll get us to anarchy faster and that's what we really need at this point.

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50/50, why not? It's not as though the status quo isn't ailing.