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trener zolwia   
30 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

it worked for quiet some time... but times change; we develop, progress and move forward, not back... that's a good thing, isn't it?

One would have to define "progress". The deterioration of marriage and the associated documented costs to society I think are a stretch to call "progress" or somehow "good".

It's actually quite backwards, going back to a primitive time before the concept of marriage even existed. But then most of what passes as "progress" from progressives is backwards and harmful, misguided...
trener zolwia   
30 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

What we are coming to understand more and more in our society is that free will can indeed be exercised all the way into despair. The question remains: who pays for it?

Excellent. I nominate this for Post of the Day.
trener zolwia   
30 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

this change is a promise of a new, fresh beginning where they can be themselves...

...the documented costs to society be damned. Yep, fits the Lib credo...

Who's we? The crowd that wants more government intervention in peoples personal lives?

Huh? It's a simple fact that science shows the shacker-uppers are for the most part the scummy losers.
trener zolwia   
30 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

I believe the only way is the old way where there is a husband and a wife to care and nurture a child.

Agree.

new practices are one of the many " new age" structures that is making this wonderful world coming to an end.

Hope civilization survives all that "progress" from the progressives...

what do you think of those tacky, gaudy, little phone-booth-sized wedding chapels with pink plastic cupids and red plastic ahearts all over the place in Las Vegas and Reno with recorded marriage vows in 439 languages, etc. Somehow those marriages which make a mockery of the holy estate of matrimony

Yeah, they're crap, but at least peeps are getting married in Sin City.

My particular 'pathology' goes even further than that. I don't think that governments should sanction marriage at all! It concerns the personal relationship choices and should not be a law. If one wants a financial contract, by all means, one should get one. That should not entitle you to any special priviledges, tax breaks, special treatment at Thanksgiving dinner...

Oh brother. It is in society's and a nation's best interest to encourage marriage. It adds stability and civility.

They show studies that married couples stay together longer than unmarried couples.

Yes. Science says so.

But aren't people that marry most likely more religious, conservative and more opposed to divorce to start with?
They show that married people are healthier than unmarried couples.

We call these the "good people". In contrast to the scumbags, criminals and dirtballs, the dregs of society whom we have already learned comprise most of the shack-up crowd.

Maybe the lack of prenuptial counselling explains why there are so many divorces in America.

I think if not mandated it should be promoted and encouraged more.

Men have awakened to the fact that marriage is a bad deal for them. They have seen their fathers, brothers, and male friends get shafted because of the unjust court systems which discriminate against men

Yep. there's all that working against marriage too. Again. gotta love all this "progress"... :s
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

Chatting with Japanese women was better, they were more exotic and enigmatic.

This is likely how they saw you as well.

I didn't chase the so-called 'yellow cabs' either.

Lol. Prostitutes??
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

those are dangerous... often hidden behind a computer screen .... creeps!

Hey! >:(

But seriously, think about it... Some young and driven guy doesn't do well with girls so when he finds one he's crazy about he tries the old 'friends first' route... Then, when she needs a place to stay, he thinks 'Hot damn! This is my chance to really get things moving along!'. He thinks having her live there and being around her all the time and giving her money will help him penetrate her chilliness so he can get to penetrating her warm spot. (brilliant plan so far, if she has some feelings for him...)

Once she's there he gets to pawing at her like a puppy. Only problem was that she didn't see him as a potential romantic partner at all. She just needed a sucker ...preferably one that kept his unwanted hands to himself -except for handing her money. And he failed to read her clear rejection signals. Then he starts whining, asking her why she's so chilly to him, further repelling the cold leech... So he comes here and seems to think the big problem is that she doesn't like touching. Lol.
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

creepy-crawly story...

Or a brilliant strategy for a desperate guy. Only he didn't properly read the clear signs she gave him and didn't know when to call it quits...
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

Could it be frigidity? Natural touching is too good not to be liked by normal people.

I think it is a mistake to continue to focus on the lack of touching here. I believe her not wanting him to touch her is just a symptom of much bigger problems for this boy.

If they had been intimate in the past and she changed, this would be different. But since they have never been, as many girls here have stated, she is sending him all the 'get your mitts off me pal you ain't getting any of this' signals.
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

what an idiot telling her about us

Yep. She read this thread. This is why he is 'unable to tell us any more'. She forbid it.
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

I have the answer. Unfortunately for those curious, you will have to use your imagination, because I am unable tell you anything more.

This means that everything will remain just exactly as it was and she has forbid him to tell us anything more.
He's a sucker still clinging to the hope that things will someday change between them... All our advice here has been wasted.

I think she let him get closer to her boobs. my guess is 15 cm proximity is allowed now. without touching, of course.
Good, in a few years they will get to the sad missionary.
without a light.

LMAO! Ornery! :D
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Polish Girl Doesn't Want To Touch. [240]

Whatever happened to popcorn? He pulled us into his story, talked on and on with us, and then he just dumped us

Yeah. Has is been two days yet since the girl was to get back to him?

He is extremely busy right now.

Touching himself? ;)
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

I still don't want to talk to you.

Feelings still hurt?

Here's an AP article from today that say marriages in the US are at a 100 year low.
They seem to blame much of it on the present economy...
trener zolwia   
29 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

To me, marriage does not represent commitment - staying together whether you're married or not, does. Seems much more so when you're not married.

And science would tell you that you're wrong.
But then, we've already been over this...

I do not see marriage remotely similar to joining a gym.

Gym... stealing... Some people have a truly warped view of marriage. :s
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

i also don't think that having kids should be available just to anyone...

Right. Like people already on the public dole...

You can't catch a fish here without having a license but you can have as many kids and let others pay to raise them as you want. Something wrong with this...
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

People keep talking about about failed marriages. How many failed relationships have we all been in. I would venture to say there are a lot more failed relationships out there than marriages. Is this only because there is some economic deterance involved with getting divorced or is it people still try harder when they are married?

Excellent point. I feel this is a level of proof that actually being married acts as a deterrent to splitting up. To some degree anyway...
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

But what you say about self-sacrifice (not the same thing at all, it's more personal, less dictated by convention) strikes a chord with me. It got us (15 years and counting) through a rough patch a while back. Perspective (and a gorgeous 1-year-old boy, the apple of our eyes and all that) shows us what a huge waste it would have been to have thrown in the towel then. Now the love is fully restored, we're closer now than we've ever been.

Nice. Think you would have thrown in the towel had you not had that 'piece of paper' saying you were married?

Now, why should this only happen in a married couple? In an unmarried couple there can be a similar fear of retribution.

I think without that piece of paper there is a lessened sense of duty and commitment.
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

If you look to the other corner of said bar, you will see an old fella, sitting alone, with a pint in front of him and a far off look on his face.

I suspect there are more of these.
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

Today you could leave such a marriage but some would consider this a failure

Sure, the marriage would still be a 'failure'. But the stigma and social shame would not be there. I don't think anyone (except maybe a few old school extremely religious folks) would begrudge anyone for leaving such a union.
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

abusive, unfaithful etc but still together, is it still a success?

Abuse and infidelity are something completely different. Not many today advocate remaining together in such a marriage.

where's the [irony][/irony] tag when you need it?

She's not the brightest sammich in the stable. :s
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

Keep in mind that marriage and breeding is also subsidized to a large degree in most countries... :(

Remaining unmarried and breeding gets its own rewards over here. It's practically encouraged. :s
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

The failure of marriages can I believe be directly linked to the lack of religion in todays society. No stigma. No consequences. No one cares. We are a selfish generation believing in an individuals freedoms over the whole.

Well said.

your theories, one quick question though - any of you are married?

Society and individuals are the better for marriage. One can know this without actually being married. Science backs this knowing.
One need not themselves own a car in order to know it should be operated properly, nor to see the costs to others when it is not.
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

I believe a marriage shared through a religious ceremony is more likely to succeed because of the social stigma attatched with divorce.

Yes, or at least more likely to be worked on rather than just abandoned.

The thing is that there was always a social stigma to non-marriage (live in sin) even in civic society (tax laws, rights to property etc) so the only marriage worth having was a church one in a churchy society.

And the anti-marriage folks have been working to change this stigma to make non-marriage shacking up more socially and fiscally acceptable. But then we've seen the costs that this changing of perceptions rather than embracing marriage has had on society...

facts in these forums often bring out a derisive response from those (usually females) who go with their 'feelings' about things which are usually culturally driven. Often, these 'feelings' are
in complete opposite of reality.

Lol. Yep, Libs too, all about their feelings; things like truth and facts and science be damned...
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

Because of the social stigma of getting a divorce

Some mention such things as if this were somehow bad. But if shame of social pressure caused more couples to try to work out their problems or to seek marriage counselling rather than just taking the easy out and bailing on the marriage when things got rough, then how is this bad?
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

those statistics have more to do with socio-economics

Tired excuse designed to excuse minority and low class scum crime and violence.
Being poor doesn't in itself make one a scumbag. Rather, scumbags are poor because they are scumbags. And they don't marry...
trener zolwia   
28 Sep 2010
Love / Unmarried couples in Poland = pathology [310]

the rate of violence is more than doubled in unmarried than in married couples

There's our chicken-or-egg conclusion: It's not that unmarried couples somehow become scum by cohabiting; but that society's scum chooses to cohabitate without the commitment of marriage. Hardly something to celebrate... Who would want to mimic that?

haven't seen you having a nice polite conversation for a while

Lie. Get off my leg and MYOB.