History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]

This thread is about events ocurring in the German ruled part of Partitioned Poland. It is not about Second Republic educational policy nor is it about Norman Davies' reputation as a historian. Remove the off-topic posts and ban the trolls making them.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


This thread is about Polish students being subjected to beatings rather than submit to Germanization in 1901 Partitioned Poland. Do you really believe that the resistance of some Polish aristocrats to the May 3rd constitution of 1791, one hundred and ten years earlier, somehow negates this thread's proof that the Poles of 1901 did value freedom and liberty? I suspect you don't really believe this but you made this ridiculous assertion because you are insanely angry at Polish-Americans and you are maniacally driven to oppose anything we say on this forum. Do you understand why you keep getting suspended from this forum? You are littering this forum's threads with nonsense, and unpleasantness, because of your Idée fixe

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


Resisting being forced to pray in German, rather than Polish, in German occupied Poland, is an obvious example proving that Poles in 1900 did indeed believe in liberty and freedom.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


This is of course true, but Orientalism is a special variety of this stereotyping of the of the other, because the party doing the Orientalizing is in a position of political dominance over those Orientalized, and the dehumanizing characterizations of the stereotyping ascribe specific attritbutes, such as primitive irrationality, childishness, and an inability to effectively govern themselves, to those so Orientalized.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


Do you own a time machine that has allowed you to visit Poland in 1900, or does your current presence in Poland somehow give you psychic insights into Poland of 1900, and you believe that if I traveled to Poland I would be privy to the same? (Are you going insane?)

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


You have made the point over, and over again, that you do not believe the students devised the protest on their own, but you have no real evidence that the parents did indeed orchestrate this protest, and so you have given the article writers absolutely no reason to change their title. The fact remains that despite being beaten the students continued to resist for years, and they were thus "unbreakable", moreover, the title would still be apt even if their parents had encouraged them, for it refers to their resistance to Germanization despite being beaten by the agents of Germanization. You cannot be stupid enough to believe that these 12-13 year olds would've been indifferent to Germanization were it not for their patriotic parents, because children living under foreign occupation do not need no parental guidance to want to resist their oppressors. Resistance to injustice comes naturally to Poles, and to Polonia, at ages even younger than 12 years.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


Wrong, it is about comparing Poland's experience with Orientalism with that of other nations, most especially that of Palestine, as the author of the book Orientalism, the late Edward Said, is a Palestinian and many of the Zionists who've oppressed his people were born in Poland. I would like to thank you, Yehudi, for coming onto this thread and calling Muslim people "somewhat primitive" because you thus gave the reader an example an example of contemporary Orientalism, that is of a kind with the denegrating characterizations of Poles that Germans occupying partitioned Poland used to justify their own oppressive reign.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


What am I lacking? Just some vague "something" or does your presence on this thread have an actual point?

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


The Orientalism being discussed herein is not about Occidentals adopting Oriental costumes, were that the case the turban wearing Polish Sarmats of past centuries would be guilty of it too, but rather it is about Occidentals creating dehumanizing characterizations of peoples of the East in order to thereby justify their dominance over them and the British surely did this. You know the "white man's burden".

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


These statistics are not relevant as most Muslims do not live in the vicinity of occupied Palestine, but rather in Asia and Africa, and a significant portion of Palestinians and Lebanese murdered by Zionists were Christians not Muslims.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


The Zionist entity in Palestine terrorizes its neighbors and kills far more people in the region than any other state, and the Zionists justify this brutal behavior by calling their victims "primitive" like typical Orientalists.


The British imperialists, most of whom were not Jewish, that enabled the creation of this "Jewish state" did so to have a colonial attack dog in the area to be used to brutalize Arabs if they stepped out of line with British and Western demands. Independant Poland was partitioned at the end of the 18th century by foriegn powers. Judea hadn't been an independant state since the 6th century BC and Judaism in the 25 intervening centuries was an international religion that anyone could convert to. Petending that all the Jews who came as immigrants to colonize Palestine in the 20th Century were the direct descendants of the Jews living in the area over two-thousand years ago is laughable, and pretending that the Ashkenazim that ethnically cleansed the much of the area of its indigenous population were anything like the indigenous Poles that struggled for their freedom in Poland is insulting to Poland. Poland and the Zionist entity in Palestine have little in common, but partitioned Poland and partitioned Palestine do.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


"Their land" was full of Arabs and the Zionists willfully displaced these Arabs and the Zionists continue to brutalize these and other Arabs. Pretending Zionism's "driving force" has nothing to do with Arabs is laughably disingenuous as well as superficial.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


Read the original post of this thread and see that it explicitly compares partitioned Poland with Palestine today. Zionist Orientalist attitudes towards Arabs echo German Orientalist attitudes towards Poles both are racist and deserving of contempt.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


As if the Hebrew speaking soldiers occupying the West Bank that deny the Palestinians their human rights wouldn't be hated by Palestinian youths unless said youths' political leaders told them to, or as if the German authorities trying to stamp out the Polish language in occupied Poland would've been obeyed by Polish youths unless their parents told them to resist. Both of these false scenarios are insulting to the dignity of youthful resistance to foreign occupation. One needn't be very old to despise illegitimate authorities and to act upon this justified spite.


I have been naught but civil. You should admit that the Polish youths that endured corporal punishment rather than submit to Germanization were indeed heroic.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


The Other your naivete regarding the proclivity for teenage students to protest without parental instigation is laughable, and, I suspect, it is feigned so that you can dismiss a true instance of Polish bravery as a fabrication by "typically melodramatic Poles". Stereotyping is the recourse of inferior minds.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


I was just offering it a possible explanation for his disdain. I actually believe that the following alternative is more likely, but I wasn't going to mention it for reasons of discretion: All of the German girls he had made love to were ugly. You can't blame a guy his age for wanting to get his rocks off with any girl that's willing, but this prurient conjecture, as probable as I think it is, is tertiary, at best, to the thread’s main topic which is the student protest defying Germanization.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


Sexual precociousness is nothing new and I doubt that there has ever been a society on earth that could keep all of their 14 year old kids chaste.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


This student protest was not stupid. As for the boy's opinion regarding the German girls perhaps he meant that these girls had ugly personalities which were influenced by an imperious attitude the German minority in the town may have had as its settler overlords, perhaps the German girls around his age in the town were all really physically ugly. It was a small town. In any event it was a sentence he wrote in a notebook which is not an act of protest anyway.

History / Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly' [128]


but millions upon millions of rocks thrown by children of these ages in occupied Palestine are hard evidence to the contrary.

Language / Polish war cries/battle sayings [21]

In Jan Pasek's memoirs he wrote that when he and other Poles were storming a Swedish occupied castle they carried bales of hay in front of them to absorb the bullets being fired by the Swedes and that the majority of Poles were yelling "Woo Hooo!" as they ran into the gunfire, but that he, being unaware of any "Lord Woo Hoo" in heaven with the power to intercede on his behalf, opted to yell the names of Jesus and Mary.

Life / Poland has to pick a nation and accept 3 million people of that nation - who do you choose [59]


French women.

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]


I am in complete agreement with his writings on the subject of the Kurgan hypothesis.

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]


I copied, pasted, and googled something PolskiMoc said on this forum and it showed stormfront and I read a bit of the Neo-Nazi crowd there insulting Polski-Moc for his "Poles are the master-race" theory which didn't seem to be going over well as all his fellow posters were dead set on recognizing Germanics for this imaginary distinction. If the Kurgan hypothesis is true it was merely due to an accident of history that somewhere, perhaps in the Pontic Steppes, someone figured out how to get horses to pull wheeled vehicles and this gave these people a military advantage which they used to spread out. From then on it has been in good measure equestrion innovations, such as the Avar's stirrup, that have enabled wave after wave of similar peoples to do the same thing in subsequent ages, but none of these peoples has inherently been a master race because there is just one human race.

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]

You understood it and it is true, it does seem to be real phsyical evidence for the truth of Marija Gimbutas's Kurgan hypothesis.

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]

Indians are indeed very diverse, but it is not true that the sub-continent has only been united under various foriegn invaders. The Mauryan Empire was most certainly indigenous.

Feedback / PolishForums Motto? :) [149]

Harry is most certainly "the Ugly".

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]

You should reread his posts Seanus and thus be disabused of your false belief regarding Yehudi's lack of a hardline stance. He thinks all of Palestine should be for the Jews and he opposes the Palestinian right of return as well as the granting of Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians that have been subject to Israeli military rule for the last 44 years. He only comes to this Polish forum to spread Zionist propaganda, at least he does it poorly, but that is because he is somewhat dim, and not for lack of trying.

History / Poland and Orientalism [115]


Nowhere in this thead is it claimed that Poles are now calling themselves Oriental. This thead is about how Germans had an Orientalist attitude towards Poles. Yehudi, you are a Zionist living in occupied Palestine and that makes you somewhat knowledgable regarding Orientalism. Realize that many of the disgusting prejudices you hold about Palestinians, and other arabs, were also held by Germans about Poles when they were occupying Polish land and brutalizing Poles.

Feedback / Why are there so many on here, who do not like Poland [150]


Seanus you should've read Rebirth's threads before you stupidly assumed that he is "striving for the truth". He is here merely to insult Poles and Polonia.

History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]


In the documentary Shtetl which examines the history of Bransk it did say that Gentiles had to be granted special permission by the Jewish townsfolk in order to be allowed to live in the settlement's central "downtown" area.