History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]


Here is some info:

Trans.: According to one of the name's origin versions - "Kyjiv" comes from "kyj" - the symbol of the ruler's power, might. It means Kyjiv - the city, where is located "kyj", synonim to the word "capital" (place of the ruler's throne). Thus, it should be taken into consideration that people could have started to call by the name "kyj" their ruler, which later historians began to treat as a proper name of the ruler - Kyj (one of the 3 legendary brothers and their sister - founders of the city).

Having said that the etymology of the word has the following meanining depending on the epoch you are talking about: кіл - pole, stick (as you said in regards to the defense system of the city) and жезл, булава, скипетр - basically, symbols of power (such as scepter). So we both are correct.


Thank you for a lesson on what a dam is. Fortunately, I had a previous knowledge on this matter ;)


Please, link the two definitions you presented here. AnndY added also "together as a dam". In what way can one make such a translation: from "beyond the rapids" into "such a dam" or "together as a dam"? Though "beyond the dam" or as I (an amature interpreter) said "behind the river barriers" is more appropriate translation. Nothing of "together" or "such" at the least ;)

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]

Joe put it out really nice in his post #51. Thanks, Joe.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


I think sooner ;) The only worry it presents the whole world might be sucked into the war.

History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]


I thought so, thank you ;)


So which part means "the hand"? "w" or "e"? ;) In additions your first statement said "sticks".

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


Exactly. And Afghani mothers and sisters feel the same. All is being done right now is to make things worse just to feed hungry war machine and parasites sucking off it. People die of genocide in Africa, there is nuclear threat from Korea,...What is being done out there? Nobody cares. Not even peace-supporting troops are being sent there. Chasing guys growing poppy seeds in the mountains, murdering along the way innocent civilians, this is the priority.

History / Was the Polish/ Lithuanian commonwealth a European power? [111]


How was it called in V-XI centuries then? Chupacabra? And Kijiw is thought to come from a word "kyj", which means a "spear".


They left the name? ;) What else did they leave? Show me a single source that they were there at all. It is something completely new to me.


Zaporizhya means "behind the river barriers", nothing of "together" or "such a dam".
How could porohy be an obstacle for horses to pass???? Unless you decide to use horses like ships to travel down the river ;)


Exactly, they were the best place to cross the river for being shallow, not an obstacle. It was hindrance for boats.

History / Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map! [198]


Exactly, who needs irrelevant countries?!


Who has them? ;)


No, it would interesting to get a face punch for even having such a retarded idea as subjugating anyone. All the governments making their countries to participate in military operations in Afghanistan are a bunch of crooks and degenerates who have no value of their citizens and especially soldiers.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I completely understand Macedonian and agree with you on that issue. They should pay 0 attention to what Greeks or Turks think and treat them with the same card. Arrogance and disrespect will never be cured with diplomacy.

History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]

I know and I don't argue :)

Travel / MEDYKA TO LWOW TO KIEV...whats the road like...? [19]


Nice, have fun! :)

Travel / MEDYKA TO LWOW TO KIEV...whats the road like...? [19]


I cannot agree more :)


I wish all the best in your love, but if you decide to dump your Russian girlfriend, then the Dnieper is the best river to do it ;)

Travel / MEDYKA TO LWOW TO KIEV...whats the road like...? [19]


Well, first of all Kijiv is famous for its chestnuts and their blossom in May-June. So this is, probably, the best time to visit:

wumag.kiev.ua/index2.php?param=pgs20092/18

If you are interested in Kijiv from architectural point of view, then:

Kievo_pechers'ka Lavra - the oldest monastery of Ukraine, based on the caves of monks living by the Dnipro river. It is a place of many saints of Orthodox church burial, dating back to XI century.

The Cathedral of Dormition

Andrijivskij Uzviz - the oldest street in Kijiv, on its steep descent there are ancient buildings, churches, always crowded by young painters and people selling books, works of art, souvenirs etc.:



At its top there is a famous St. Andrew's church of XVII century:

The Golden Gates of Kijiv:

Independance square - famous for its multiple historical events, but recently for the place of Orange revolution main location - Majdan Nezalezhnosti:

The Dniper, the 4th largest river in Europe, flows through Kijiv and Ukraine into the Black Sea. There are summer cruises in the summer time down the river. On the way you may visit Kaniv, place of burial Of Taras Shevchenko - the greatest Ukrainian poet of all times:

or go further to Khortytzya, the largest island on the Dnieper - the holy place of Ukrainian patriots, Zaporozhian Cossacks military base, where they lived and took decisions regarding wars with multiple enemies of the Ukrainian state:

Kijiv National Opera House:

Here is a photo of a bandurist playing his instrument:

Presidential residence - Mariinsky Palace:

This might be interesting place too:

Magdeburg Right Column:

This is just a small part of what Kijiv has to offer. You will find tons and tons of places to go to: museums, historical places, concerts, nightclubs,.. This city dates back to 5th century (when it was a little settlement).

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Let see what other Polish think:




Well, Torq? I know you mastered several languages with ease and it is not a big deal for you to understand other languages or dialects, but as you see opinion of the above-mentioned people states that on average the situation in language comprehension is not such 110% or 90% sure as you try to depict :)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Torq, I am not talking about who is who, about a pope or your grandparents, for crying out loud ;) (let's all cry). I am talking about LANGUAGE or DIALECT and its understanding. You won't be able to conduct state affairs neither with Góral, nor Kashub if they spoke in their languages. This is all I was trying to convey to king polkamon in regards to Macedonian.

In Ukraine we have Hutsuls whose language or dialect I cannot understand. In school we read a book written in this language and under each page there were translations into Ukrainian.


Does she talk to you in Kashub language? I know someone who is from Gdansk and she doesn't understand when her parents talk to her uncle in Kashub.


Where did I say that they don't feel Polish, be so kind to quote, ars*hole? Don't regional minorities speak other languages in Poland? Or you think they are as limited as you, mf?

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

You are welcome, Trevek. I didn't know about the article in Macedonian. I think it is quite a rarity in Slavonic languages.


Where are you from, king polkagamon? If you are from Poland, tell me whether you would be able to conduct business on a personal, not even state, level with a Gural or Kashub? And here we are talking about separate languages. Do Bulgarians use interpreters as well? If yes, why?

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I usually draw similarities between the two languages in comparison to Spanish and Portuguese. On average Spanish speakers have difficulty in speaking Portuguese, while Portuguese don't experience difficulty in speaking and understanding Spanish. The same I may say about Ukrainian and Polish. Poles, on average, don't understand Ukrainan, while for Ukrainians it isn't a big deal to understand Polish. I used to work with many Polish people (more than 30) and I didn't meet a person able to understand at least 50% of my conversation. The languages share many similarities. But recently listening to Slovenian and even Macedonian programs on TV I picked easily more than 50% of the conversations, even though Slovenians and Macedonians are on the other pole of the Slavic world. Lots of words in them sounded the same, but carried other meanings, which one could figure out since it resembles some other word from your language. Let's say an invented Slovenian word "plywak", which let's say means "boat" in Slovenian. In Ukrainian "boat" is "choven", but... their word is similar to "plawaty", which means "to swim, to float" and one can easily understand what the other wants to say.


I would say 1,000 years, no - 20,000. We used to paint caves together ;)


You had me at sex, the rest wasn't necessary ;)


You missed the meaning of the expansion ;)

Love / What do foreign women think of Polish men? [120]


Maybe, the reason is of unprofessional handling of the fish. You have to be delicate, because the luck is very slippery. After cooking it slowly with your charm, adding the spices and parsley, you need to patiently remove the skin and god forbid using teeth, you dirty animal - No, with your lips slowly taste the delicacy in front of you. Use you tongue more than hands, know the spots which need special attention. Be a water to a fish and even a dead clam will sing a song of angels, my friend :)

Love / What do foreign women think of Polish men? [120]


How you treat your local cold fish? ;))))))

Love / What do foreign women think of Polish men? [120]


Damn, the end of the world is coming. Soon both will be lying like pancakes and only newspaper will be moaning ;)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Thanks, Seanus.


The thread is some joke produced by Polish intellectual Ksysia. Nobody learnt anything. For more info read my post # 92.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Well, you didn't pronounce it quite right. You would have to say "u beelomu sneehu" the words I wrote. But you were pretty close, Seanus. Congratulation. I wouldn't mind learning to say the same in Scottish :) Thanks.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


"у білому снігу"
You can't demand ignorance to learn, Seanus ;)


Nation's survival never lies in the hands of allies, it lies within the nation. Only its will determines its future, not allies or enemies.


No, the sex was great, but you eventually gave preference to Ukrainian sticks instead of d*cks and it spoiled the relationship. Too much expansion occurred on the interaction line and you became dissatisfied ;) I can imagine when three empires came over, it released a bit of your passionate naughtiness - their tools covered what one couldn't ;)

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]

Good point, Harry.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


You made obstacles, because it was a war
And we were too savage to slow ourselves down ;)


No, I mean a beautiful country Ukraine, which I love not because I have a Mercedes (I don't), not because I have caviar on the table (I don't), but because it is my country and I will go through bad and good with it.


S, stick this pencil up your ars*. Do you think I give a slightest crap about respect from others, especially from you? ;)

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


I don't know much about the matter, so I won't expand too much. But how could they identify the enemy sub if it was night, snowing and windy? I guess they just didn't try to do it.

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


Do you have to surface the whole submarine to make a contact? You don't watch you TV on the roof, correct? Everytime you want to watch European Premier League you don't look for a ladder?! ;) And what about radio location of the target? Doesn't it use radio waves under water to find the target? You might not use them for communication, but still... He could easily find out what or whom the ship was carrying, and he most likely did, but he sink it on the orders.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


No, I read everything you said. And you didn't mean the WAR, my dear:


you meant the Orange revolution.


Thanks for an offer, but I am not a bit interested.


It's more like separating you and ignorance. We just enjoy living in our own country, which Ukrainians fought for centuries. Anytime, you are willing to have your churches burnt, education suppressed, people thrown into jails and get our language forcefully shoved into your throats and give up your statehood, let me know: we will form One Thing or wtf ever you call it.


Krysia, just take a break. You are losing it ;)Trust me, I belong to MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more beautiful thing that you will ever imagine with your chauvinistic, narrow-minded attitude.


Vice versa.

History / The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened [66]


To verify unknown you don't have to make a boarding party, wildy ;) Radio as a mean of communication was utilized by US navy since 1912. It means that by 1945 the Soviet Union should have had it on submarines as well ;)


It could have been easily British, American, Swedish etc. ships. Very light probability at that specific time, but you couldn't be 100% sure. It could have damage the relations among the allies and the SU didn't want it.


All I am saying is he couldn't have not known. He knew what that ship was. The captain was, probably, following the orders of sinking everything moving without distinction. I see we agree on that one.

Life / Doctors taking bribes in Poland [76]

Not any more than an unofficial salary ;)
Many doctors are not paid enough to support their families:


Since their skills are involved with the most important thing we have - health - constant practice is essential for a doctor. We cannot expect them to be looking to earn some extra cash in some other field in meantime. It is possible, of course, but I think in case of doctors it is unrecommendable - simply for our own sake as patients. This is why doctors take bribes. Wouldn't anyone of you? You can be fair and all that when you are on your own, but when you have a kid and wife, it is tough. Once I paid doctor what may be understood as bribe. He didn't ask, but it is unwritten law if you want to make things moving. In my case it was Ukraine. It was one of the most uncomfortable moments in my life, I have to say. But this is what happens when people are not paid what they are supposed to. And what are they supposed to? At least, to be able to live on your salary, be able to buy food for your family and maybe, go for a week vacation once a year. In some Western countries you may wait in line forever to get an operation, but as soon as you put the cash on table, you get the op done the same day. Maybe, I am saying obvious things, but many of these were new to me.


It is not a fault of everyone endo out there and the main accusation, in my opinion, should be directed to the government not to the docs.

Law / CONNECTING POLAND AND CHINA: MARIE CURIE "TRANSFER OF KNOWLEDGE" [5]


What would you say about times when Chinese where using gunpowder to blow armies and wrote poetry on paper when our ancestors where running half naked with feathers on their butts and with sticks killing each other and trying to scribble swear-words with a stone on a rock? What was the direction of the knowledge flow then? It is not constant, my friend. We use each other's advances to make things better. Exchange of the experience is the only way to move forward :)