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Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Thanks. I try to be as objective as possible.

So not only do you edit wikipedia when you can't win otherwise and then quote yourself but you also change my quotes? Must be that famous ukrainian intellect that made ukraine so famous for its many scientists and artists...oh wait.

. It is very interesting to discover people of Polish and Ukrainian upbringing to work together against adversaries

You'd love that wouldnt you? You'd love for Poles to forget that the primary activity of UPA was murdering polish civilians not fighting anyone, you'd love Poles to swallow ukrainian version of history where ukrainians never murdered 250.000 polish civilians, where they didnt ally themselves with Germans and served in SS.

Sorry Nathan there can't be reconcilliation if the price of it is to do that on the corpses of people your nation murdered.
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Absolutely. He was an incredibly intelligent man, colonel at 23!, hard-working person who would have made so much more if not killed at age of 44 by Soviet communists.

He claimed that ukrainian crimes on polish civilians were a neccesity!

He proved many times to be a pathetic zero who wastes his time in writing nonsense instead of contributing something of value. Every society has its scum - nothing you can do.

Just because much of ukrainian history is a string of shamefull episodes doesnt mean i'm scum for bringing it up.

Its also worth to note that many of the OUN-M of which Sciborski was a leading member would later serve in SS and participate in some of the more heinous crimes, even for ukrainians who during WW2 in cruelty exceeded both the Germans and Russians, murdering Poles, Jews and even fellow ukrainians in horrific manner.
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Good for Mikolaj! Very unfortunate he was killed; he could have been a great example for helping Ukrainian-Polish relations during and after the war.

Brenshar you do realise that Ściborski postulated murdering the entire polish elite and was an ardent soviet supporter? Carefull whom you're defending.
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

HAHAHA Sokrates you for sure hate ukrainians more then me xD

I do not hate ukrainians, the sad part is everything i wrote here is true and can be easily proven with online sources if challenged.

Ukraine is built on nazi ideology and fascist history as well as graves of polish, jewish and to lesser extent ukrainian victims of what Nathan calls "ukrainian ideology".

Everything else i wrote also stands as historical truth.
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

You have a very limited idea about what an ideology is.

Achieve independence by murdering defencless polish civilians.

It has very little to do with discussing wars against "women and children".

But ukrainians waged war on defencless civilians exactly because of their ideology, do you want me to quote UPA and OUN in what their ideology was? The national heroes of ukraine quite explicitly stated that their goal is to murder polish civilians because they can't defeat Poland in any other way.

you would understand that he was involved in developing new state foundations which would bring unity to different sides of conflict and be therefore, successful in repulsing Soviet agression, not only in Ukraine, but in Poland as well.

I'm sorry but Poland was succesfull in repulsing Soviet agression as early as 1920, its only ukraine that failed miserably.

Poland despite being a much smaller nation managed to mobilise nearly a milion men in the space of less than four months, ukraine failed to mobilise even 60.000.

Thats a pretty awesome nation though, in times of dire need ukrainians were able to give only 60.000 men, thats least then 1/10th of what Poland mustered!
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Ukrainian national ideology

ukrainian national ideology boils down to murdering polish women and children and running away from polish military.

Also an important part of ukrainian ideology is to talk about a single war ukraine managed not to lose against Poland (it didnt win but it didnt lose either so its something!) and ignore the other 8 wars in which they got thoroughly pwned, including the 1918 war when their most elite units were beaten by polish children aged 12-18 in Lwów.
Sokrates   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Notice how he did not murder polish women and children the way ukrainian "freedom fighters" did.

Also its only natural ukrainians would need someone from outside to write a contitution for them given they never had a political elite being peasants and all.
Sokrates   
17 Aug 2010
News / Newsweek's The World's Best Countries (Poland ranked 29) [128]

Sokrates, many Rabbis happen to be principled and perceptive.

All rabbies abuse children and little bunnies, no such thing as a decent rabbi.

On a more serious note while Israel has its high spots i dont see how it got the place, all others i pretty much agree with except with US, the life of an average Joe in US is not much better than in Poland.
Sokrates   
17 Aug 2010
News / Newsweek's The World's Best Countries (Poland ranked 29) [128]

Finnish people worship satan and live in a radioactive wasteland f*cking goats.

No i'm not jealous.

Also how did Israel even got there, the country is full of jews, that pretty much makes it hell.
Sokrates   
15 Aug 2010
Life / Polish people and Politeness [84]

Well, I am whiter than most Poles and

Rubbish i've seen your picture, you're black as night, i'd sell you to a sugar plantation without second thought Sean.

you can't tell me that thanks are given for holding doors open when time after time I don't receive any.

Well obviously they're not given to you *hint*.
Sokrates   
15 Aug 2010
Life / Polish people and Politeness [84]

I'm with Trevek on the door opening point. I've only once here had a 'dziękuję' and I hold it open very often.

Thats because you're black Sean, i explained it to you many times, having murdered Mel Gibson you, like all Scots became a bunch of n*ggers and dont deserve politeness, even huge swords and bagpipes dont even the score, it was MEL GIBSON.
Sokrates   
15 Aug 2010
UK, Ireland / Homeless Poles living on barbecued rats and alcoholic handwash? [62]

Rat burgers and swan pies hmmmmmmmmmm.

1/4 of all homeless are Poles bearing completely russian names. i call it bullsh*t. Back when i was in London i saw my fair share of Poles on the streets, doubt they ate rats and they were definitely crowded out by negros, pakis and the colorfull merry lot squatting on the same streets.
Sokrates   
14 Aug 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]

It was never an old ukrainian territory, its ukrainian for a whooping 65 years, prior to that it has been polish for over 500 years.

Before that period the place was the part of the Duchy of Ruś Halicka which had no connection with modern Ukraine, the deepest modern Ukraine can trace its roots is to 18 century and Mazepa who first brought the modern concept of Ukraine to mass consciousness (even though he was ready to sell it for a pretty penny if it so suited him).
Sokrates   
14 Aug 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]

Can you stop being an idiot? I like you but between "decent Putin" "Taliban being top notch military" and stuff like this its getting painfull.

You know nothing about politics, history and polish politics and history specifically, i dont as of rule respect other peoples views unless they're based on solid knowledge, i try hard to respect yours Sean simply because you're a smart and decent human being and i like you for that but its becoming hard with silly attempts at being provocative or wild shot statements like that.

As for Kresy its the old polish territory thats currently under the administration of Belarus and Ukraine, it encompasses Grodno, Lwów and Wilno (though Wilno is a Lithuanian city and always was despite the polish majority that so greatly contributed to it in the last centuries).
Sokrates   
11 Aug 2010
Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]

I don't belive no one mentioned it yet! My bro had a cassete player. I remember when we were loading the games and that red-black stripped screen ;) And I was only 3-6 years old.

Pegasus!
Sokrates   
11 Aug 2010
Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]

Offensive content removed.

Wasnt the "Turbo" gum the one with car stickers? I still remember the He-Man action figures and Matchbox soldiers as well as russian made metal tank models.

Also the polish made hand painted soldiers, i still have an army of 1200~ Uhlans.
Sokrates   
10 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

All but three of which aren't aristocratic, and of those three, two aren't Polish.

All of them used in Poland and all of them denoted aristocracy thru administrative power like the Duke did (high commander)
Sokrates   
10 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

s are irrelevant.

So why are you asking about them?

Titles are not legally recognised under the Polish constitution and that is an end to the matter.

Well they're recognized among the noble families of Europe though.

Closer to the topic, there were very few aristocratic titles, barely a handful of them, recognised by either the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or the Royal Republic (and most of those were Gedemin titles on the Lithuanian side). Most titles were given by the partitioning powers somewhat later.

I'm sorry but you're an ignorant sob who doesnt know a first thing about Poland or polish history, there were a LOT of aristocratic titles that were coupled with administrative power.

Voivod, starost, count, prince, governor, baron, chamberlain, royal chaser, royal guardian, grand lithuanian guardian, grand crown guardian, grand field guardian.

Though in Poland aristocracy had a different meaning, noble class was huge so only those nobles who had enough wealth and power could be called magnates.

For example Jan Zamojski while not even a prince was considered one of the prime marriage candidates by all european royal families, his income was equal to that of Switzerland and he could muster an army as large as Austria itself.
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

Jonni you want to know more about hereditary customs of polish noble families i can forward you an e-mail to the guy who's a specialist in those things on pm, its not only his job its his passion so i imagine he'll be more then happy to give you extensive explanation now back to the topic.
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

I know someone famous....whoa...:)

Welllllll i used to be famous back in my student days, i could belch for 5 seconds without pause, twas an achievement no one could match! Had my five minutes when i almost puked on our deans car the same evening and they still tell stories of that a few years after i graduated, not quite Michael Jackson but hey fame is fame.
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

Ennobled by whom?

Family council.

Titles must have a government or judicial authority who recognise, grant and confirm them. Not some association or club

Wrong sir, a council has the right to ennoble someone, he's drawn under the same coat of arms but unless adopted (which also happens) will not inherit any titles which will however go to his descendants provided there's no direct male descendants and he married the female bearer of the title, basically she carries the title over to her kids but in order for it to pass through her spouse has to be ennobled under rules of legitimism.

A family council may not grant a title however unless someone is legally adopted.

Otherwise they have no formal status at all. None. Nada. Zilch.

According to law they dont have any anyway, but according to its legitimistic branch the family members are recognized according to above.

Poland does not recognise titles, and has not done so since independence.

Which doesnt mean there's no people who take care of such things, its not as easy as saying "you're a noble" ennobling requires consent of the senior council of one or more major families and is done by a highly titled senior member, if a family has no such member its delegated to one of the other senior families (used to be a prince but they're not always available).

which does not mean that it was successful.

Pal all your nobles decided they prefer to be Polish rather than ukrainian so who're you to talk?
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2010
History / United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth [74]

So will the title pass on to you?

Today its shuffled so that even if the maternal line is the noble one the father will often get ennobled just to keep the line, they just wait till he's a sure bet, like 20 years into the marriage.

So when you say sideline do you mean that you're family were adopted by the Rzewuski family or just another branch? since Rzewuski didn't have another branch ;)

They did have seven and still have four branch lines, in family terms the relationship to the main line is cousins, only two of these lines use Rzewuski surname, all share family ties and elements of the coat of arms.

Rzewuski-Szczęsny and Rzewuski-Dzialynski are the two lines using the name, Szeptyński and Zaruski are the two other lines, the other 3 died out.

Rzewuski family betrayed their own country, one of them even got hanged for it :)

We all make mistakes buddy, sometimes f*cking huge mistakes, my grandparents were fighting in 1919, 1920, 1939, were members of KOR... We paid our debt besides Seweryn was my umpteen great grandcousin or something so its not exactly a straight shot between us.

Also he wasnt hanged David, he fled and was executed in effigie (they hanged his portrait) he died in Vienna.

Lord Sokrates of Rzewuscy will not fit on as your user name :-)

I'm a pompous pr*ck with just Sokrates, add a bit more to my ego and reality will collapse.

The title didn't mean **** in Poland. it was actually more of a family shame. Aloot of families in Poland without titles were richer then those with titles.

The title meant a lot, today it doesnt mean anything, the only difference between nobles and the rest is that they stick to tradition, have loads of bloody boring get togethers and thats about it, they're normal average joes living normal lives.

Personally knowing how it looked in interwar Poland where the most capable people couldnt get a position they'd do most good in because they didnt have a "sir" before their name,i think its for the best.