Ironside
31 Jul 2010
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]
sure, about borders should decide country;s to each other - British made up Curzon line (Napier labour).
In exchange Poland should designate what borders Britain should have !
yes, curzon line
sure, about borders should decide country;s to each other - British made up Curzon line (Napier labour).
In exchange Poland should designate what borders Britain should have !
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
You do! Time to face it!
In Poland many Jews were commie,
what occurrences ?
That the purest no-sense I ever heard ! M-G no wonder we cannot discuss you just don't have a clue!:D
You know few facts and few lies you take as face value and you stick to them because you don't really know much.
Your confabulation about CC - priceless and unreal :)
Well, I doubt it!
There was conflict that for sure !
I actually don't,
You do! Time to face it!
found that some Jews were commie,
In Poland many Jews were commie,
who deny obvious ocurrences
what occurrences ?
My explanation would be that the CC knew there were Poles and Jews commie, however, they could not get themselves to blame the Poles for this as they were Catholics, so they turned to the Jews, an easy target as they were different and not part of the Catholic group.
That the purest no-sense I ever heard ! M-G no wonder we cannot discuss you just don't have a clue!:D
You know few facts and few lies you take as face value and you stick to them because you don't really know much.
Your confabulation about CC - priceless and unreal :)
Pilsudski liked the Jews
Well, I doubt it!
but it was there
There was conflict that for sure !
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
Work / Moving for TEFL job to Poland, what can I expect? [12]
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Ironside
31 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
you could propose new thread but no .....dodger :P
you know I'm right :)
you could propose new thread but no .....dodger :P
you know I'm right :)
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
dodger!!!!:)
Many times I don't react when something is truthful or without bias, many times I criticize some things about Poland myself!
Ask anyone !
It doesn't mean that I jump and say - yessss! you are right there very often..
sure, on a Ukrainian forum, because this is POLISH a forum and the that is why Polish- Jewish relationships are discussed.
dodger!!!!:)
When was the last time you didn't jump on your hind legs when sb said sth unfavourable about Poland, the Poles or Polish history?
Many times I don't react when something is truthful or without bias, many times I criticize some things about Poland myself!
Ask anyone !
It doesn't mean that I jump and say - yessss! you are right there very often..
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
not true !
why because I do not agree with your biased views!
You deny just about anything that's not favourable in Polish history.
not true !
That's very funny coming from YOU
why because I do not agree with your biased views!
Ironside
31 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
You know, I know one thing about you, and this is not game or insult but the way I read you!
You pretend to ask question, to pursue the truth and some people maybe are buying it!
I don't by it! I know you are biased as it get when it comes to Polish history and special Jewish Polish history if you forgive me that lame expression!
Why don't you come clean and we can have honest discussion?
Well, I keep forgetting that you would need an open mind.
let's talk about Ukrainians and Jew, shall we ??
You know
You know, I know one thing about you, and this is not game or insult but the way I read you!
You pretend to ask question, to pursue the truth and some people maybe are buying it!
I don't by it! I know you are biased as it get when it comes to Polish history and special Jewish Polish history if you forgive me that lame expression!
Why don't you come clean and we can have honest discussion?
Well, I keep forgetting that you would need an open mind.
whatever you say.
let's talk about Ukrainians and Jew, shall we ??
Ironside
30 Jul 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]
good Jozef, you got the gist of it !
maybe you have low standards ?
Jozef
good Jozef, you got the gist of it !
Poland is doing just fine as it is.
maybe you have low standards ?
Ironside
30 Jul 2010
Ironside
30 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
If he'll ask honestly, he'll get the truth not some biased interpretation like Gross's lies for example!
If he'll ask honestly, he'll get the truth not some biased interpretation like Gross's lies for example!
Ironside
30 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
**** you Bald-omir you fool nobody , you lousy **** !
Its is not question is a statement if is a question where is question mark?
Assuming that you asked question the answer is nay!
Endacja wasn't state sponsored ant-Semitism - it was movement political and ideological with the aim of strengthen Polish element in the Polish state and to ram home that in Poland, Poles are making rules not some minorities !
It wasn't aimed solely against Jews and element of "blood" present in anti-Semitic literate, wasn't there!
It seemed that state was prone to accept this ideology become, Polish state at the time had a vision of STRONG POLISH State - but it wasn't so!
I mean state didn't implemented endecja ideology !
At the time not only Jew but Ukrainian were disloyal citizens of Poland !
that was the times - political movements were violent to each other (Jewish workers beat to dead Polish student !)
what are you fishing for ? Ask away !
I will answer honestly
well, and you concentrate on no glorious event - how glorious of you, not!
If you was really curious you would ask about Jews in Poland and set timetable!
And besides, since you regard being called Einstein and being mentioned as one the world's smartest ppl, I would indeed call it an insult - for Einstein.
**** you Bald-omir you fool nobody , you lousy **** !
I ask a question and indeed, the question is enough to get some on their hind legs, which doesn't surprise me at all from you.
Its is not question is a statement if is a question where is question mark?
Assuming that you asked question the answer is nay!
Endacja wasn't state sponsored ant-Semitism - it was movement political and ideological with the aim of strengthen Polish element in the Polish state and to ram home that in Poland, Poles are making rules not some minorities !
It wasn't aimed solely against Jews and element of "blood" present in anti-Semitic literate, wasn't there!
It seemed that state was prone to accept this ideology become, Polish state at the time had a vision of STRONG POLISH State - but it wasn't so!
I mean state didn't implemented endecja ideology !
At the time not only Jew but Ukrainian were disloyal citizens of Poland !
to start violent towards them
that was the times - political movements were violent to each other (Jewish workers beat to dead Polish student !)
what are you fishing for ? Ask away !
I will answer honestly
history is not a chain of glorious events only :)
well, and you concentrate on no glorious event - how glorious of you, not!
If you was really curious you would ask about Jews in Poland and set timetable!
Ironside
30 Jul 2010
News / Poland - the least liked German neighbour. [210]
Well, Germans are Turkish or other Asian tribes and only pretend to be European.
For example Bavaria explains Avaria where Avares fled defeated by Slaves !
Well, Germans are Turkish or other Asian tribes and only pretend to be European.
For example Bavaria explains Avaria where Avares fled defeated by Slaves !
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
dead on !
lecture :
Jews in Poland - A Documentary History, Hippocrene Books, New York 1998
It would be fair to describe it as a movement and not an outright party
dead on !
lecture :
Jews in Poland - A Documentary History, Hippocrene Books, New York 1998
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
Really ? Why would you do that? And so what?
You are slow N!
I
Is this why all the Poles I met answer in Russian (?): "Ja nie panimaju" when I talk to them in Ukrainian ;)
Really ? Why would you do that? And so what?
You are slow N!
I
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Dutchmen in Polish history ! [17]
How many of them ? I don't know!
I know only about one:
Arend Dickmann (1572–1627) - Admiral in the Polish Navy. He was a Dutchman, born in Delft under the name Arend Dijckman. From 1608 he lived in Gdansk, being an owner of a merchant ship. In 1626 he entered in the service of the Polish king Sigismund III Vasa. On 24 November 1627 he was nominated as admiral of the Polish Navy.
During the victorious Battle of Oliwa against the Swedish fleet (28 November 1627) he commanded the Polish Navy in the galleon Sankt Georg. The Poles captured the Swedish galleon Tigern and made another, Solen, to be scuttled by her crew, but Admiral Dickmann was killed onboard the Tigern, being shot by a cannonball through his legs. He received a state burial in Gdansk.
Discus :)
How many of them ? I don't know!
I know only about one:
Arend Dickmann (1572–1627) - Admiral in the Polish Navy. He was a Dutchman, born in Delft under the name Arend Dijckman. From 1608 he lived in Gdansk, being an owner of a merchant ship. In 1626 he entered in the service of the Polish king Sigismund III Vasa. On 24 November 1627 he was nominated as admiral of the Polish Navy.
During the victorious Battle of Oliwa against the Swedish fleet (28 November 1627) he commanded the Polish Navy in the galleon Sankt Georg. The Poles captured the Swedish galleon Tigern and made another, Solen, to be scuttled by her crew, but Admiral Dickmann was killed onboard the Tigern, being shot by a cannonball through his legs. He received a state burial in Gdansk.
Discus :)
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
snuffing up people butts eh?
Aren't you an American citizen, who spend in Poland - what 16 years ?
Seems to whom ? and why ? Would you explain yourself for once instead of half a sentences?
you keep repeating that, what's your point why do you keep hanging here ?
So what Mr informed ?
just asking to see what you guys can pull out of your butts
snuffing up people butts eh?
huh?
Aren't you an American citizen, who spend in Poland - what 16 years ?
so, you are ready to give up szczecin and wroclaw? seems like the right thing to do..
Seems to whom ? and why ? Would you explain yourself for once instead of half a sentences?
there is no point to this thread.
you keep repeating that, what's your point why do you keep hanging here ?
lwow hasn't belonged to PL in a while now..
So what Mr informed ?
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
good we understand each other mefriend !
good we understand each other mefriend !
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
For sarcasm one needs a brain !
Yes ! We can agree on that !
I'm sorry my sarcasm was missed.
For sarcasm one needs a brain !
I shouldn't have even tried.
Yes ! We can agree on that !
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
So is Belarusian and Russian as descendent of Church Slavonic language, colloquial language of Kievian Rus is just a guess !
Ukrainian language was formed under heavy Polish influence.
Secondly Kievan Rus before 1569 when become part of Polish Kingdom was but empty shell, migrants from Polish kingdom give it a second life !
There were two classes in Ukraine nobles and peasants, nobles mostly locals gradually has taken Polish culture , peasants were the same except for-religion !
Because there were more orthodox clergy in the area than Catholics priests, majority of people become orthodox and consequently Rusan - then in the XIX century Ukrainian !
All this on Kievian area - about territories we are discussing is just local people folly !
Religion made them isolating themselves from Poles with a little outside help.
I say fine feel yourself whomever but either be loyal citizen of Poland or clear out!
convex
Point is that Lwow should belong to Poland!What hard to understand ?Nothing less nothing more!Simple thing but some are really slow!
Well, world-renowned encyclopedia states otherwise:
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language of Kievan Rus'.[28]
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language of Kievan Rus'.[28]
So is Belarusian and Russian as descendent of Church Slavonic language, colloquial language of Kievian Rus is just a guess !
Ukrainian language was formed under heavy Polish influence.
Secondly Kievan Rus before 1569 when become part of Polish Kingdom was but empty shell, migrants from Polish kingdom give it a second life !
There were two classes in Ukraine nobles and peasants, nobles mostly locals gradually has taken Polish culture , peasants were the same except for-religion !
Because there were more orthodox clergy in the area than Catholics priests, majority of people become orthodox and consequently Rusan - then in the XIX century Ukrainian !
All this on Kievian area - about territories we are discussing is just local people folly !
Religion made them isolating themselves from Poles with a little outside help.
I say fine feel yourself whomever but either be loyal citizen of Poland or clear out!
convex
I was having a hard time understanding the point of the thread.
Point is that Lwow should belong to Poland!What hard to understand ?Nothing less nothing more!Simple thing but some are really slow!
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
that explain what your are doing here ..
what do you care ?
[/quote]Mr American !?
He is just saying that is a right think to do - i.e. return Lwow to Poland.
Being in Australia he can hardly plan anything :)
time will tell :P
this topic is as senseless as it gets
that explain what your are doing here ..
how?
what do you care ?
topic is as senseless as it gets
[/quote]Mr American !?
you planning on marching in there and killing people
He is just saying that is a right think to do - i.e. return Lwow to Poland.
Being in Australia he can hardly plan anything :)
I hope your being sarcastic ;)
time will tell :P
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
no you are !
welcome great prophet
soon the city will crumble away - one problem less!
This discussion is so stupid.
no you are !
Lwow is now Ukrainian and it will stay that way.
welcome great prophet
rom current owners of the city is for them to spruce up the city and to try to expose polish traces and history of the city.
soon the city will crumble away - one problem less!
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
You must be slow!
Show me a country which existed for at last 10years with the name Ukraine or where nation called themselves Ukrainians, before 1991 that is!?
Do just that ! And I will forget your moronic statement regarding Poland !
really, so why call it a nation state ?for fun?
There were German states for centuries before, in fact there were dozen German states !and German Empire consisted many ethic minorities
Greeks are more complicated, I would say they were forged during long Ottoman domination, but that had long history before that, as a Romans ........
yes before 1991 - I agree !
However what is has to do with the land?
Let say you have a tenant who is living on your land, one day he discovers that he is a distant relative of previous owner from whom your grand grand father bought this land.
He then claims to be the owner based on unproven claim (very real in his mind) that he is relative, rumours that your grand-grandfather somehow tricked previous owner, and that his family consist from 10 members and yours only 7 (living with you).
What would you say eh?
The Polish people did not exist before 1919, they magically appeared out of the hidden annals of history, since they could not possibly have existed since Poland did not exist...
You must be slow!
Show me a country which existed for at last 10years with the name Ukraine or where nation called themselves Ukrainians, before 1991 that is!?
Do just that ! And I will forget your moronic statement regarding Poland !
Ethnicity has no connection to the existence of a Nation State.
really, so why call it a nation state ?for fun?
There were German and Greek people before the German Empire or the Kingdom of Greece were founded in the 19th century,
There were German states for centuries before, in fact there were dozen German states !and German Empire consisted many ethic minorities
Greeks are more complicated, I would say they were forged during long Ottoman domination, but that had long history before that, as a Romans ........
Obviously there were Ukrainians and their ancestors before the modern Ukrainian nation state was founded.
yes before 1991 - I agree !
However what is has to do with the land?
Let say you have a tenant who is living on your land, one day he discovers that he is a distant relative of previous owner from whom your grand grand father bought this land.
He then claims to be the owner based on unproven claim (very real in his mind) that he is relative, rumours that your grand-grandfather somehow tricked previous owner, and that his family consist from 10 members and yours only 7 (living with you).
What would you say eh?
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
Mistake 1 - there were no such a party like endecja - its common abbreviation.
There was however party called National Democracy!
Mistake2 - that party never come to power in Poland!
Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. So this thread sells lie !
As for the sentence state sponsored anti-Semitism is false !
Polish state have taken some measures to curb and check minorities in Poland seemed as disloyal and potentiality dangerous to the Polish state.
Those steps were taken against Ukrainians and Jews mainly!
Those steps were supported by larger part of the National Democracy - nevertheless that party didn't participated in government.
I-S ( end of part I)
I did a search on Endecja, the nationalist Polish party that came to power after the death of Pilsudski.
Mistake 1 - there were no such a party like endecja - its common abbreviation.
There was however party called National Democracy!
Mistake2 - that party never come to power in Poland!
Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. So this thread sells lie !
As for the sentence state sponsored anti-Semitism is false !
Polish state have taken some measures to curb and check minorities in Poland seemed as disloyal and potentiality dangerous to the Polish state.
Those steps were taken against Ukrainians and Jews mainly!
Those steps were supported by larger part of the National Democracy - nevertheless that party didn't participated in government.
I-S ( end of part I)
Ironside
29 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
don't **** me off !
From Przemysl to Kiev Polish and Ukrainian population were exactly mixed, in pockets alternately with prevalence Poles then Ukrainians and other way around !
Problem with Lwow and surrounding areas were similar in this respect and as Poles couldn't claim definite majority (in this specific territory)but so couldn't Ukrainians.
Secondly those lands were part of Polish Kingdom for century's( since 1347(?) ), whereas Ukrainian first state arisen in 1991.
Who was before Poles ? tell me? Definitely not Ukrainians, who's national birth-date is set on about 1848!
Sure they can claim to be ancient and whomever like Romanians claim to be Thracian and Roman at their claims. However wishful thinking and some dose of probability doesn't make it so, an there one tiny detail - lack of continuous statehood !
Claims about states before 1300 are mythical if in Europe we would recognize such claims - order would crumbled !
As for percentage of population is new toy like in Kosovo - whereas is right or wrong fairy
is silent about it !
RIP!
What is has to do with our subject?
Let Assume for a moment that Ukrainians are in some spiritual way progeny of Kievan Rus - which is not true!
What it has do to with Lwow ? It was rightful inheritance of King Kazimierz, part of the Crown ever since till the partition !
What it matters that for some time those lands were ruled by Scandinavian Vikings meaning dynasty of Ruryk - dukes In Kiev !
Before that these land were in Polish dynasty hands = on and off like borderlands in middle-ages !
Lwow, I meant the countryside.
don't **** me off !
From Przemysl to Kiev Polish and Ukrainian population were exactly mixed, in pockets alternately with prevalence Poles then Ukrainians and other way around !
Problem with Lwow and surrounding areas were similar in this respect and as Poles couldn't claim definite majority (in this specific territory)but so couldn't Ukrainians.
Secondly those lands were part of Polish Kingdom for century's( since 1347(?) ), whereas Ukrainian first state arisen in 1991.
They lived in the territory and made up a large percentage of the population, and were there before the Poles... claim established.
Who was before Poles ? tell me? Definitely not Ukrainians, who's national birth-date is set on about 1848!
Sure they can claim to be ancient and whomever like Romanians claim to be Thracian and Roman at their claims. However wishful thinking and some dose of probability doesn't make it so, an there one tiny detail - lack of continuous statehood !
Claims about states before 1300 are mythical if in Europe we would recognize such claims - order would crumbled !
As for percentage of population is new toy like in Kosovo - whereas is right or wrong fairy
is silent about it !
he Kievan Rus was a respectable state much like Poland.
RIP!
What is has to do with our subject?
Let Assume for a moment that Ukrainians are in some spiritual way progeny of Kievan Rus - which is not true!
What it has do to with Lwow ? It was rightful inheritance of King Kazimierz, part of the Crown ever since till the partition !
What it matters that for some time those lands were ruled by Scandinavian Vikings meaning dynasty of Ruryk - dukes In Kiev !
Before that these land were in Polish dynasty hands = on and off like borderlands in middle-ages !
Ironside
28 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
No you did not - you stared the thread about anti-Semitism, and although it fits general description of history- is not history of Jews in Poland -is history from specific angle.
I would like to point about that I didn't insult you in anyway as you requested but you made ironic remarks which could be read as insulting.
Shouldn't you report yourself then ?
I just did, Einstein.
No you did not - you stared the thread about anti-Semitism, and although it fits general description of history- is not history of Jews in Poland -is history from specific angle.
I would like to point about that I didn't insult you in anyway as you requested but you made ironic remarks which could be read as insulting.
Shouldn't you report yourself then ?
Ironside
28 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]
Do you imply something? Its funny as the only one claiming to be historian on PF is you.
Its the internet and maybe some real historians do not find it proper to back up their free opinion by claiming professional status.
I also noticed that your only serious interest in regards to Polish history is when it intertwine with Jewish question or some related issues.
Why don't you start treads about history of Jews in Poland?
I would like to point out to the historian that ghetto benches as you choose to call it was done by student organizations and has nothing to do with the state!
I'm sure such proficient historian like yourself wouldn't deem to notice that fact.
I gather it must be a test for posters on the very thread.
Government policy concerning University's was about limits for non-Polish students, limits which existed in Britain at the time and in USA till about 50-ties or 60-ties if I'm not mistaken - however much longer than in Poland.
I presume that you are against animal right and cruelty toward animals is for you only pretext for hidden agendas and lobby to use animal rights activist for pursuing their sinister activities, whatever it may be ?
I sorry if I'm mistaken but didn't you laugh your head off, disposing conspiracy theories (Seanus) as blunder and silliness?!
Well if you are curios something as a lecture.
Jews in Poland - A Documentary History, Hippocrene Books, New York 1998
Remarkably, with all the "historians" we have on here, this word could not be found at all, as I did a search on the entire forum.
Do you imply something? Its funny as the only one claiming to be historian on PF is you.
Its the internet and maybe some real historians do not find it proper to back up their free opinion by claiming professional status.
I also noticed that your only serious interest in regards to Polish history is when it intertwine with Jewish question or some related issues.
Why don't you start treads about history of Jews in Poland?
Ghetto benches in the Universities;
I would like to point out to the historian that ghetto benches as you choose to call it was done by student organizations and has nothing to do with the state!
I'm sure such proficient historian like yourself wouldn't deem to notice that fact.
I gather it must be a test for posters on the very thread.
Government policy concerning University's was about limits for non-Polish students, limits which existed in Britain at the time and in USA till about 50-ties or 60-ties if I'm not mistaken - however much longer than in Poland.
under the presumption of "animal rights";
I presume that you are against animal right and cruelty toward animals is for you only pretext for hidden agendas and lobby to use animal rights activist for pursuing their sinister activities, whatever it may be ?
I sorry if I'm mistaken but didn't you laugh your head off, disposing conspiracy theories (Seanus) as blunder and silliness?!
Well if you are curios something as a lecture.
Jews in Poland - A Documentary History, Hippocrene Books, New York 1998
Ironside
27 Jul 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]
But you do agree that is right thing!? right?
Right now i dont see such possibility.
But you do agree that is right thing!? right?
Ironside
27 Jul 2010
News / Poland and Kresy being reunited? [162]
you again do not read posts !!!is rude !
Its no about my land is about Poland land!
What plan you are talking about? All I'm doing is saying that it is right and justified thing to get land which was stolen from Poland by Soviets !
get it right this time - will you!?
so you have no clue how to do it, legally,
you again do not read posts !!!is rude !
Its no about my land is about Poland land!
What plan you are talking about? All I'm doing is saying that it is right and justified thing to get land which was stolen from Poland by Soviets !
get it right this time - will you!?