Life / Poland's population growth problem [44]


not true.
I know more than a few people living 3ppl/50m square. Good friends of mine live 4 ppl/60m square and they make well above the national average. Their flat is paid off and buying a new one is just too risky an investment at the moment. Another close friend lives 5ppl/65 m square with both he and his wife earning above the national average.

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]


So the questions you have to ask yourself are:
Why do Poles feel drained by "Germany" (which is a horrible way to simplify an entire society I might add) when they should be blaming failed leadership?

Why are Poles expecting opportunities will open abroad but not at home?

Surely Poles should be questioning not what is or isn't for Poles in Germany but what is for them at home.

News / Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)? [157]

This was the plan all along though, wasn't it? It seems like the Germans basically got what they wanted. Whether or not it was a good plan is another matter.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


that was too much awesome for just one post...more from JonnyM!

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


HOLY SH*T Seanus!!! What is with that irritating laugh?
It's like the same group of idiots have been doing this for more than 10 f*cking years now- I thought it was just me. I am relieved in a way.

Work / What is a good salary in Wroclaw? (coordinator position for an IT company) [27]


no. I did stay there for a few weeks off and on years ago but the reason for that is no longer there. It is one of, if not my favourite, of Polish cities.

News / What part of Poland's image do you think is the most exportable? [90]

the "i'm an alcoholic but i still get the job done" inspired t-shirts would sell well - and no I don't think they're accurate but that's what people want to believe. The t-shirts that have polish inspired humor on them are pretty good too but for all I know, they're rip offs of other ideas.

Work / What is a good salary in Wroclaw? (coordinator position for an IT company) [27]

I'll chime in here, take into account what your wife stands to make. If you pulled 6K net, that'd be ok but if she could pull in half that then you could realistically be living off her earnings and travelling/saving off yours. As long as your schedules align and you don't have to go out to eat all the time then you should be ok with >5.5 net earnings on your side and >2.5 on her side (first year of course).

Good luck.

History / Was the holocaust by Germans in Poland the worse genocide in history? [210]

Any preceding posters or future posters need read and reread Ironside's statement above.
Anything else is pointless as he has ended this thread.
round of applause to Ironside.

Food / Coffee in Poland: cheap and undrinkable / expensive and good [89]

Was it really so hard for you not to make a such an assumption?
I already wrote that I like NEITHER the people nor the coffee at starbucks. Timmy's is just really really busy and the coffee isn't enough to make up for that. Sorry if this matters to you.

Food / Coffee in Poland: cheap and undrinkable / expensive and good [89]

Ah yes, Timmy's, the blue collar answer to charbucks....i think i'll leave both of those options to their present customer bases.

Food / Coffee in Poland: cheap and undrinkable / expensive and good [89]


Well put! Burnt, funky tasting coffee. I think the first step towards their mystique was appealing to women, who will often choose style over substance and then they managed to rope in the guys who went there to "study" and dumb crap like that.

Lots of followers to be found in those joints.

Love / How many Polish men are Violent how much is domestic abuse reported. [129]


Look at the thread title


How does that relate to the thread title?


Judging by your inability to absorb the central theme of this thread I'm gonna put that in my "no surprise" bin.


My answer is yes but, in case you were heading in this direction it is not real self defence for either men nor women (although they do claim this in court of law quite more frequently) if the "attacks" are emotional. Don't get me started on that nonsense.


No, you're wrong.Look at the thread title. Look at what you were writing about. Somehow you used this as a platform to sound off against feminists. Look, I agree with you on the issue but when you launch into your tirade with only the thinnest of veils, as done on this thread, it really undermines the legitimacy of what you're so up in arms about. Post #92- funny you should have brought that up because it shows exactly when you tried to hijack this thread.

Yes, there is inequality and yes, men (particularly white) are in the sights of what really seems to be a concerted emasculation agenda but no, this thread probably is not the best place to go slagging off women and denouncing feminism as a whole- it just makes you look paranoid, small and without grace.

Love / How many Polish men are Violent how much is domestic abuse reported. [129]

True, there is a war on boys and it's infuriating. However, that does not absolve those guilty of spousal abuse (and i'm not saying that it's never okay to hit someone because it is very often very okay to hit someone but abuse is violence without just cause so anyone in the pc brigade can take note).

Zimmy- once again displays his astute command of the irrelevant for all to behold.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


Because the execution of sewer pipe cleaning is based on physical performance. The only measure of the job is whether the sewer pipe is clean or not. Representation isn't a factor, only an objective result which is measurable based on liquid flow.

The execution of being a politician is something entirely different and much more complex. Obtaining the post of political representative involves a very different vetting process.

The capacity to which either job is executed is entirely different from the other and that is why I was originally opposed to using that as any kind of argument against the question in the title- because it is a weak argument that holds no water.

That still doesn't mean I support the idea in the thread title, it just means I can spot weak criticism and that was it.


Yes.


I think you're right but a lot of pharmaceutical firms would disagree.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


so then are you telling me you don't have any current examples of the discrimination you're arguing against? *edit* sorry I forgot you are against this on private courses as well. Fair enough but you don't have any examples of this happening on publicly funded courses so I just don't see your point*

I agree that in the example you gave of your father, discrimination would be unfair and "wrong" imo but I never proposed it be allowed in such a situation, I proposed it be condoned if adopted in a truly private setting and it would only be condoned to the point the private owner could make such practices profitable (and I don't think they could for the long haul).

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Ok, I missed it, please highlight the current actual example you have where this happens on public facilities.
When you do that, I'll say that is wrong.
When I won't do that will be if a private business owner who is not being supported by public funds chooses to do that. I'll think it's probably not a good way to run a business but I wouldn't worry about it.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


well then reference a current example


That WAS the deal!!
The discrimination you referenced is out of date and that's a fact! It was wrong then and it'd be wrong now if it took place on publicly held facility.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


no. I'm saying it'd be profitable for a club to cater to both genders and in most cases it is and that's why you don't see much if any gender based customer discrimination.


jesus wept seanus, read it again- I phrased my example in the second conditional- it was hypothetical.


Well jesus christ seanus why not put that in the original scenario- that changes everything!

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


no. In one sense treatment of the individual is the issue but at the same time only with regards to rights in society- I'd argue that the right to pursue gainful employment is more important than being able to play a round of golf somewhere. You can go play a round of golf somewhere or take up another hobby if no one wants your business. If someone is refused work based on gender or ethnicity then that is a might bit more terminal. Of course then you run into the people saying affirmative action policies are so awful, because the implementation of such policies do refuse work based on gender or ethnicity. However where I counter that, is by saying that if it benefits society that such discrimination happen then it becomes warranted.

I'm pretty lucid right now if you catch my drift so apologies if that seems too trippey.


and I thought I made it clear that the only way a clubhouse owner would make such decision was if he or she saw financial gain in the matter and I can't imagine a clubhouse owner getting far ahead through discriminating against a 15-25% customer base. I just don't think it'd happen in place where the owner thought it'd be profitable to do that. Again, no one would be getting hurt in that situation except the club house owner. If a couple couldn't share a drink together there, then they'd go somewhere else.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


I'd leave that question up to the owner of said golf club. If he or she saw financial gain in it then that would be their choice, if it turned out to be unprofitable then that'd be their folly. Either way, in such a case no one is being hurt imo.


No, I'm not so sure it is. Gimme a moment or 8 to give it a chewing over.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

No.
If we are talking about gainful employment then the best candidate ought to be selected based on the aggregate benefit to the employer and society overall.

If we are talking about a group of men or women who want to create a club that caters to only one gender then that should be their choice. I agree the two issues are similar but they are also very different.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


I dunno man, if a group of men or women feel so inclined, they should legally be free to have a clubhouse in which membership is gender based. There will be other places which will cater to the ladies, it's unfair to force everyone to cater to everyone.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Bravo, Seanus. Bravo!
and that is coming from a person who opposes how affirmative action has manifested itself but still sees how it can better be used.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


No, you haven't- the binary processing you need to grasp the ramifications of what I've written just isn't there in your case or you're guilty of intellectual dishonesty. You have not provided one iota of reason to back up any of your grievances with what I've said; rather just a few quotes taken out of context and an attempt to cling to them like a seal hugging an ice flow, surrounded by orcas. Logic is an orca for you and you are a seal.

I feel bad for you in that you get angry when it has become clear to you that you are outclassed. You use discrimination every day to live your life and you're not even capable of understanding that.

I'm sure there's a conversation about video games or smart phones that you're better equipped to comment on.

I think I'm done with you now. Bye.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

P3
^While I don't support the notion of mandating who can and can't run for government in the current democratic system, the argument you've presented is a red herring. There is no logic for it in this context, it just doesn't hold up. If you need that explained for you then check out the last few pages in this thread and if you don't get it then get back to me.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


No, it's just I can't make it any simpler for you and you seem to be struggling with that, so anything more nuanced than a "hell yeah" or a "hell no" is proving hard for you to process.

Let's recap for you:


That is not tacit support to the proposal of the thread title "Is parity the answer for Polish women?" It is only recognition that affirmative action, when implemented honestly and in select situations actually makes a lot of sense.

I have stated numerous times I am against the idea of mandated representation. Is that something you
a) don't understand
or
b) haven't read?
or
c) are choosing to ignore?

Do I support the use of affirmative action in some instances? I gave a clear example of a situation in which it would be irresponsible not to be discriminatory in a hiring situation. Did you

a) not read that
or
b) fail to understand it?
or
c) choose to ignore it?

Your problem is that you're trying to turn this into an all or nothing issue, in that this practice must exist in every facet of industry or in none. Most people can't see there is an overall benefit to society if this is done properly but because it isn't being used properly in society they are completely against it- you seem to be in that group.

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What is this "one form of discrimination you speak of?

After you get back to me on that then mull this over:
Every choice you make is based on discrimination. Every employee you hire, every time you choose between pump 1,2 or 3; every time you choose which sales person to approach; who to talk to in a bar, etc, ALL OF IT is based off discrimination.

So while you seem to be "against" any form of discrimination, you use it every day to live your life to the best of your ability.

Tell me if you have processed that and
a) agree
b) disagree
c) don't understand

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


No not really. I am not advocating that system. How you have arrived at that conclusion is an indication of your inability to process the written word in English. Good luck with that.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Me: Foreigner4: What would be inherently wrong then with a political system of representation in which there is an accurate ratio of representation based on population?


So if through the process of discussion people actually chose such a system be mandated then what the hell is your problem. People talk about the pros and cons of an idea and your up in arms, yet at the same time you defend people's choice to that end. You're whining and sniveling about the prospect of people discussing the merits of a notion.

We get it- you're intimidated by women. Now get lost.

Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]


What would be inherently wrong then with a political system of representation in which there is an accurate ratio of representation based on population?
We could argue that our current system is unjust in other ways. But limp-wristed liberals like yourself who think it's more important to have the choice of doing the right thing and understanding what doing the right thing is won't understand that. You'd probably hypothesize on the importance of choice if you saw a woman laid out in a burning building- ZIMMY the coward and a woman hater to boot.

Hipster douche bags like yourself pretend to be working class and then turn around a pretend to be socialites when it suits them. Yeah yeah the king of long-haul truck driving is living it up in his super 8 motels. Give it up you delusional twat- everyone knows you really just hate the idea of confident women so you pain them all with the same brush. Every other post you've written here has been laced with malice towards women and it shows a deep seated contempt for women. What's the matter? Mom didn't give you enough muffins last birthday? You make me sick.

regarding animals and choice:


Sorry muffin top but millions of animals make choices as regularly as you do and probably of much greater consequence. Your failure to acknowledge that only illustrates how inept you are at processing truths that are obvious to everyone else strutting above your level. My suggestion is take the stairs on your way up cause the lift will only confuse you.