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Getting a VISA to USA by a Polish person nowadays [339]
That is all a very well and logical but as you say it is built on a pure speculations! You ask me to imagine, you are taking about close minded stance and all!
Well, I can image things, I can even put myself into your shoes and see it from your point of view.
However, I self-appointed myself here on PF to represent interest of Poland! As such I'm not willing to consider speculations and imagination as a fact!
I can grand you that that you have taken into account a many circumstances. Yet, you didn't provided any hard data - no numbers of actual illegal immigrants from Poland!
Most likely such data doesn't exists and US policy is based on such estimations as you have presented above.
I think that they should reconsider!
f we were suddenly looking at 15,000-20,000 illegals per year Ironside,
Well, you are forgetting that Poland population has shrinking capacity for emigration, and even if some of them decide to become illegals in USA when they can go legally to others country's of EU, then you will find that even less people will be going to USA!
Those 20 000 hypothetical, I imagine that could happen in the first year or two after opening visa free travel!However later that current would dry out, less young people, opportunity in Europe, and most of a people which are prone to emigrate, have emigrated already !
Sure, people like to argue that Poles prefer the UK because it's cheaper to fly there and it's within the EU meaning they can work legally (a valid point) but consider the fact that if even
Most of Poles from UK would not choose emigration to USA for number of reasons:
- that kind of money they can earn as illegal immigrants they can have in UK legally whiteout these risks and indignities an illegal immigrant is likely to face !
- some are planing to go back to Poland
- they have opportunity for legal emigration to Canada, New Zealand or Australia !
Sure, there always people up for an adventure but it would be only a trickle not a flood as your predictions shows !
I understand plan for the worst but consider this : is this hypothetical danger in the long run is worth of antagonizing Poland?
It is Poland who is restricting the visa to US, because they do not return and Poland will be left empty.
Really? Poland government doesn't care as they think in the short terms of the next election !
Money send by Poles from abroad is a considerable amount, and it improves all statistical and real economical situation of the country! So, they don't give a shite if those monies are from Poles in USA, UK or the Moon, also emigrants means less unemployed and more work places - and which government would resist to take a credit for that ?
So, no sunshine is not Poland doing !
I must say that for born and breed American for a few generations, your English is positively dreadful, are you a retard or semi-illiterate ?
NOW, sure, you can read all this and still shout "speculation!" but man, whether it is or isn't, is it something that difficult to imagine? When considering all this, do you still feel just as confident taking a completely close minded stance on the topic, adamantly pushing on that Poland's exclusion from the VWP is beyond a shadow of a doubt "unjustifiable"?
That is all a very well and logical but as you say it is built on a pure speculations! You ask me to imagine, you are taking about close minded stance and all!
Well, I can image things, I can even put myself into your shoes and see it from your point of view.
However, I
self-appointed myself here on PF to represent interest of Poland! As such I'm not willing to
consider speculations and imagination as a fact!
I can grand you that that you have taken into account a many circumstances. Yet, you didn't provided any
hard data - no numbers of actual illegal immigrants from Poland!
Most likely such data
doesn't exists and US policy is based on such
estimations as you have presented above.
I think that they should reconsider!f we were suddenly looking at 15,000-20,000 illegals per year Ironside,
Well, you are forgetting that Poland population has
shrinking capacity for emigration, and even if some of them decide to become illegals in USA when they can go legally to others country's of EU, then you will find that in time, less and less people will be going to USA!
Those 20 000
hypothetical immigrants per year?
I imagine that could happen in the first year or two after opening visa free travel!However later that current would dry out, less young people, opportunity in Europe, and a fact that most of the people which are prone to emigrate, would have emigrated already !
Sure, people like to argue that Poles prefer the UK because it's cheaper to fly there and it's within the EU meaning they can work legally (a valid point) but consider the fact that if even
Most of Poles from UK would not choose emigration to USA for number of reasons:
- that kind of money they can earn as illegal immigrants they can have in UK legally whiteout these risks and indignities an illegal immigrant is likely to face !
- some are planing to go back to Poland
- they have opportunity for legal emigration to Canada, New Zealand or Australia !
Sure, there always people up for an adventure but it would be only a trickle not a flood as your predictions shows !
I understand you plan for the worst, but consider this :
is this hypothetical danger in the long run is worth of antagonizing Poland?It is Poland who is restricting the visa to US, because they do not return and Poland will be left empty.
Really? Poland's government doesn't
care as they think in the short terms of the next election !
Money send by Poles from abroad is a
considerable amount, and it improves all statistical and real economical situation of the country!
They don't give a **** if those monies are from Poles in USA, UK or the Moon, also emigrants means lower unemployed and more workplaces available - and which government would resist to take
a credit for that ?
So no,
sunshine is not Poland's doing !
I must say that your English is positively dreadful as for a native speaker.
