News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Just think: nations = regions in a USofE

Especially the federal system in Germany has alot of experiences with strong regional identities and we have learned to be all Bavarians, Brandenburger, Hesse, Swabians and what not and still preferring to live in this union called Germany.

There are of course rich power regions like Bavaria and structural weaker regions like...say....Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. In a union like the US, the UK and also Germany, the richer regions give to the weaker regions. The weaker regions are much better off because of this...that is already happening in the EU (called EU funds wandering from the net payer to the net receiver) but would even more so in a USofE.

I doubt the Mecklenburg-Vorpommeranians feel absorbed...or the Bavarians imperial!

What are you so scared of?

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Maybe...but the build-up to a real USofE will take many decades. Not all countries will be on the same level at once...

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Isn't it rather that a union makes each one of the members much stronger? Isn't it so that Scotland, Wales, Iowa, Montana or Vermont...each for his own would be a weak loser? Always the pawn of the much stronger neighbour?

Aren't these unions extremely successful? Much more successful than the not-unions? Would you call the UK or the US a dysfunctional mess?

I doubt the Bundestag would disappear, Scotland or Vermont have their own governments too... there had been just recently hotly contested elections in each of the US states if I remember correctly...the democracy fully in motion.

But one olympic team? One footie team? GOD YES!!! We would so rule!!!!! :):):)

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There is a gazillion Poles in Germany though...I quite start to feel abit polish! :)

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That for example:


ft.com/content/ad6c198a-c877-11e7-ab18-7a9fb7d6163e


Old news from 2017.....

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What is Scotland giving up to be part of the UK? Or Wales?

What is Iowa giving up to be part of the US? Or Montana....or Vermont?

United States of Europe...what do you think that would be???

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Nah...the EU isn't the Balkan. No serbian generals will attack people who want to leave Yugoslavia!

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It won't work that way!

You totally ignore that millions of Europeans are PRO closer integration. The numbers differ from country to country....those countries where a majority is against they won't be part of it, which will lead in time to two spheres of integration. A core, which will grow to a United States of Europe in time and those who settle for less.

I guess even those on the outside will have even different sets of integration with the core, some will be closer than others. And some might even decide to join at a later point. The US weren't the full 50 from the beginning either.

You should think about a time frame of a whole century, it will go slowly, over many decades....but happen it will, I'm sure of it! It's not a political vision of some far gone elites but a necessity of the global developments. Those together will be much stronger in the future world than those alone! Economically, politically and militarily.

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And it will all end again in blood and tears as before...why some people need to repeat the errors of the past is beyond me!

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I'm not sure fascist Italy or Nazi Germany had been marxist societies before...the "Reds" had been after all the main enemy, after all the minorities and weak and other "undesirables"...

It's very far fetched to conclude a kind of disappointment about it's failings from that.

It's also abit unfair....after all for the leftists "internationalism" is everything, they even had a hymn, the "Internationale" to sing it's glory. Nationalism/Fascism/Nazism is a kind of contrast program to that!

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Why don't you start with yourself?

Try to write a post without hitting me for my german nationality...you are a nationalist hater par excellence. Don't try to hide your nastiness behind patriotism (or smileys)!

Patriot = loves his country

Nationalist = hates other countries!

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....and why is that so? Because of that:


You think you are something better than all the dregs around you...that's why you want to keep to yourself...to stay "pure" (better)...not mixing up...because that would make you somewhat "less", right?

Just be honest!


= hates/feels superior to other countries and people!

Thank you! :)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


Where exactly is the difference? You said it yourself:


The hate for other people and countries stems after all from this irrational belief of one's own superiority! It's a natural consequence, it goes hand in hand.

You only want a white Europe or a "Poland for the Poles" when you belief other races and people are bad...a kind of poisoning of the pure, the good and clean ones.

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Nazis and Fascists have their grounding in nationalism, they build on that, they march side by side with torches...and you are correct, all of them hate other countries and wish them the worst. They are all the reason for conflicts and war.

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Nope! The definition and the difference is quite easy:

Patriots = Love their country and want what's best for it.

Nationalists = Hate other countries and wish them the worst.

You can easily define who is what just by listening to them! A patriot does not feel the need to downtalk other countries to make his own country look better. He doesn't see enemies to fight against everwhere etc. etc. etc....Nationalists NEED the fight/dislike/hate against other countries! Patriots rather want peace and cooperation, because that's what is the best!

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....surely only some misguided patriots....some nationalists gone abit over the top....nothing serious...


Yeah...well...I apologize...they closed the "german" thread....so I need to invade other threads...I'm a German, if I'm not invading something I'm not happy....

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The march makes now even the international headlines:


theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/09/fears-of-violence-as-polish-state-intervenes-in-nationalist-march


True or not but such reporting is not good for Polands international image...

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

Interesting....maybe even a very white, traditional, christian and cultural homogenous Poland without all them lefties ruling and masses of immigrant muslims is still no guarantee for inner peace and unity and a "happily ever after"?

*feels better now*

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

What a party!!! :)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


....and nothing beats the homecoming of a newly crowned football world champion team...you will never see a bigger, happier, flag waving crowd....I know! :)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]

...that is nice of you too!

(I still want my Germany-Thread back...I feel like an intruder in other peoples threads now...:(

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


And that is nice of you and I thank you for that, but honestly I can see them coming already after such a display of german nationalism, the many accusations and warnings of a new fourth Reich...

Even on this board I have to defend my patriotism against people trying to tell me how **** my country is and how un-popular and hated (everybody says so), and that I need "remembering" about all my country's misdeeds so that I not get to "uppity/arrogant".

And then such a march? ;)

News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet? [1530]


*imagines masses of Germans with german and other flags walking down the Streets of Berlin*

How would Poles react? Serious question here....

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


...meaning the new german chancellor should Poland just show his middle finger too?

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Na ja...googling that question I just read that Vietnam wants reparations for that US agent orange too...

atimes.com/vietnam-seeks-us-reparations-for-the-chemical-agent-orange

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

There are still conflicts and open wars raging world wide because of the border drawings by Empires and govs which have long bitten the dust....some satisfaction will only be reached when enough smart people on all sides value the peace more.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_conflicts

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Believe it or not, most Germans are proud to be Germans... ;)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Who DOES want to see to much of a German nationalist?

Just imagine all these foreign nationalists lamenting the lack of visible german nationalism...like flag waving parades...tantrums...attacks at foreign countries....unreasonable demands....when such a german nationalists came to power in Berlin...oh how they would cry..."dominating Germany" would be the least of their problems.

Hypocrits, the whole lot!

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Why do you believe that is beyond me....

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

That would be really regrettable...