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Sokrates   
30 Nov 2010
History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

But a bit of mutual cooperation in the international relations would have been of quite some value, at least, to your humble neighbors, your Majesty Sokrates.

With whom? You people couldnt and still cant sort out different factions in your country, i'd love to have a partner like chat with Ukraine but there's no one to talk to there now and there was no one to talk to there then.

Also back then there was a question of Lwów, you expected us to give away one of the oldest polish cities offering nothing in return.
Sokrates   
28 Nov 2010
History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

Well, Petliura was flexible with allowing Poland to grab western parts of Ukraine

He had nothing to allow, Poland retook its native lands and Petluga could do sh*t about it.

Ukraine was a sack full of different factions, no one to talk to, it was a weak divided state that was nothing but a pawn in the local politics (like always).
Sokrates   
27 Nov 2010
History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

And you really believe that, don't you! Ha!

I dont have to, the problem is that you're presenting the "german version" which is bloody chauvinistic and false hence Poznań and Gdańsk became Posen, Danzig and other polish built cities got converted into "german" ones in your historiography.

The map of Ptolemy showed fully developed towns in what you now call Poland already 2000 years back and every town has an environment of villages and farms as it can't exist alone.

Tabula Peutingerian never got even as far as Berlin but according to you it shows Poland???

I can understand you if you want to try to pull off your superior stuff with Ukrainians and Lithuanians or whomever else eastwards of you but you are speaking now about the mighty german people here, the center of the white, western civilization...you can't hold a candle on us regarding achievements!

We can't? We've conquered Moscow, twice you never did.

We built a university a full century before you did.

We had democracy when you still had god emperors who were often nuts:)

We had a constitution generations before you even started thinking about stuff like liberties.

We were among the precursors of tv among Manczarski

We invented holographic technology, we invented synthetic coloring of clothes, we invented a reverse polish notation that runs every calculator in the world to this day...

In the inter-war years Poland had the 6th place in the world when it came to inventions and technological innovation, great white Germany whatever had 9th.

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but we can definitely hold the candle your chaunivistic outlook notwithstanding.

Fact is what is now Poland was two barns and a sh*tpit when Germans ruled it, we built towns, cities, monasteries and schools, we made it into a country that incindentally stopped your expansion which is why we're your neighbours today unlike an arseton of other peoples you exterminated, we're here because we could equal and best you on every field, incindentally it took Russia to bring our power down not Germany.

Your point?

I know Poles like their realm of fantasy where they rule but please leave us out of it..

Ever the german chauvinist, love bursting your bubble BB:)

Btw care to elaborate about religious tolerance in medieval Germany vs the same in medieval Poland?:)

Yeah today Poland is under the horse but if history is any indicator the coin will flip sooner or later, it always did and the great mighty center of the universe Germany is going to be a sh*tpit again, for the paradise Germany was supposed to be a helluva lot of Germans came to Poland in the past 400 years :)))

They might've been hungry, opressed and fleeing their backwards strife ridden country but hey they were civilized!

Your country got wealthy due to Marshalls plan and here you are all cocky, if you want we can do a quick comparison of when Poles came up with something vs Germans:)
Sokrates   
26 Nov 2010
History / Polish president Mościcki and Hermann Göring hunting together in 1938 [76]

Maps show german "TOWNS" deep inside of what is now Poland...2000 years old...so much for empty!

Carefull with that BB, the problem with that story is that Germans never went far above villages in the area, then Poles show up and *BAM* civilisation.

Cities like Poznań or Gdańsk were built by Poles you know, before them it was a nice huge forest there.

Poland was never really inhabited by Germans, they settled here and there but it took proto-polish tribes to actually build a civilisation here, Kraków, Poznań, Gniezno, Gdańsk... all major urban projects in the region were polish in origin, Germans only started their own after 400+ years of polish development.

Also... what towns?
Sokrates   
22 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

The Russians had Warsaw in their sights, and they would have pounded it into rubble and murdered all and sundry if the king did not capitulate and surrender.

You mean the same Warsaw that was defended by a f*ckton of redoubts, 7.000 soldiers and 10.000 militia and which could not be taken by 30.000 Prussians with 90 cannons but according to you would be captured by 17.000 Russians with 50 cannons under Fersen? Warsaw had f*cking siege artillery defending it, no one was going to pound it anytime soon, learn history mate then talk rubbish.

2. Though glorious in the popular imagination, Racwawice is hardly a great victory and a minor battle in the greater scheme of things.

Jesus Christ mate you dont even know which war we're discussing do you? We're not talking about Kościuszko's insurrection but the war in the defence of the constitution.

3. If the Poles would have shown any possible sign of success (which they did not) Than the Prussians would have put greater forces into the field.

Still an uneducated troglodite aint you?

Battles at Krzemień, Markuszów,battles of Zieleńce all of them won. As for Prussians they couldnt put greater forces because at the time they were broke, 30.000 men was IT which is why they were so desperate for Russia to win, should Russia lose the war Poland was likely to end Prussia as a state.

4. Although the Poles had the numbers they did not have the equipment to fight a sustained battle against two professional armies.

Poles had 70.000 men against 90.000 Russians and 30.000 Prussians and thats not counting units raised, they had more than enough in numbers and equipment.

Russia was unable to bring more due to it being an effing huge country and Prussia couldnt bring more because it was at the time a bankrupt state, Poland had every chance of ripping it enemies a new one IF its king had the nuts for the job.

Sadly he turned traitor.

And I am not depreciating the revolution, it was quite extraordinary by European standards. I am just looking at the matter realistically.

Cameron we're not talking about Kościuszkos uprising in 1794 but about polish-russian war in 1792 in which the polish king betrayed Poland despite the war going well for the Poles.
Sokrates   
19 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

Stalemate with Russians is a loss

Actually champ stalemate with the Russians was a good thing, the next closest russian army was a full 940 miles away (four months of march) and numbered 40.000, should Russia lose the war and it could have Polan would have an army of over 50.000 with the only real opposing force being 30.000 Prussians.

Austrians refused to fight.

because they can live in stale, mate :]

Best. Joke. Ever.

Russia will be concentratred on one thing only - to destroy you.

18 century Poland was large/wealthy enough to be an equal opponent for Russia IF it managed to survive the pre-partition war.

Russia had multiple other enemies including the still powerfull Turkey so focusing on destroying Poland was out of the question, the pre-partition invasion was the only real shot Russia had at conquering Poland, sadly for us it managed to pull it off.

1648 was the year when Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth started to deteriorate. It lost multiple battles against Ukrainian Cossacks instead of working together for the benefit of both. I would, thus, name the least intelligent in international affairs Polish king - Jan II Vasa.

Again the answer was to send the entire crown and magnate armies and just exterminate the Cossacks, Vasa failed to do that so we agree.

It was retarded policy of Poland that put a nail in her back, not a powerless king who could do nothing against szlachta. Poland did everything possible to undermine its relations with allies in Ukraine and Lithuania and it was simply a matter of time when it would fall.

Ukraine was a non factor, it was always a weak divided place and still is, Poland could gain little from allying itself with Cossacks, it could gain a lot from wiping Ukrainians off the face of the earth tho.

The problem with Ukraine is not that its strong or dangerous, its weak but it stirs problems in/for Poland at the least convenient (for us Poles) time, i see not burning Ukraine down together with its people locked in barns as a mistake of various polish kings.
Sokrates   
19 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

Yes I expected that from you, but what was he suppose to do,

I know what you were supposed to do, learn history before you spout bull.

continue resisting and watch his country be raped and pillaged and observe his countrymen being slaughtered by the Russians and Prussians?

Prussians did not fight, their only attempt at besieging Warsaw turned into humiliation, the war with Russia was an effective stalemate, Poland was not losing.

It would have been futile, and that is why he decided to spare his country.

Thats the problem with you idiots, he was a coward and you dont know history.

Not only was the far not futile it was going much better than expected, Russians were in a very problematic situation from the start and there was no strategic excuse to do what he did.

Poland had every chance of winning that war, it was the kings desertion that made it a lost cause.
Sokrates   
18 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

Any proof to that Sokrates?

Yes but you can use google for all i care.

I wish my co-ancestors had more IQ so that they wouldn't do such moronic stunts

I wish my ancestors enacted genocide upon Ukis and settled the place with someone civilized, like Poles, maybe then we wouldnt have those peasants mucking up our ancient cities like Lwów.
Sokrates   
18 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

Nathan care to elaborate on why Kiev has only 37 internet cafes as compared to Warsaws 418? :]
My city of Wrocław has an anual GDP the size of Kiev and Lwów combined :))))

F*cking cavemen...
Sokrates   
18 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

forceful deportation of around 250,000 Ukrainians living in what is now Eastern Poland

I for one think they should all be executed to show Ukrainians it doesnt pay to murder polish women and children.
Sokrates   
18 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

he was supremely qualified for the job,

He betrayed Poland, lost faith in victory and abandoned his own army for the camp of the enemy, only an idiot would name him as a good king.
Sokrates   
17 Nov 2010
History / The Greatest King of Poland? [117]

he was an exellent military mastermind ...

We had an arseton of military geniuses,he was one of the best but definitely not The best, he lacked administrative and political qualities.

I'd go with Chrobry or Casimir, Chrobry challenged the Holy Roman Empire which was considered a suicide at the time and won, he was an absolute genius in every field, diplomacy, politics and military.
Sokrates   
14 Nov 2010
History / Nice video of De Gaulle addressing Poles [10]

wasn't he a General during that time, surly he could have given some military advice/pressure

He tried, he was one of the few advocates of the actual pre-emptive strike and mobile warfare but the french nation and its leaders at the time were

composed of cowards/idiots so his words fell on deaf ears.

He was a colonel who wasn't exactly held in high regard.

He was outright hated for his (reasonable and politically sound) views by a complacent and cowardly french high command.

CDG spent a good long while in Poland. It's a shame that he didn't do more to help Poland after the war (as one of the victors).

While France in 1939 outright betrayed Poland post war there wasnt much it could do, US treated the french with contempt and they could do as much as US allowed them to, by that time both UK and France became second rate powers in the US/USSR struggle.
Sokrates   
9 Nov 2010
News / Designer drugs kill 18 in Poland [32]

The region of central and Eastern Europe has among the highest levels of alcohol consumption in the world [7]

Check it again, Czechs and Poles cut on booze as compared to even the French.
Sokrates   
23 Sep 2010
History / Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage... [389]

Poland gained control over Lviv and adjacent region in 1349.
which makes 6 centuries.

To be specific Poles controlled Lwów and its surroundings from 1349 to 1945, they were a majority (70%+ of population) since 1390 that makes Lwów polish for a grand total of 596 years and ukrainian for 65 years (its founder was ruthenian not ukrainian).
Sokrates   
6 Sep 2010
Po polsku / Trzymajcie się ciepło! :) [25]

Haha, Sokratesa już nie ma! xDDDDDD lol

Sokrates jest jak twoja choroba weneryczna, nie odejdzie :-)

prostu zniknąl - ale chyba szybko wroci :-(

:))))))))))))))
Sokrates   
4 Sep 2010
History / Today is the 1st of September (WWII start in Poland) [138]

Their airforce and navy wouldn't had stopped them from being blockaded into surrender...

They did historically.

Destruction wasn't necessary...isolation would had done the trick!

It didnt do the trick though.

Hmmm.....not wanting to go into another p*issing match but the war with Poland was over after 4 weeks in 1939 and there wasn't that much happening till the France war.

Occupation wise i meant, 200.000 police force is a lot and thats not counting some 30.000 Italians.

The point is however that untill 42-43 Germany didnt really expand much resources on occupation, even Poland was small fry for an alliance that fielded over 4 milion soldiers.

I doubt that GB would had been able to kill 80 percent of our best forces...

In land battle GB would be taken in something like six days, thats about the time it takes to drive across the island but we're talking sea and air war here.
Sokrates   
4 Sep 2010
History / Today is the 1st of September (WWII start in Poland) [138]

So, the only ones fighting actually had been the Poles...everybody else just rolled over?

Untill Russia was invaded and Yugoslavia got its act together yeah and since its 1940-41 than the only people resisting are the Poles.

Compare Hitler/Dunkirk and Hitler/Stalingrad....his heart just wasn't innit.

You missed the point, destroying the Brits wouldnt change much, they still had the navy and airforce and thats what mattered.

There just wasn't the "I want it at all costs and if you all have to croak for it!" spirit!

It still wouldnt be enough to bend Britain over, he wanted Stalingrad like that and look how it ended.
Sokrates   
4 Sep 2010
History / Should HMG compensate Poland and/or Polish veterans? [90]

What evidence?

There were detailed plans on what happens to Poles/Russians etc.

Approximately half a milion to a milion polish youths would be germanised, the remainder of the people would be gassed and 100.000 Poles resettled to Siberia.

Russians and Ruthenians considered more docile than Poles would be reduced in number (population of largest cities was supposed to be gassed) and the smaller towns and villages would be turned into serfs for their german masters.

Overall the plan predicted gassing over 100 milion people so i dare say that Germany of WWII era was a barbaric nation run by psychopaths and polish politicians were very reasonable in not talking to it, you do not give a gun to a murderer who's knocking at your door.