pawian
16 Jun 2011
Life / Is Eletronic Music in Poland popular? [5]
Yes, I love it. Listen to some:
I Wanna Know if people there like electronic music made in Poland
Yes, I love it. Listen to some:
pawian
16 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
Most probably, but we can`t be sure about it.
There was a great purge before the war. About 100.000 Poles in the USSR were murdered by NKVD.
The Genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union often referred to as, the Polish operation of the NKVD,[1][2][3] was a coordinated action of the Soviet NKVD and the Communist Party in 1937-1938 against the entire Polish minority living in the Soviet Union, representing only 0.4 percent of Soviet citizens. It was the largest ethnic shooting and deportation action during the Great Terror,[4] done according to the NKVD Order № 00485 entitled "On the liquidation of the Polish diversionist and espionage groups and POW units."[5]
The agents of the Soviet state-police gathered Polish-sounding names from local telephone books in order to speed up the process. In Leningrad alone, almost 7,000 citizens were rounded up. A vast majority of them were executed within 10 days of arrest.[6] In the next fourteen months 143,810 people of Polish background were captured, of whom 139,885 were sentenced by extrajudical organs, and 111,091 murdered (nearly 80% of all victims).[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_operation_of_the_NKVD
Well, that is nothing unusual. Bigger fish eat smaller fish. Poles tried to do the same to Russians (Times of Trouble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605%E2%80%9318) but the latter turned out to be not only more numerous but, primarily, more persevering, that is why it was Russia which prevailed over Poland in the end. If Poles were as relentless as Chechens, Russians would have never been able to set their foot on Polish ground, and even if they had, they would have remained on that soil, dead. All of them.
All in all, it was a fair fight and Poles lost due to their own faults and mistakes.
Wow, thanks for info.
Sorry. American born Pole isn`t the same as Poland born Pole. Isn`t it obvious?
Not strange, just alien. :):):):)
It was an unjustified revenge. Russian propaganda accused Poles of massacring Russian soldiers during the beginning of Kosciuszko Rising:
In the 19th century the Uprising of 1794 was presented in a bad light in Imperial Russian historiography, as the fights in Warsaw were referred to as a "massacre" of unarmed Russian soldiers by the Warsaw's mob.[25] Russian historian Platon Zhukovich marked his relation of the events with many horrific, yet counter-factual descriptions of unarmed Russian soldiers being slaughtered in an Orthodox church during the Eucharist, even though there was no Orthodox church in Warsaw at that time,[26] the participation of Kiliński's militia was seriously overrated and no other source confirms the thesis that the Russian garrison was unarmed. The defeat in this battle is sometimes seen as one of the reasons for the massacre of Praga, in which the Russian forces murdered between 10,000 and 20,000 civilians[27] of Warsaw upon their reconquest of the city later that year.[28]
Well, yes but without Stalin the war would not had started.
Most probably, but we can`t be sure about it.
but Poles living in the Soviet Union - 600 000 of them.
There was a great purge before the war. About 100.000 Poles in the USSR were murdered by NKVD.
The Genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union often referred to as, the Polish operation of the NKVD,[1][2][3] was a coordinated action of the Soviet NKVD and the Communist Party in 1937-1938 against the entire Polish minority living in the Soviet Union, representing only 0.4 percent of Soviet citizens. It was the largest ethnic shooting and deportation action during the Great Terror,[4] done according to the NKVD Order № 00485 entitled "On the liquidation of the Polish diversionist and espionage groups and POW units."[5]
The agents of the Soviet state-police gathered Polish-sounding names from local telephone books in order to speed up the process. In Leningrad alone, almost 7,000 citizens were rounded up. A vast majority of them were executed within 10 days of arrest.[6] In the next fourteen months 143,810 people of Polish background were captured, of whom 139,885 were sentenced by extrajudical organs, and 111,091 murdered (nearly 80% of all victims).[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_operation_of_the_NKVD
Roughly 300 years of repression, destruction of not only of their nationhood but also their cultural achievements (if they had any)
Well, that is nothing unusual. Bigger fish eat smaller fish. Poles tried to do the same to Russians (Times of Trouble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605%E2%80%9318) but the latter turned out to be not only more numerous but, primarily, more persevering, that is why it was Russia which prevailed over Poland in the end. If Poles were as relentless as Chechens, Russians would have never been able to set their foot on Polish ground, and even if they had, they would have remained on that soil, dead. All of them.
All in all, it was a fair fight and Poles lost due to their own faults and mistakes.
Ciolkowski is the one who came up with all the foundations of the Soviet space mission.
Wow, thanks for info.
They may have been American, and not Polish, citizens but their surnames (except for the 2nd from the left's) sure look Polish.
Sorry. American born Pole isn`t the same as Poland born Pole. Isn`t it obvious?
Germans are strange people.
Not strange, just alien. :):):):)
In 1794 they didn't wait but murdered in cold blood some 20 000 Polish civilians in the Praga district, before completing the destruction of Polish state.
It was an unjustified revenge. Russian propaganda accused Poles of massacring Russian soldiers during the beginning of Kosciuszko Rising:
In the 19th century the Uprising of 1794 was presented in a bad light in Imperial Russian historiography, as the fights in Warsaw were referred to as a "massacre" of unarmed Russian soldiers by the Warsaw's mob.[25] Russian historian Platon Zhukovich marked his relation of the events with many horrific, yet counter-factual descriptions of unarmed Russian soldiers being slaughtered in an Orthodox church during the Eucharist, even though there was no Orthodox church in Warsaw at that time,[26] the participation of Kiliński's militia was seriously overrated and no other source confirms the thesis that the Russian garrison was unarmed. The defeat in this battle is sometimes seen as one of the reasons for the massacre of Praga, in which the Russian forces murdered between 10,000 and 20,000 civilians[27] of Warsaw upon their reconquest of the city later that year.[28]
pawian
15 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Yes, but the elections are in October, not today. Unfortunately. :(:(:(
That poll is a disaster for PiS -
Yes, but the elections are in October, not today. Unfortunately. :(:(:(
pawian
15 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
The newest poll. Can we keep it up till October?
The newest poll. Can we keep it up till October?
pawian
14 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
They meant volcanic erection, of course, just like mine. Students, of course.
'it's almost erection time' ;) ;)
They meant volcanic erection, of course, just like mine. Students, of course.
pawian
14 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
In the Polish context, the same as giving sand to poor Arabs.
In the Polish context, the same as giving sand to poor Arabs.
pawian
14 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Nobody knows how long Polish teachers will keep their priviliges. The government is planning to introduce major changes after elections. The rumours about new limited curriculums and less work for teachers are not too optimistic. :(:(:( The current Education Minister is accused of being the worst in history, for destroying Polish education. I suppose mass strikes will take place sooner or later. I am wondering what I will do then.
However, comparin UK and Polish teacher salaries.....
tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/teaching-salary-scales.aspx
Main pay scale
England and Wales Inner London Outer London London fringes
Max £31,552 £36,387 £35,116 £32,588
Min £21,588 £27,000 £25,117 £22,626
Nobody knows how long Polish teachers will keep their priviliges. The government is planning to introduce major changes after elections. The rumours about new limited curriculums and less work for teachers are not too optimistic. :(:(:( The current Education Minister is accused of being the worst in history, for destroying Polish education. I suppose mass strikes will take place sooner or later. I am wondering what I will do then.
However, comparin UK and Polish teacher salaries.....
tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/salary/teaching-salary-scales.aspx
Main pay scale
England and Wales Inner London Outer London London fringes
Max £31,552 £36,387 £35,116 £32,588
Min £21,588 £27,000 £25,117 £22,626
pawian
14 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Ooops. The question is quick but the answer isn`t. You are a demanding interlocutor. :):):)
Basic means crude salary of a full-time teacher. Minimal, so to say.
Average means crude salary plus extras, or bonuses like: motivation wage, conditions of work, years of service/seniority, overtime and replacement lessons, prizes, functional allowance etc.
Pawian, can you answer me a quick question?
I see that teachers have both "basic" and "average" salaries listed. What's this "average" salary made up of?
I see that teachers have both "basic" and "average" salaries listed. What's this "average" salary made up of?
Ooops. The question is quick but the answer isn`t. You are a demanding interlocutor. :):):)
Basic means crude salary of a full-time teacher. Minimal, so to say.
Average means crude salary plus extras, or bonuses like: motivation wage, conditions of work, years of service/seniority, overtime and replacement lessons, prizes, functional allowance etc.
pawian
14 Jun 2011
pawian
14 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
Sean, Legend and Robert, I was talking about the period 1945 and later. The Soviets tried to win Poles` approval for the new system that was being prepared for Poland, so they avoided blatant massacres they had been doing before, in Katyn and elsewhere.
In 1945 and later, Soviets exterminated those who were openly against communism, mainly AK patriots.
Were speaking of WWII arent we? Yes the Russians did 'exterminate' Polish elite.
Were speaking of WWII arent we? Yes the Russians did 'exterminate' Polish elite.
All those in Katyń opposed communism? How do you know?
False, their goals were pretty much similar from the very beginning
Sean, Legend and Robert, I was talking about the period 1945 and later. The Soviets tried to win Poles` approval for the new system that was being prepared for Poland, so they avoided blatant massacres they had been doing before, in Katyn and elsewhere.
pawian
14 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
When? In 1945? I know nothing about it. Please, elaborate.
What about the soviets encouraging the local peasents to murder the Szlachta because they were to blame for evevrything bad that ever happend?
When? In 1945? I know nothing about it. Please, elaborate.
pawian
14 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
Not exactly.
Germans planned to exterminate all Polish elite members, all and sundry.
In 1945 and later, Soviets exterminated those who were openly against communism, mainly AK patriots.
The Russians also exterminated Polish elite.
The Russians also took over Poland.
The Russians also took over Poland.
Not exactly.
Germans planned to exterminate all Polish elite members, all and sundry.
In 1945 and later, Soviets exterminated those who were openly against communism, mainly AK patriots.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Except for teachers - they are getting pay rises this and next year.
I will not bite the hand that feeds me, Ok? :):):)
Pawian, not at all. I'm just surprised you can vote for a party that is pricing out many of its people.
Except for teachers - they are getting pay rises this and next year.
I will not bite the hand that feeds me, Ok? :):):)
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Major papers and magazines are against PiS and critical about PO.
It is a positive reaction of yours. :):):)
PiS, when in power, went to a diplomatic war with Russia and what were the results? Deplorable.
You are genuinely or ironically stating the newspapers here do not lie or spin in favour of one party over the other? Seriously? :o) In the UK, much of the Press has party bias, that is well-known, and I would not put it past any UK papers to tell porkies (porky pies, slang for lies) to favour who they back.
Major papers and magazines are against PiS and critical about PO.
What's the truth? I don't know, obviously. I just smile and shrug when they say that.
It is a positive reaction of yours. :):):)
PiS, when in power, went to a diplomatic war with Russia and what were the results? Deplorable.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
This man is worth our rememberance:
The latter ordered Ukrainians to execute the partisan, and they stabbed him with bayonettes.
This man is worth our rememberance:
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
I realise it and am ready.
Press is free in Poland, don`t forget it. We are not Belarus.
Exactly. The beastie boys (no capital letters on purpose) .
My prediction is that we're going to see some very epic strikes taking place in 2012/2013.
I realise it and am ready.
but when I asked some other Polish people here in Poland they said there was a smear campaign against PiS in the press.
Press is free in Poland, don`t forget it. We are not Belarus.
They were rather diabolical when in power, and have been awful in opposition.
Exactly. The beastie boys (no capital letters on purpose) .
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Hmm, I didn`t read that thread at all. My spare time is limited. :):):)
Have you just fallen out with your wife or what? :):):)
Ah, layoffs, how did that word mysteriously appear? I mentioned it in the debt thread by milky earlier.
Hmm, I didn`t read that thread at all. My spare time is limited. :):):)
I see you are a fan of rising prices, bankrupting Poland for Jewish compensation, giving land to rich Arabs, rising unemployment and a host of other crippling measures, pawian. Well done, the Poles have really spoken this time ;) ;)
Have you just fallen out with your wife or what? :):):)
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
I like your attitude. :):):)
That is the way to go:
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Poland, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our country, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,
I'm not a fan of PO but I'll vote for them to keep PiS out. I suspect - no - I know that many people do and will do the same.
I like your attitude. :):):)
That is the way to go:
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Poland, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our country, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,
pawian
13 Jun 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Russians? [193]
Yes, it is true. But you can`t deny the fact that Russians liberated us from Nazis in 1944-45. For Poles that meant another occupation. Yet, Poland was reborn in 1945 (though under the Soviet rule) while Nazis had planned a gradual enslavement and destruction of the Polish nation.
When the German army invaded Poland in September 1939, the Nazis were determinated to transform Poland into a huge reserve of slave labor ready to be used by the German war industry. In order to reach this goal, the Nazis adopted a policy immediately.
Definitely, we own them a good kicking and a century or two of occupation.
Yes, it is true. But you can`t deny the fact that Russians liberated us from Nazis in 1944-45. For Poles that meant another occupation. Yet, Poland was reborn in 1945 (though under the Soviet rule) while Nazis had planned a gradual enslavement and destruction of the Polish nation.
When the German army invaded Poland in September 1939, the Nazis were determinated to transform Poland into a huge reserve of slave labor ready to be used by the German war industry. In order to reach this goal, the Nazis adopted a policy immediately.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]
Despite rising prices, unemployment, lay-offs, problems with making ends meet, the ruling party, PO, is still ahead of others. Excellent result. I hope they will keep it till election time.
Despite rising prices, unemployment, lay-offs, problems with making ends meet, the ruling party, PO, is still ahead of others. Excellent result. I hope they will keep it till election time.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]
Yes, I am for lifting the privilige for Poles who stay abroad longer than 1 year.
You are talking like some communist dictator, e.g., Gomułka. :):):) Kto za tym stoi? Who is behind that? :):):):):):)
Either you are against right to vote for polish citizens living abroad or not.
Yes, I am for lifting the privilige for Poles who stay abroad longer than 1 year.
Such reasons make your claim seems to be politically motivated.
You are talking like some communist dictator, e.g., Gomułka. :):):) Kto za tym stoi? Who is behind that? :):):):):):)
pawian
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]
Nope. the matter of voting perfectly suits your thread.
It is just point 7 addition to your list:
7. Take part in Polish elections and vote for the most harmful and corrupted guys.
Friends, let us avoid talking on the voting. As I understand, that matter has been already discussed to death, and it is not the essence of the original post.
Nope. the matter of voting perfectly suits your thread.
It is just point 7 addition to your list:
B. People who believe they were blessed by God by their immigration to US/Canada and who:
6. Are the smartest and most successful people in the world, while Poland's Poles are dumb jackasses.
6. Are the smartest and most successful people in the world, while Poland's Poles are dumb jackasses.
7. Take part in Polish elections and vote for the most harmful and corrupted guys.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-Americans as seen in the false mirror. Type A and Type B. [141]
I agree. It is a scandal that Poles who left the country 20 years ago have retained the right to vote. If they want to plant some morons for presidents in Poland, they must come back and live under their chosen ones` rule.
lol the fact that 80% of US Polonia voted Kaczynski is just scary, they shouldn't be allowed to vote!
I agree. It is a scandal that Poles who left the country 20 years ago have retained the right to vote. If they want to plant some morons for presidents in Poland, they must come back and live under their chosen ones` rule.
pawian
13 Jun 2011
Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]
Nope. :):):)
Yes.
Where was I?
In a sewer?
Polish outdoor toilet...?
The shrine in Puławy?
Nope. :):):)
bunker
Yes.
Where was I?
pawian
13 Jun 2011
pawian
12 Jun 2011
pawian
12 Jun 2011
History / Symbols & Signs in Polish History, Culture & Life [89]
The Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw:
See the gadgets on the right
Yes!
Storks must be white to be a symbol
When black, they are not a symbol anymore. They are black sheep:
What is this, then!!?? What palace?
The Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw:
See the gadgets on the right
Which one is Poland's symbol: White stork or white eagle?? Both??
Yes!
AND they must be white?
Storks must be white to be a symbol
When black, they are not a symbol anymore. They are black sheep:
pawian
12 Jun 2011
Life / How many Jewish people live in Poland? [145]
There are good Jews as well as bad ones. The same with Poles. The same in other countries.
There are good Jews as well as bad ones. The same with Poles. The same in other countries.
pawian
12 Jun 2011
pawian
12 Jun 2011
Life / Theft of a Golden Mug in Poland [24]
Exactly.
Here are a few photos from an old manual on teaching respect in the countryside:
In many ways , villages in Poland are a bit like the wild west....
Exactly.
Here are a few photos from an old manual on teaching respect in the countryside: